posted on June 11, 2004 08:18:03 PM new
New Paltz, NY, Jun. 11 (UPI) -- A New Paltz, N.Y., judge cleared Mayor Jason West of all criminal charges filed against him for sanctioning 25 same-sex marriages in February.
Justice Jonathan D. Katz Wednesday said New York state's ban on such marriages is unconstitutional, quoting U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, who said, "We must ever be on guard lest we erect our prejudices into legal principles," The New York Times reported.
"This is the first ruling in any court in the state of New York in which any judge has ever declared the ban on same-sex marriages unconstitutional," said E. Joshua Rosenkranz, West's attorney.
West and his lawyer E. Joshua Rosenkranz called the ruling a major victory for gay rights. "If history is any guide, this is the beginning of an unstoppable trend in New York," Rosenkranz said.
Rosenkranz also said, "It is the first time that any court in this state has declared that same-sex couples have the same rights, same status, and same dignity as every other citizen."
The judge dismissed criminal charges against the mayor for marrying dozens of gay couples in February, saying the state failed to show it has a legitimate interest in banning same-sex weddings. New Paltz Court Justice Jonathan Katz also ruled that prosecutors failed to prove the law Mayor Jason West was charged with violating was constitutional.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 12, 2004 04:43:10 AM new
Now will come the appeals and/or more legislation... I believe NY is one of the states in the process of allowing that abomination...
Lawyers smiling all the way to the bank...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Gay marriage is wrong!
[ edited by Twelvepole on Jun 12, 2004 04:51 AM ]
posted on June 12, 2004 05:01:34 AM new
Okay, I originally posted this in the wrong thread. I'm awake, really I am. So here it is in the correct thread. Watch out planet, I'm on the loose. LOL!
Oh, twelve, give it a rest. We all know how homophobic you are and I don't think any of us pay any attention to your anti-gay slurs anymore.
There was a gang fight down by where I work two days ago. A gang of African American straight teens beat up a group of African American, White and Hispanic gay teens who were minding their own business. Well, this time the gay teens got the upper hand. They came back with their straight supporters and the gang of straight teens were taught a lesson I doubt they'll ever forget. Bigotry begets violence and no matter what group that violence is directed at, it's never okay. And no, twelve, the "group" I'm referring to does not include: rapists, pediphiles, thieves, murderers, etc. Just to set the record straight because I know how you like to twist words.
posted on June 12, 2004 07:00:00 AM new
Yeager, thanks for posting that article. Hoepfully now the San Francisco case will be settled soon and gay marriages will be allowed in three states. Let this serve as a wake up call to the 38 states with laws on their books that they are unconstitutional.
Score one for the gipper.....
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
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posted on June 12, 2004 10:34:48 AM newBut, Williams said he would appeal the ruling.
West remains barred from marrying same-sex couples after a temporary injunction imposed this spring by another judge was made permanent earlier this week.
Williams also said he would not withdraw charges against two Unitarian ministers.
posted on June 12, 2004 10:46:50 AM new
IMHO, the social pendulum swings one way, then the other. This issue gives impetus to the the swing, pushing it farther to the extremes. Rather than fueling the homophobes, persons with alternative sexual preferences would be better served trying to achieve this behind the scenes.
But, of course the agenda here is to be in your face, nyaaa nyaaaa nyaaa.
A good attorney knows you should not ask a question unless you know the answer. The homosexuals have asked the question, "How does same sex marriage harm society?" Perhaps the better question would be, 'How CAN raising this issue harm our agenda?'
I sincerely hope this reaches an amicable conclusion, but I think the point is to stir the pot, not achieve the alleged goal.
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You know...the best way to defeat a liberal is to let them speak.
That is sort of a outdated comment. The more modern term is sexual orientation, and not preference. Perhaps you should update your vocabulary, and thinking too. After all, this is 2004, and not 1954.
Also, nothing that any group of people wants to change stay behind the scenes for too long. That is, the abolitionist movement, womens suffrage movement, black civil rights, womens liberation movement, and gay rights movement.
Nothing stays the same forever. The five movements that I mentioned should prove that to you.
To stir the pot??? Why would anyone want to do that for a life changing issue? That makes no sense to me at all!!!
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 13, 2004 07:36:42 AM new
From personal experience....
