kraftdinner
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posted on April 11, 2004 11:08:12 AM new
Was the war in Iraq really about getting rid of Saddam? Maybe I'm too young, but I don't remember any other rulers being deposed in this fashion and costing the American tax payers sooo much. Can you? Is this the ONLY method the U.S. has for getting rid of bad people? If so, will the U.S. be at war with every creep that comes along or is in power now?
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fenix03
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posted on April 11, 2004 01:06:10 PM new
Well - there is always assasination.... but THAT would be illegal 
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Apr 11, 2004 01:06 PM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 11, 2004 01:06:39 PM new
Just admit you're anti-american... sheesh... you're that transparent and it is becoming sickening...
I think I seen where you said you were 48... yep most times it seems like you have the intelligence of a 10 year old.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 11, 2004 04:39:58 PM new
Are you hitting on me again Twelve?
How do you equate my asking a question about going to war as the intelligence of a 10 year old? You feeling the need to attack me when you don't know the answers to any questions I've posed is what's really transparent, but hey, nobody here expects much different from you, so it's no biggie. 
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Twelvepole
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posted on April 11, 2004 04:44:25 PM new
Sure kraft... my last post to this lame ass thread...
Your continued anti-american postings show how far gone people here are... supporting the terrorist with BS talk.
When your candians get off their cowardly asses and come to Iraq try again.
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 11, 2004 04:59:43 PM new
Twelve, there's no military available to go to Iraq even if Canada wanted to, which they don't. They are all in Afghanistan and Haiti.
I try to make my posts as plain as possible but I see you're having a difficult time with it. My question is - was there any other way the U.S. could've gotten Saddam? How's that anti-American? To me DISSENT doesn't equal DISLOYALTY - why does that seem like a difficult concept for you to grasp?
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kiara
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posted on April 11, 2004 05:26:50 PM new
No Kraft, he will never understand that concept. Twelvepole already proudly proclaimed his ignorance of the world.
Remember, there are a few here that actually believe everything their government tells them and they idolize their "leader" so much that they will never ever judge him or think him wrong. It's sad in this day and age that some like twelvepole ridicule others when they question what the government does or ask if things could have been done better.
"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think." was a quote by Adolph Hitler and that's the way it is in this world.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 11, 2004 06:48:18 PM new
You're right Kiara. It's beyond me why some people prefer to pretend stuff doesn't happen, thinking it's some higher form of patriotism and act of loyalty. Maybe Twelve hasn't heard the term "ignorance is no excuse" - a term the Jews had for the "blinded" German people.
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bunnicula
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posted on April 11, 2004 06:51:42 PM new
I think it more likely that he subscribes to "ignorance is bliss."
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 11, 2004 07:50:22 PM new
LoL Bunni! That must make Twelve one of the most blissfull men* on earth.
* I use the term loosely. 
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kiara
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posted on April 11, 2004 10:29:10 PM new
LOL @ bunni and kraft.
Twelvepole, in case you don't know, one of the hostages being held in Iraq is a Canadian.
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Reamond
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posted on April 12, 2004 11:50:34 AM new
I suppose we could change our objectives in Iraq to anything we want.
I didn't know Hussein was ever an objective.
I thought we invaded Iraq due to WMDs and terrorists.
But there were neither in Iraq.
So then war became a mission of liberating the Iraqi people and create a democracy
Then the Iraqi people refused side with us to help fight their fellow Iraqis for a democracy.
So now we are fighting a war to turn the country back over to someone on 6-30-04, Turn it over to who ? We don't know. How do we turn it over ? We don't know.
We'd be better off returning Hussein to power to put a lid on the radical Islamics taking over the country.
This war was in the wrong country, at the wrong time, and against the wrong people.
The only thing we liberated were the radical Islamists.
I think I now know why so many people claimed Saddam Hussein could not believe we were going to invade Iraq.
edited to add-- One of the problems is that Condi Rice's claim to fame was in being a Russian "expert" -- She read War and Paece in the Russian language twice !! Having her in the position she is in is like bringing a knife to a gun fight.
After 9-11, she should have replaced with someone with Middle East expertise.
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kraftdinner
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posted on April 12, 2004 12:35:00 PM new
That's true Reamond. I keep forgetting about all the justifications used in the war - getting Saddam & the nuclear WOMD (then downgraded to chemical & biological, just in case), al qaeda terrorists & training camps, etc., all done for liberation and democracy (which hasn't helped Afghanistan yet that I know of).
This turning over power thing will be nothing more than a ceremony. The U.S. will still be in charge so I'm not sure what the point will be or who they're trying to convince otherwise.
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Reamond
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posted on April 12, 2004 01:44:28 PM new
The military call what is going on in Iraq "Objective Drift", which was coined from the problems faced in Vietnam. The objective of the mission changes everytime the situation on the ground changes.
There is also another very important term - "Winning the Peace". It is more important than winning the war.
In Iraq we "won the war" but have lost the peace.
The side that wins the Peace is the side that actually wins. Apparently the Mullahs in Iraq and Iran know it, but Bush did not.
History is littered with defunct nations that won every war, but lost the peace.
[ edited by Reamond on Apr 12, 2004 01:46 PM ]
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