posted on January 3, 2004 08:30:58 AM new
....maybe he should look in his own mirror.
Calling his own party leaders:
Cockroaches?
Prostitutes?
Saying the DLC is the Republican wing of the Democratic party?
Insulting McAuliffe AND clinton?
posted on January 3, 2004 08:46:23 AM new
We'll be seeing lots of articles like this. Here's a new poll. I'd say with a 4% margin of error and 3 % undecided, that puts it about neck and neck. The right has every reason to want the public to think the Democratic party is falling apart. It isn't.
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
posted on January 3, 2004 12:29:14 PM new
Here's another statement from an ENRON adviser the dems appear to approve of.
Best of the Web Today - January 2, 2004
By JAMES TARANTO
Shut Up, the Former Enron Adviser Explained
The election year has dawned, and former Enron adviser Paul Krugman, tribune of the Angry Left, has a message for Democrats who don't share his madness: Shut up already!
Krugman likens almost all the Democratic presidential candidates to Ralph Nader:
"The Democratic Party has its own internal spoilers: candidates lagging far behind in the race for the nomination who seem more interested in tearing down Howard Dean than in defeating George Bush". . . .
"Some of Mr. Dean's rivals have launched vitriolic attacks that might as well have been scripted by Karl Rove."
"And I don't buy the excuse that it's all about ensuring that the party chooses an electable candidate". . . .
"Let me suggest a couple of ground rules. First, while it's O.K. for a candidate to say he's more electable than his rival, someone who really cares about ousting Mr. Bush shouldn't pre-emptively surrender the cause by claiming that his rival has no chance. Yet Mr. Lieberman and Mr. Kerry have done just that. To be fair, Mr. Dean's warning that his ardent supporters might not vote for a "conventional Washington politician" was a bit close to the line, but it appeared to be a careless rather than a vindictive remark."
[ MY NOTE: Excuse Dean from his name calling, but consider Dean's statements "careless, rath than vindictive"......LOL right.]
"More important, a Democrat shouldn't say anything that could be construed as a statement that Mr. Bush is preferable to his rival. Yet after Mr. Dean declared that Saddam's capture hadn't made us safer--a statement that seems more justified with each passing day--Mr. Lieberman and, to a lesser extent, Mr. Kerry launched attacks that could, and quite possibly will, be used verbatim in Bush campaign ads. (Mr. Lieberman's remark about Mr. Dean's "spider hole" was completely beyond the pale.)"
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So here's the Krugman strategy for beating President Bush: Nominate a candidate who (1) thinks Osama bin Laden may be innocent, (2) wishes Saddam Hussein were still in power, (3) wants to raise taxes through the roof, and (4) says that "dealing with race is about educating white folks." And while you're at it, divide the party by angrily attacking any Democrat who has the temerity to point out that Emperor Dean has no clothes. It sounds like a great way to build a majority coalition--for the GOP[/i].
posted on January 3, 2004 03:13:56 PM new}Not going to happen, profe. The clinton side of the Democratic side will see to that.
Linda, in the above poll for example, where are the "Clinton Democrats"? Would they already be included in Bush's 51% ? Or are they just going to SAY they're voting for Dean, when they really intend to jump ship at the last minute, along with those 174 Texans?...or are they among the 3% undecided?...Anyhow, I'm not sure what a Clinton Dem is...when it suits the right on this board at least, anyone who supports Clinton is branded a leftist. Now I'm to assume that the Clinton Dems are conservative? I don't get it.
Don't forget that Dean has galvanized a whole bunch of unlikely voters, and many first time voters, which puts an entirely different variable into the problem of who's ahead or who will win. I recently read that the vast majority of his cash contributors are under the age of 30. That, to me, considering how MUCH he's raised thru small contributions, is remarkable. I don't necessarily support Dean at this time, but I personally will vote for WHOEVER has the best shot of challenging the President's re-election, even if it's that Republican in sheep's clothing,...what's his name, you know, the guy who ran with Gore, oh yeah, Lieberman..
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The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then gets elected and proves it.
-- P. J. ORourke (Holidays in hell, 1989)
posted on January 3, 2004 05:39:50 PM new
The polls mean little to me. Who here has ever been polled? I would be interested in knowing. Just where do these numbers come from? Every one that I've seen says something different. Very scientific.
posted on January 3, 2004 07:06:00 PM new
profe - The clinton dems would be the more moderate democrats. Those more to the 'center'. You know, the one's Dean calls the "republican wing of the democratic party". lol
Cheryl's right. Polls aren't very reliable and are constantly changing. But we all seem drawn to them when they are showing what we want to believe.
I've haven't read how many 'new voters' have signed up to the democratic party because they support Dean for president. But I do know that the democratic party doesn't have enough voters to win against Bush by themselves. The Independents [approx. 18-20% of voters] will decide this election *if* all reps vote rep and all dems vote dem.
Here's a list of recent polls that show Bush compared to Dean.
And in the past few days many are saying Wesley Clark's numbers are heading up. I believe this is the person the clinton democrats would like to see win the nomination.
posted on January 3, 2004 10:54:39 PM new
Dean's base is the far left of the democratic party. It is My Guess, that none of the top six running for the democratic nomination will not receive enough delegate's to get them nominated on the 1st. 2nd. 3rd. ballots. Should that happen The Democratic Party may just draft Senator Clinton or Al Gore
I think that John Ashcroft is set to challenge Bush in the primaries. He recused himself from the Plume case because he is destined for bigger and better things...President of the United States of America!!! What a wacko wonderful opportunity for the media -- to cover the candidacy of John Ashcroft as anti-Bush. Although he won't win, he will attract a percentage of voters from Bush and those anti-Bush voters will switch to the Democratic candidate!
posted on February 2, 2004 09:57:26 AM new
"Dean can handle it." Doesn't look like he was capable of even handling his campaign finances properly , in addition to being unable to handle his anger.
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Anyway.....The Clinton side of the democratic party will see to that.
Clinton & Clinton To maintain their hold on the party, Howard Dean had to be destroyed.
BY R. EMMETT TYRRELL JR.
Sunday, February 1, 2004 12:01 a.m. EST
So, no sooner does Sen. John Kerry emerge from the New Hampshire primary as the Democrats' fragile front-runner than word gets out that Bill Clinton was flying down to Washington to plan the Democrats' return to the White House, and at this "high level" meeting Sen. Hillary Clinton would join him. What is this all about? Are the Democratic presidential contenders not capable of sorting things out on their own? Two, after all, were coaxed into the race by the Clinton's, Sen. John Edwards and Gen. Wesley Clark.
To understand the 2004 presidential campaign we must bear in mind that there are actually two campaigns going on. The first appears to be a campaign among Democrats for the party's presidential nomination. Actually, as is becoming clearer every day, it is a campaign for control of the party for years to come; and that the Clintons are waging it is increasingly apparent. The second campaign is a historic struggle between the two factions of the 1960s generation--once known as the young right and the young radicals--to claim that generation's identity once and for all. That explains the Democratic contenders' already active vituperation of President Bush, who never joined with fellow Yalies Howard Dean or Sen. Kerry in the peace demonstrations.
The most imminent of these campaigns now is the Clintons' campaign to maintain control of the Democratic Party. Last summer's noisy rise of Mr. Dean, the outsider, sent alarm through the Clinton camp. The open field after New Hampshire is more to their liking. It allowed for Bill's high-profile trip to Washington last week. His influence will grow, and the arrival of a bruised Democratic front-runner at the convention this summer will allow Senator Hillary to play a dominant role. What that role might become will be the topic of many a cable television talk show in the months ahead.
, in addition to being unable to handle his anger.