I was married to a man who "figured out", "discovered" or whatever that he was bisexual while married to me. I did not divorce for being a homosexual. I divorced him as he was unfaithful. HE didn't think he was, as he was only with other men, not women. (I guess that would be irreconcilable differences?)
I don't care that he is homosexual. In the past 20+ years, I'VE gotten over it. He is the one who is uncomfortable at the graduations, weddings, etc. of our children.
posted on June 13, 2004 07:39:29 AM new
Twelve says,
No scientific proof what so ever there is a genetic link to homosexuality...
Well, there is evidence that there is a genetic factor involved. There is also no real proof on what causes Alzheimer's disease, however we know that it exists.
Cheryl I will give it a rest when the last homosexual dies or gets the medical help they so desperately need...
What a hateful statement. Every time you make such a statement, you reinforce the idea that you are homophobic. As the APA says, homophobes are usually people who are having trouble in identifying their own sexuality. Now, you can decide if this fits you.
Also, what kind of help would they need or get? I am quite interested in your answer.
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
You are also pretty foolish to make that statement when the last homosexual dies, when in fact new gay men and women are born every day.
I don't know why a person would even make such a statement, especially when there is NOTHING he can do about it, that is, except to continue to hate.
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 13, 2004 08:24:49 AM new
From the American Psychological Association:
Homophobia:
The term homophobia means fear, hatred, aversion to, prejudice or unjust discrimination against homosexual, or gay, people.
Psychoanalytic theory has long held that homophobia was the result of repressed homosexual desires. In a recent experiment, a group of homophobic heterosexual men showed more signs of sexual arousal from being shown images of homosexual sex than a control group of non-homophobic heterosexual men; however, anxiety in the former group may explain part of the difference . Similarly, so-called ex-gays, who claim to have "walked away from homosexuality, have often used strong language to condemn the practice (and some have later returned to it). The group most likely to manifest homophobia is adolescent males.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
Since you are a firm believer in NARTH, how are your sessions coming? Have they helped you make the "change" you are desperately needing?
Have you seen the light?
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
Isn't he really pathetic? And getting worse all the time.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 13, 2004 12:03:36 PM new
Gee, maybe he has tendencies that are known, to him and his counselor. Maybe he has full knowledge of the wrongness and in-adaptability of such urges to a clean and Godly lifestyle. Maybe he desires to keep his own problems private and out of public discussion. Maybe this gives him a clear and professionally guided insight into the havoc that allowing such urges, which he finds repugnant, would wreak upon his life and his loved ones. Or maybe he just finds it revolting that one man could look at another mans hairy ass and find love.
You know...the best way to defeat a liberal is to let them speak.
posted on June 13, 2004 12:27:50 PM new
Twelve - not to bemoan the point but there is also no scientific proof that there is a genetic link to heterosexuality either. Fact is that you know that you are heterosexual. No one had to tell you that. No one looked at you and said "Yep, he's got his dads sexual orientation". You simply knew instinctively that you were attracted to the opposite sex. Did you require genetic testing to prove to you that your instincts were correct?
Park - The homosexual community worked quietly to attempt to gain certain rights for themselves for years. You know where it got them? Very loud and public efforts to rebuke them done in hate filled speeches and exclusionary laws. Why do you think that efforts to start exclusionary marriage definition laws began... because lawmakers were bored? Homosexuals were playing the game and attempting to gain rights that were not previously give to them and their reward was these laws specifically denying them the right to ever have them. It eventually became very obvious that the way to play the game was not the "behind the scenes" route as it only made the efforts to dispel them easier to hide. Very public acts are the only recourse left.
Truth be told, 10, 15 years from now I believe that many of these laws will be voted out of existence and this will be just another embarrassing piece of our history and the growth process of our civilization on scale with the social outrage against inter-racial marriages
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on June 13, 2004 12:35:44 PM new
:: Or maybe he just finds it revolting that one man could look at another mans hairy ass and find love.::
Hey ladies... Do men think that we look at their hairy ass an find love? Do they think we look at their penis and discover love at first site? Just what is it with us that they look at that inspires their declarations of love.
If only men knew just how laughably shallow and clueless that statement makes them appear....
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
[ edited by fenix03 on Jun 13, 2004 12:36 PM ]
posted on June 13, 2004 12:48:36 PM new
Talk about pathetic, is that all you an yeager can keep coming up with is insulting me by calling me a queer?
