Twelvepole
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posted on June 13, 2004 09:15:03 PM new
The Three Myths About Homosexuality
Myth #1
Homosexuality is normal and biologically determined.
The truth...
There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality. Biological factors may play a role in the predisposition to homosexuality. However, this is true of many other psychological conditions.
Research suggests that social and psychological factors are strongly influential. Examples include problems in early family relationships, sexual seduction, and sense of inadequacy with same-sex peers, with resulting disturbance in gender identity. Society can also influence a sexually questioning youth when it encourages gay self-labeling.
Myth #2
Homosexuals cannot change, and if they try, they will suffer great emotional distress and become suicidal. Therefore, treatment to change homosexuality must be stopped.
The truth...
Psychotherapists around the world who treat homosexuals report that significant numbers of their clients have experienced substantial healing. Change has come through psychological therapy, spirituality, and ex-gay support groups. Whether leading married or committed celibate lives, many report that their homosexual feelings have diminished greatly, and do not trouble them as much as they had in the past.
The keys to change are desire, persistence, and a willingness to investigate the conscious and unconscious conflicts from which the condition originated. Change comes slowly, usually over several years. Clients learn how to meet their needs for same-sex nurturance and affirmation without eroticizing the relationship. As they grow into their heterosexual potential, men and women typically experience a deeper and fuller sense of themselves as male or female.
If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.
Myth #3
We must teach our children that homosexuality is as normal and healthy as heterosexuality. Teenagers should be encouraged to celebrate their same-sex attractions.
The truth...
Scientific research supports age-old cultural norms that homosexuality is not a healthy, natural alternative to heterosexuality. Research shows that gay teens are especially vulnerable to substance abuse and early, high-risk sexual behavior. It does far more harm than good to tell a teenager that his or her attractions toward members of the same sex are normal and desirable. Teens in this position need understanding and counseling, not a push in the direction of a potentially deadly lifestyle.
A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner.
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yeager
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posted on June 13, 2004 09:18:37 PM new
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 13, 2004 09:21:34 PM new
Sorry your life is so miserable there yeager... but sometimes the truth hurts...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
Gay marriage is wrong!
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davebraun
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posted on June 13, 2004 10:00:56 PM new
The only time I give this any thought whatever is when I see your ridiculous posts on the subject. A blend of pseudo science and paranoia at best.
You must be very insecure as to your sexuality to obsess on this to the degree you do.
Myself I've been hapily married to the same woman for the past 18 years. And believe me I know which side my bread's buttered on.
Friends don't let friends vote Republican!
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Libra63
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posted on June 13, 2004 10:29:33 PM new
Well Dave I agree.
Congratulations on your 18 years. 11 years past that dreaded 7th year. You'll make it now.
[ edited by Libra63 on Jun 13, 2004 10:31 PM ]
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Bear1949
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posted on June 13, 2004 10:43:51 PM new
Dave have you told her you just came out of the closet or is it still a secret from her.
"The Secret Service has announced it is doubling its protection for John Kerry. You can understand why — with two positions on every issue, he has twice as many people mad at him." —Jay Leno
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Linda_K
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posted on June 13, 2004 11:00:30 PM new
You must be very insecure as to your sexuality to obsess on this to the degree you do.
LOL - But I don't suppose that same criteria applies to yeager who has started at least 6 threads about gay or gay issues though. No....of course not.
Re-elect President Bush!!
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Libra63
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posted on June 13, 2004 11:37:23 PM new
Dave were you talking about yeager or twelve. I thought it was yeager.
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davebraun
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posted on June 13, 2004 11:42:56 PM new
Twelve. I find that he drones on this subject as if he is haunted by it.
Myself I could care less what others do so long as they don't step on my toes. Likewise I do not attempt to inhibit others so long as they don't interfere with me.
Friends don't let friends vote Republican!
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on June 14, 2004 12:16:24 AM new
There is no scientific research indicating a biological or genetic cause for homosexuality.
