posted on May 7, 2004 05:07:04 AM new
It seems that more and more companies want to outsource jobs to Canada.... however those wanting to transfer along with the job are told they cannot do so because it would be taking a job from a Canadian...
This is Canada! Not some foreign language country, they do speak a common form of english... even though their employees are willing to work for half of what is paid here in the US... Canadian government sponsored slave labor?
Those being denied were more than willing to go to work there at their present salary and bring expertise and experience to the new company. One thing I do agree with, those outsourcing need to be financially punished for it.
Fortunately these employees here are eligible for unemployeement programs in the US, but it does appear the our newest job threat is no longer south of the border but north.
posted on May 7, 2004 05:38:28 AM new
Its rough when any jobs leave the US for other countries........
But just because you want to keep your job and you personally would be willing to relocate it to keep it........ should Canada be FORCED to let you move into their country??
The US should start penalizing large companies who export jobs......... too many of them still get generous tax incentives and deductions.
Not enough Americans know just how many jobs have moved already.
Blue collar America only knows about manufacturing plants closing.
They have no concept or knowledge of IT and don't know that when they call BofA about their account they are actually talking to someone in India who's had language and accent training or any of the other call centers overseas (or across the border)
posted on May 7, 2004 06:56:06 AM new
They are leaving due to the health care system in canada. Insurance in the USA is simply too high. Lower those costs and the factories will return.
posted on May 7, 2004 09:43:51 AM new
Factory jobs that leave the US are not leaaving because of healthccare costs. If the cost is too high, health care simply is not offere. They are leaving because of high labor costs, union demands etc and they are not coming back.
Most of us are sellers on ebay - if you ca n get your product for $1.00 here or $.30 somewhere else, which one would you pick? It is business, business is a dog eat dog world and these owners are having to find new ways to cut costs in order to survive and offshore manufacturing is one way to do it.
Those jobs are noot coming back. We could keep complaining about it but that is not going to accomplish anything. It's time to find a new direction for us to move in.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on May 7, 2004 10:23:27 AM new
Most of the American companies operating in Canada send a couple of their best workers up and they are highly intelligent so quickly overcome a few minor differences in spelling which others may find a major stumbling block to future success there.
posted on May 7, 2004 10:29:53 AM new
I agree the jobs are not coming back. Kids today need to learn a trade and have their own business like the old days. We always need barbers, funeral directors, car repair, etc.
posted on May 7, 2004 10:47:15 AM new
LOL kiara, well, most of us were not taught that way of spelling, at least my 1rst grade teacher, Sister Mary Margeret didn't teach us to spell color; colour
That wouldn't be a major stumbling block, but the politics and NO FOX NEWS would be
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posted on May 7, 2004 10:48:33 AM newWe always need barbers, funeral directors, car repair, etc.
Who can afford a funeral if they have no job ? Who can afford a haircut if they have no job ? Who can own or repair a car if they have no job ?
If the economy bottoms there will be no job or occupation spared.
If the working people on the bottom of the economic food chain get whacked, it is just a matter of time before those higher up get their share of misery too.
It may have taken 20 years, but it is just recently that the educated and professional class are getting there share of lost economic opportunity.
posted on May 7, 2004 10:52:47 AM new
Just wondering, was outsourcing going on when Clinton was in office? It seems like all this is happening since Bush became leader.
posted on May 7, 2004 10:59:04 AM new
There were blue collar jobs going to Mexico during Clinton's term, but it is during Bush's term that the white collar and professional level work has started to be out sourced.
This group is louder and has more political clout han the blue collar crowd.
posted on May 7, 2004 11:04:31 AM new
I remember my uncle telling many years ago that if the guy who is building the house can't afford to buy it were all in trouble.
I say this because I recently had a estimate to re-roof a house of mine, the roofing contractor who performed the estimate has only hispanics working on his crew, and most likely for $9.00 per hour or less.
Now because he employs worker's at this low rate you think the bottom line would reflect a savings, think again!
posted on May 7, 2004 11:07:06 AM new
NTS, some seem to forget that Canada is a different country than the US and shouldn't be expected to follow whatever the US does, and that includes spelling though some do adjust their auctions so it's not confusing to Americans. Canada and the UK spell many of the words the same.
