posted on June 18, 2004 05:23:40 PM new
With the death of another American contractor in the Middle East, would you be willing to work there? If so how much would it take before you be willing to go over there?
I heard a news story that people are being paid in upwards of $80,000 to $100,000 a year tax free to work there.
You could pay me 5 times as much and I still would not work over there.
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posted on June 18, 2004 05:56:14 PM new
I tried. Interviewed 2 weeks ago at the KBR office in Houston. Starting rate is currently $75000 a year plus bonuses. Even with my 10 years previous experience in trucking they wouldn't take me because of my bad left leg, Can't say I didn't try.
I also wouldn't expect anyone that actively advertises June is Gay Pride Month to do anything that might place themselves in danger.
posted on June 18, 2004 08:25:02 PM newI also wouldn't expect anyone that actively advertises June is Gay Pride Month to do anything that might place themselves in danger.
Actually, just having that on a bumper sticker or t-shirt would put you in danger in some parts of the country...
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posted on June 18, 2004 08:54:03 PM new
Bear: I tried. Interviewed 2 weeks ago at the KBR office in Houston. Starting rate is currently $75000 a year plus bonuses. Even with my 10 years previous experience in trucking they wouldn't take me because of my bad left leg, Can't say I didn't try.
Here you go, trying to turn this into a gay issue. Do you think you are so butch and manly and that any heterosexual man would go over there? Anybody with half a brain would not go over there if they have a family here that means something to them.
I think it was your low IQ that prevented you from going.
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
[ edited by logansdad on Jun 18, 2004 09:16 PM ]
posted on June 18, 2004 09:27:27 PM new
Bear, I can sympathize, I had to get a waiver for my bum leg to get in the U.S. Navy in 1972. I wanted to be a radioman on a river boat, for my own reasons. The danger just increases your profitability. How much? I know a petrochemical engineer that pulls down half a mill each year for being over there. I'm not an expert, but anything under a 100 G's a year tax free is an insult. Maybe not, for a dishwasher.
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posted on June 19, 2004 03:57:19 AM new
My husbands mother and step dad are over in Khobar right now. Have been for 14 years. He actually works in Dhahran for Aramco.
When the militants raided the Oasis compound 2 weeks ago they could hear the gun fire. My mother inlaw was with Diane (the lady who got shot running out the back of her house) the night before it happened. They left her for dead but she survived. I have an email from my mother inlaw that tells what really happened. The Saudi's didn't let everything that happened get out to the media. I'd be happy to post it if anyone is interested.
Yes, they make really good money over there. The cost of living is dirt cheap too. They are in a beautiful compound and their total household expenses are around $400 per month. That includes the home, A/C, water, yard boy and a part time maid.
Living in Saudi has a price. It used to be the lack of family contact. Now it is your safety. They are hoping to stay until retirement which is 4 years away. We want them home but they won't return unless they are given no choice.
Personally, I think your life is worth more than any amount of money.
No amount of money in the world would get me over there. There's too much work that needs to be done here at home. In fact, working in some parts of this country should require hazard pay.
posted on June 19, 2004 05:28:15 AM new
Tsunamii, the radio show I was listening to yesterday had this one caller in which she and her husband were offerred $100K tax free for a year's contract in Saudi. When they arrived they were taken into the compound and had their passports convistacted. After 6 months, they were given back their passports and told they could have a week's vacation. Needless to say they took their vacation and never came back.
Another caller had mentioned this company was offerred $20 million to contract work in Iraq. After thinking about it, the company declined the offer either because they could not get any of their workers to go over their or they decided they valued their employee's lives more than the money.
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 19, 2004 06:20:30 AM new
Not worth any amount of money? Isn't it nice people can make decisions for others and not have any real experience to add to the thinking process...
Your inlaws are making great money and for the most part it is safe there, however safety starts at home... people expect governments to keep them safe but still do the same routines like nothing is going to happen.
I have had many friends from the Military take positions over in Saudi and it was a great experience for them, you can get killed on your way to work here by some idiot driver...
Saudis take their appearnce to the world very serious and I don't think this terrorist BS will last much longer there, they don't play nice like we do...
If it weren't for the fact I couldn't take my dog... and I have my own business, I would work there in a new york minute... tax free money... oh and most people here in the US don't get a week's vacation after 6 months... plus it depends on the contract... some will fly you anywhere in the world you want to go.
posted on June 19, 2004 09:46:53 AM new
When my father was in Saudi his contract was a one month vacation once a year with the equivalent of two plane tickets home (they could choose to go anywhere they wanted, their account was credited with the value of two tickets to the states, they just had to pay the diffrence if their selected destination cost more). His contract was actually with the Saudiis to work in one of their hospitals. When they returned home from nearly ten years he was able to buy their land and build a home with no need for financing and he retired in his 50s. Not a bad deal.