I know it is the standard homosexual approach to silence the opositiion, to claim they to must be homosexual and are ashamed of it... well you can believe whatever you like about me... I know I am not homosexual nor have I ever been... but then again if had I started having preferences that way, yes I would of seeked out some medical help or took the pipe...
It is a disgustig life style and should not be tolerated in any shape or form...
I have known a few parents that had to disown their children for that behavior... it was sad... the children so misguided.
Fortunately this malady has skipped my family, so have never had to deal with it on that level...
I didn't call you a queer. I said that you are very homophobic. And the definition of homophobia is a hatred towards gay men and women. I pointed out that the American Physcological Associations (APA) says that psychoanalytic theory has long held that homophobia was the result of repressed homosexual desires.
Furthermore, the APA points out there is NO CURE for homosexuality in the fact it is NOT AN ILLNESS. Now, I would be more than happy to listen to your rebuttal, but first tell me what your credentials are.
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
You have more credentials than me. You are replete with hate!
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE..
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 13, 2004 09:20:07 PM new
That's becasuse I know what is wrong and what is right... The lifestyle of Homosexuality is wrong... pity those trapped by its embrace...
posted on June 14, 2004 01:54:38 AM new
What gets me is that a gay person can have the civil right to marry in one state, but not in another. And some states will make it illegal to even recognize a gay marriage. So what we might have is a segment of society, no matter how small, having certain rights in one part of the country, but not another.
My driver's license that I got in Michigan is legal in every state in the union, and in Canada too. A straight couple can marry in Ontario, Canada and come back to Michigan and the marriage is completely legal. I know people that have done it. However, if a gay couple wants to be married in Ontario (where it's legal) and come back to Michigan, it's not recognized. Sounds like a double standard to me. Exclusionary laws based on sex.
The ACLU will probably become involved in changing that.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 14, 2004 02:11:16 AM new
Facts on "reparative therapy"
Sexual orientation is not a disease. In 1973. The American Psychiatric Association removed the term "homosexuality" from the list of mental and emotional disorders. Therefore, it does not need to be cured.
"Reparative therapy" doesn't work. In 1990, the American Psychological Association stated that scientific evidence does not show that conversion therapy works and that it can do more harm than good.
"Reparative therapy" is dangerous. In 1998, the American Psychiatric Association stated it was opposed to reparative therapy, stating "psychiatric literature strongly demonstrates that treatment attempts to change sexual orientation are ineffective. However, the potential risks are great, including depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior..."
According to the American Medical Association, "most of the emotional disturbance experienced by gay men and lesbians around their sexual identity is not based on physiological causes but rather is due more to a sense of alienation in an un-accepting environment. For this reason, aversion therapy is no longer recommended for gay men and lesbians."
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
posted on June 14, 2004 06:24:19 AM new
Twelve:
It is a disgustig life style and should not be tolerated in any shape or form...
I have known a few parents that had to disown their children for that behavior... it was sad... the children so misguided.
I suppose a straight couple that abuses their children is more acceptable to you than two guys or two woman living happily together.
How many straight men would jump at the chance to have sex with two woman? Those same men would be ok with two women having sex, but then be disgusted if two guys did it.
It is sad when parents disown their children because their children is gay. These people do not have the right to be called parents. They are the ones that need counseling and help.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 14, 2004 06:30:29 AM new
How nice yeager posting "myths" by the AMA and APA...
Logansdad, those parents were good parents to their other children, who turned out just fine... can only save those who want to save themselves... that one child was fooled into believeing that lifestyle was ok... where he is to this day I do not know... but it was sad to see what the parents had to do... unlike a child doing drugs, there is no "law" that can assist them.
posted on June 14, 2004 07:01:23 AM new
Well if we can get MA to overturn their mistake in 2006, then no state at this time has legal same sex marriages.
Ontario is not Part of the US the last time I checked... what deviancy they allow there is up to them... we have been sense down here... but hey here is a thought... homosexuals can move to Canada... it is after all just an unoffical annex of the US according to our canadian posters...
I have asked you to provide me with your credentials that are greater than the APA's. As of this point, you've said that you only have an opinion on these matters. I am sure that any third party unbiased judge would recognize the studies of the APA as having a greater meaning that your opinion.
but hey here is a thought... homosexuals can move to Canada
Why would any gay man or women need to move anywhere? This is another example of your HOMOPHOBIA! Any other groups that you would like to eliminate from this country?
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