Canada is preferred for outsourcing because they share the same language and time zones, they have highly skilled workers and a lower dollar.
Bush has opened the southern border so that thousands of illegal immigrants are flooding in daily from Mexico and South America. They will scoop up all the lower paying jobs and many companies will hire them at a lower wage. Shouldn't that also be a concern?
I recently posted an article here about the increasing cost of goods from China. They have taken many jobs from North America and now they are moving ahead quickly so costs are rising here. What happens when we are paying just as much for the product from China that we would be paying if it was manufactured here except that our manufacturing plants have all disappeared.
Bush is pushing for more NAFTA agreements and more outsourcing and he says it's good for the economy. If Kerry is voted in and stops some of the outsourcing it may not be so good for Canada.
posted on May 7, 2004 11:21:55 AM new
It's too bad because U.S. made goods were always well made. I wonder what the trade deficit with China is right now? Last time I checked, China owed the U.S. big time.
posted on May 7, 2004 11:23:55 AM new
Kiara, I also posted an article, awhile back, where Canadas drs were leaving Canada for jobs here in the US as drs.
The reason wasn't so much the money, the reason was the restrictions your gov't health care has. If I remember right, the gov't or whoever is in control of Canada's free for all healthcare has to give approval to drs before performing surgeries etc.
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posted on May 7, 2004 11:27:59 AM new
Krafty, I don't know if Clinton was involved in much outsourcing or not. however, he allowed a influx of illegals into Arkansas which primarily worked in the poultry industry, specifically Tyson Chicken are the benefactors. They have also moved north into southern Missouri. The cheap labor is not the only problem, they pollute the waterways, the large poultry producers that is. Tyson Chicken is being sued constantly from neighboring states for discharging into waterways.
posted on May 7, 2004 11:41:37 AM new
That seems to be a big problem here too, KC. Billions of laws but nobody to enforce them especially when big business is involved. All you hear of is them getting fined and fined because it's cheaper than figuring out an alternative solution. It stinks!
Near, just so you know, our health care system isn't FREE. We all have to pay insurance premiums that are taken off our pay slips. The only ones that get free medical care are the ones that aren't working.
posted on May 7, 2004 11:45:07 AM newIf the working people on the bottom of the economic food chain get whacked, it is just a matter of time before those higher up get their share of misery too.
I agree 100% reamond. Many republicans I talk with will say "have you ever worked for a poor man"? No I tell them, but its the poor people who buy the rich mans goods. In my opinion Walmart started the ball rolling with cheap labor and cheap imports.
posted on May 7, 2004 12:01:57 PM newSo basically Reamond, the U.S. is for sale to the cheapest bidder. Can't Bush stop this?
Stop capitalism ? I doubt it and it is not just the United States. But the government can but structural barriers in place to relieve some of the capital from seeking out ever cheaper labor.
"Adding employees is more expensive than ever, and CEOs say double-digit increases in the cost of health insurance are a major obstacle to hiring. Ed Booth, CEO of the Bloomington-based firm IDeaS, says companies like his have to pay $7,000 a year for an employee with family coverage. He says that amounts to a tax on jobs.
"If I moved my business to Canada today, I would cut my health care bills by 90 percent. Because that's not how health care is financed in Canada. So the way we finance health care is anti-job," says Booth.
Rising benefit costs create an incentive for companies to move work to lower-cost locations, like Canada, or overseas. While offshore outsourcing gets a lot of blame for the sluggish job market, outsourcing and imports are not a big reason for the jobless recovery."
Excerpt above from--
We've got a recovery -- where are the jobs?
posted on May 7, 2004 12:23:19 PM new
NTS, while some Canadian doctors have left for the US, Canada has had some terrific doctors arriving for quite a few years from South Africa which doesn't make that country too happy either.
Like Kraft recently stated, both Canada and the US share many of the same problems only Canada's are on a smaller scale.
Currently Bush is campaigning through states where job loss is a touchy issue and his luxury campaign bus has "Yes, America Can" emblazened on the side. But the fancy bus was made in Canada (as was Kerry's bus earlier this year). Some of the US news networks have made note of that in recent days.
posted on May 7, 2004 05:48:34 PM new
Here's a URL about the canadian healthcare. It is quite long so I am not going to C&P but it is an interesting article.