I agree with that completely. If you took Richard Simmons and Rosie O'Donnel and put them on a deserted island when they were only 5 years old, I'd bet they'd be humping like rabbits by the time they were in their teens. (I know, a horrible image).
"I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it."
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on Jun 14, 2004 12:16 AM ]
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twig125silver
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posted on June 14, 2004 02:27:34 AM new
Stop!!!!....
I Can't Get That Image Out Of My Head!!!
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 02:35:56 AM new
Which one, this one? 
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 14, 2004 06:08:25 AM new
That's because of thoughts such as yours dave that this deviancy has gone on to the point where it is now...
So dave that person who molests a child is ok too? After all they are not stepping on your toes either...
The people who practice the homosexual lifestyle are the real victims here... misguided and need some assistance... there is help for them if they would only ask...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Gay marriage is wrong!
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logansdad
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:18:44 AM new
So dave that person who molests a child is ok too? After all they are not stepping on your toes either...
Twelve, you are missing the picture. The vast majority of people here do not believe crimes against children are OK. I would think most people feel people who commit crimes against children deserve whatever sort of punishment they get. Crimes against children are against the law. BEING GAY IS NOT ILLEGAL.
You can not mix the two issues.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:33:15 AM new
Twelve,
logan is right. The two issues are different issues. One is a crime, and one is a sexual orientation. The two words, pedophilia and homosexuality sound different because they are different.
This has been brought to your attention before, but for some reason you like beating the same old drum. Perhaps you think you can convince others that gays are child molesters? Would that be it?
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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logansdad
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:34:27 AM new
If some homosexuals do not wish to change, that is their choice, yet it is profoundly sad that gay-rights activists struggle against the right-to-treatment for other homosexuals who yearn for freedom from their attractions.
Tweleve, What are the statistics on the number of gays that have changed and stayed straight?
If you feel that being gay is a choice, then why do gay people continue being gay despite the majority of society condeming their behavior and what they believe in. If what you say is true, gay people would want to be straight just so they can "fit into society" and would not have to worry about being discriminated, or worry about being the victim of a hate crime. Explain why gay people are not "converting" by the masses just to fit into society?
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:41:28 AM new
logan,
Very good point. Most people like to fit in the social situation. This would be true whether is might be the world at large or something smaller, like a social get together.
We have all heard of the person that went to the gathering and who was terrible over dressed, or under dressed for the situation. And, how uncomfortable they were. That is only for a matter of a few hours. Imagine how spending your whole life like that would be.
An old saying comes to mind...
Don't tell me about it until you walk a mile in my shoes!
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:45:47 AM new
Also, twelve has NEVER answered the simple question. Did you choose your sexual orientation?
I wonder if he also chose to be right handed. Now, I don't know if he is, in the fact that I don't know him. But most people are right handed.
In the middle ages, the church thought that people that were left handed were part of the devil. Another nonsensical part of religious history.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
[ edited by yeager on Jun 14, 2004 08:46 AM ]
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:46:20 AM new
Because they like being the outcasts and playing the "victim"...
I guess we can overlook those homosexual preists... is that what you are saying yeager...
Oh and logansdad, you want statistics... there is a whole wide web for you to look on...
I am not here to provide the all the answers... what fun would that be...
Lurkers who are just reading can see that this issue is not as "simple" as homosexuals would like us to believe... look at the myths perpetuated by them...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Gay marriage is wrong!
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:52:32 AM new
Oh and yeager we are all Born STRAIGHT people choose to be homosexual...
There's your answer yeager, I will not educate you further on this... as you seem you did not know the answer... oh and there is that part of society who like being "apart" homosexuals fit this category... with less than 3% of the population choosing this deviant lifestyle...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Gay marriage is wrong!
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 08:54:12 AM new
Twelve,
Wow! Another post from the minister or propaganda.
On the Catholic priest being child molesters. I think that I have already answered that with my post on pedophilia.