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posted on June 19, 2004 12:00:54 PM newI think it was your low IQ that prevented you from going.
Just because you have experience coping with your negative IQ combined with your experience in a anal retentive lifestyle its no wonder you lack the understand of the thought process of working for a great salary.
posted on June 19, 2004 12:32:18 PM new
it depends on what your goals are,how much and how long does it take to save a bundle while working in good old USA??
Back then married men go to work in Alaska so their family can afford to buy a home with 20% down.
You can die anywhere,some guy who worked for a big construction company was stationed in remote part of nigeria to oversee a site by the fall,it was sheer boredom to spend the nite every nite by the fall alone in a shed,so he has local whore come to keep his company nite after nite,until he caught AIDS and they have to fly him home.
of course he died in USA.
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posted on June 19, 2004 05:43:40 PM new
Bear: Just because you have experience coping with your negative IQ combined with your experience in a anal retentive lifestyle its no wonder you lack the understand of the thought process of working for a great salary.
You seem to value your income and how much you make. I, on the other hand, believe money can not make you happy. There are more important things in life beside a 5 or 6 digit income such how much time you spend with your family and friends.
You must be single so you place greater importance on how much you make. That is fine if that is what makes you happy. In the end you will not be able to take it with you. You can have $1 million and die alone if that is what you want.
Even with my 10 years previous experience in trucking they wouldn't take me because of my bad left leg,
Now you know what it feels like to be discriminated against. Are you going to want to start the handicaped pride parade???
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 20, 2004 01:10:59 AM new
Give me $100,000 and an M-16 and I'd leave tomorrow morning! I actually sent an email application to KBR a few months ago, but they never replied.
The cash would be nice but I would not go over there now unless I could keep a rifle on me at all times.
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posted on June 20, 2004 05:29:14 AM new
Bear, you posted this, "I think it was your low IQ that prevented you from going." and "negative IQ combined with your experience in a anal retentive lifestyle." WOW, its a good thing that you can hide behind a computer screen while saying this kind of RUDE DIMWITTED CRAP. With more than one post like this its so obvious you are a sorry excuse for a man.
posted on June 20, 2004 06:05:32 PM new
Bear, why don't you keep these in mind the next time you decide you want to go work in a foreign land for tons of cash :
6. Opportunities always look bigger going than coming.
10. By the time you can make ends meet, they move the ends.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 20, 2004 06:46:32 PM new
"Anybody with half a brain would not go over there if they have a family here that means something to them". Then you are saying Paul Johnson and Berger didn't have a family that meant something to them. Maybe they (johnson and berger) wanted something better for their lives and their families and this is the only way they could do it.
logansdad said: "You seem to value your income and how much you make. I, on the other hand, believe money can not make you happy." But it helps.
Bigpeepa, "Bear, you posted this, "I think it was your low IQ that prevented you from going." Bear didn't post this logansdad did.
I wouldn't condemn anyone for trying to better themselves and if they do it that way so be it. It all depends on what you want is how you get it. I applaud Fenix's father for doing that for his family and giving them and him also a better quality of life. Risks are taken every day and even though his risks were greater he did survive.
posted on June 20, 2004 06:50:49 PM new
Libra says, "Maybe they (johnson and berger) wanted something better for their lives and their families and this is the only way they could do it."
I'm confused...couldn't they get jobs in the "greatest country in the world".
You know, one of those 200,000 jobs Bush "created" (in his own mind).
But, like Bush says, "One of the great things about America is that you can get a job overseas"
posted on June 20, 2004 07:18:25 PM newNow you know what it feels like to be discriminated against. Are you going to want to start the handicaped pride parade???
Not hardly. It was a legitimate physical reason for not accepting me. I don't begrudge them for it at all and Im not making a Federal discrimination case of it either.
posted on June 20, 2004 08:53:45 PM new
:: I applaud Fenix's father for doing that for his family and giving them and him also a better quality of life.::
Actually Libra - He didn't do it for his family. He was remarried and unemployable in his field in the US due to an advancing disability. The Saudis were more than happy to overloook his disability in favor of his skills and experience in a teaching situation. He had a great time because the Saudis love to spend money and be up on new technology and were buying new equipment as soon as it came on the market and long before it was ever seen in most US hospitals.
I applaud his willingness to think outside the box.
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posted on June 21, 2004 05:54:22 AM new
Libra63, You are right I misread Bear's post this time. Bear does make stupid statements. He said one to me. I still believe Bear makes RUDE AND DIMWITTED statements. Its good for bear that he can HIDE behind his computer screen because if he talked to a REAL MAN like that face to face he most likely would get his nose flattened.
posted on June 21, 2004 07:31:01 AM new
may be bear can accompany the fastow couple to serve in Iraq,i bet the two would rather be in Iraq than in jail.
I think food is better in Iraq,i heard local niteclubs are not too shabby.
Some iraqi make good pizza.