There is also a whole Internet on people that despise gay men and women. Including those people that say they will be happy when the last one dies, when they all move to another country, and try to promote the idea that they are child molesters. That is called HOMOPHOBIA!
As I have pointed out here what the APA says about homophobia.
FOR SOME, LIFE IS SO MISERABLE...
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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Twelvepole
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posted on June 14, 2004 09:05:35 AM new
Yeah sure yeager... and I am still waiting for your concrete answers as to how homosexual marriages help society? You seem to avoid this everytime it is asked...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Gay marriage is wrong!
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logansdad
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posted on June 14, 2004 09:13:47 AM new
Yeah sure yeager... and I am still waiting for your concrete answers as to how homosexual marriages help society?
Twelve, why don't you take your own advice: Look on the web if seem to say you can find all the answers out there.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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logansdad
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posted on June 14, 2004 09:15:42 AM new
Oh and logansdad, you want statistics... there is a whole wide web for you to look on...
I am not here to provide the all the answers... what fun would that be...
So in other words twelve you are just avoiding answering the questions because someone made a good point and you can't face the fact you are wrong.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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NearTheSea
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posted on June 14, 2004 09:17:20 AM new
logansdad, just looking at your new sig(s) line. Need to add a couple more?
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yeager
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posted on June 14, 2004 09:37:57 AM new
Twelve,
Again, I really don't mean to be rude to you. But did you think that question though before you asked it? The reason is that, NOTHING can be proven or disproven with absolute certainty until it happens.
Example:
Can you prove to me that you won't be involved in a car accident in the next 100 miles that you drive your car. Of course not! You could only answer that AFTER you drive the 100 miles.
So there is no way to prove anything about gay marriage. Except in the fact that many gay men and women in Massachusetts are now recognized as equal citizens.
True Americans do not exclude anybody. They recognize that everyone should have the same rights. Bigotry, intolerance and hatred are cancers of the mind.
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 14, 2004 10:36:03 AM new
Twelve, what difference does it make to you if a person was born gay or they chose to be gay? How does either scenerio affect you personally or otherwise?
I used to babysit a boy down the street. I knew he was gay when he was 5. He's 23 now and is still gay (go figure). There's no doubt in my mind that this was his destiny, but my question to you would be, how does a 5 year old choose to be gay?
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logansdad
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posted on June 14, 2004 11:17:01 AM new
Twelve, you better look at your myths a little closer. Your conversion theory from gay to straight is in accurate.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/resolution97_text.html
http://hem.passagen.se/nicb/change.htm
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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replaymedia
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posted on June 14, 2004 12:52:51 PM new
"I knew he was gay when he was 5."
Bullspit. Any kind of sexual indicator would not even exist before puberty.
I assume you mean he was effeminate in the way he acted. This is NOT a guarantee that he will choose to be gay later on. It's just a learned attitude or behavior based on his environment.
I have a cousin who is 10 and I'd say the same thing about him- very girlish in behavior. But I can also say he spends a lot more time with his mother and sisters than his father, and there is a lot of influence there.
He may well turn out to be gay, but he certainly wasn't born that way. It's a chosen lifestyle, just like walking around being grumpy all the time.
It's the same old "nature vs. nurture" argument. If both my parents were fat, then I may be genetically predisposed to be fat too, but it's MY choice to eat at McDonalds twice a day or to have a salad. People need to take responsibility for their choices, not blame it on their genes.
And besides, if being effeminate was always an indicator of homosexuality, there would be no children in France, EVER. 
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We do not stop playing because we grow old. We grow old because we stop playing -- Anonymous
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kraftdinner
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posted on June 14, 2004 01:38:56 PM new
That's your opinion Replay. Homosexuality isn't about sex (same as heterosexuality isn't about sex), it's about identity, so your assumption that a person isn't capable of showing a homosexual nature at an early age because they haven't reached puberty is kind of silly.
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