posted on July 1, 2004 05:58:09 PM new
Doesn't say much for second place John.....
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Heinz Kerry Recalls Death of First Husband
By RYAN J. FOLEY
Associated Press Writer
DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) -- Teresa Heinz Kerry, who inherited a vast family fortune and heads a billion-dollar foundation, said Tuesday she would give up the money to have her first husband back.
"It was a very sad day when that happened," Heinz Kerry said, speaking of Sen. John Heinz, heir to the Heinz food fortune, who was killed in a 1991 plane crash. "I'd rather have my husband alive than that money."
Heinz Kerry, a philanthropist now married to Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic presidential candidate, said she wants people to judge her by her life's work and not the size of her bank account. She and Kerry wed in 1995, the second marriage for both.
Her comments came during her first visit to the state since a win in Iowa's caucuses ignited her husband's presidential campaign last January. She spoke in the crowded, sweltering basement of a Des Moines health care clinic where she pitched his health care proposals and fielded questions about her wealth.
Addressing the suggestion that her fortune, estimated at $500 million, makes her out of touch with the voters who will decide whether to elect her husband, she said: "It's so ludicrous that it makes you laugh."
"You measure people by what they do with their lives," said Heinz Kerry, who also heads the $1.2 billion Heinz Foundation endowment, which donates money to charitable causes.
Kristin Scuderi, a spokeswoman for the Iowa Republican Party, questioned how well Heinz Kerry could connect with ordinary Iowans. "I kind of question how down to earth she is," Scuderi said.
Heinz Kerry heard from medical patients who could not afford health insurance and called for changes to the system to focus on preventive health care and provide incentives to companies that offer health insurance to employees.
Separately, Kerry told an interviewer he has "no intention" of releasing his divorce records, calling it "ancient history."
"I have no intention of doing that at all. There's no reason whatsoever. It's history, ancient history," Kerry said in an interview with Spanish-language broadcaster Telemundo during a campaign stop in Phoenix. "My ex-wife and I are terrific friends, very proud of our children. We have stayed close as an extended family in a sense through those years."
Kerry said his ex-wife, Julia Thorne, sees no reason to release the records, nor do their two children.
"It's none of anybody's business. Period," he said.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 1, 2004 06:49:01 PM new
Bear, lol, I guess she should have stood up and said: "you know, I didnt give a crap about that guy. I married him, got all his money and I am thrilled he keeled over and I've now met John."
The only thing that is a good question in the post is can middle americans relate to her/them with all the money?
Do people lose their principals when they get money? well first I should know if she's always been rich. and even so, does being rich exclude one from being of good stock? Does being poor?
posted on July 1, 2004 08:12:32 PM new
Nero - I guess you missed the thread where it was put forth that she should not be allowed to be first lady because she is an immigrant.
Here is her bio -
Born in Mozambique, fluent in five languages, she has combined compassion and common sense to become a force for innovation and social progress as leader of one of the nation's largest private foundations. After studying in South Africa and Switzerland, she moved to the United States to work for the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz, with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash.
Turning down offers to run for her husband's Senate seat, she became chair of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies. Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, broaden economic opportunity, and promote the arts.
She started advocating for women early, attending the first meeting of the Women's Political Caucus in Pennsylvania in 1972. She established the Women's Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security.
Their mutual interest in environmental issues brought Teresa and John together. She was first introduced to John Kerry by Senator Heinz at an Earth Day rally in 1990. In 1992, she ran into Kerry at the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro, where she was representing U.S. non-governmental organizations. In 1993 they began dating, and were married in the presence of her three sons and his two daughters on Memorial Day weekend in 1995.
Teresa has received numerous awards and 10 honorary degrees for her many works. In September of last year, she was presented with the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for Humanitarianism, for her work protecting the environment, promoting health care and education and uplifting women and children throughout the world. She was recently elected a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.
In addition to her three sons and two step-daughters, Teresa is the almost inordinately (but understandably) proud grandmother of one grandchild.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on July 1, 2004 10:16:13 PM new
She speaks five languages...can't possibly be an Amerukun.....
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Belief? What do I believe in? I believe in sun. In rock. In the dogma of the sun and the doctrine of the rock. I believe in blood, fire, woman, rivers, eagles, storms, drums, flutes, banjos, and broom-tailed horses....
Edward Abbey
posted on July 1, 2004 11:21:12 PM new
LOL Prof! And she must be an idiot as well. While I was getting my nails done today I struck up a conversation with a new styist in my friends salon. She had just dealt with one of the rudest people I have seen in a while who spoke to her like a three year old child because, of course with her accented english, she must be stupid. Little did this person know that this fascinating 27 year old woman came to this country from Senegal speaking four languages (three African dialects plus french), became fluent in english within six months of arriving here and is currently learning two different spanish dialects thanks to fellow Cuban and Puerto Rican stylists. I'm only disappointed that the Japanese massage therapist went home at Christmas. I have no doubt she would be speaking Japanese by Thanksgiving.
I wish I had half her smarts.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on July 2, 2004 06:06:17 AM new
a recent survey shows she is not an asset to her husband in his campaign,as compared to laura bush.
is it her appearance,her age or her accent or her money or all of the above??
or is it her bad taste in man??
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posted on July 2, 2004 07:45:57 AM new
it does not matter how many languages she speaks or how compassionate she is,she turns some voters off??
why??
languages mean nothing in an election unless it is spanish!!
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 2, 2004 08:41:58 AM new
Stop - If sure that information was part of the poll. Do you have any idea who did? I just did a quick search to find any reference to this poll and found nothing tha referred to a poll or her popularity or lack thereof. Do you have a link to this poll.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on July 2, 2004 08:44:12 AM new
it was just a few days ago,on AOL.
It is always difficult to beat the incumbant,like ronnie ,like billie clinton.
Another lady comes to mind and she is well like and well known-elizabeth dole!!!
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Benjamin Franklin
[ edited by stopwhining on Jul 2, 2004 08:44 AM ]
posted on July 2, 2004 08:44:34 AM new
Why? Because she is an independent woman who has the nerve to have her own opinions and her own fortune which her husband has no say in. But most damning of all is her refusal to stand to the side staring devotedly at her husband.
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We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. -- John F. Kennedy
posted on July 2, 2004 09:48:07 AM new
Must really make John feel like he's playing second fiddle to know she would dump him & all the money for her 1st hubby.
That's the read I got from the statement.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 2, 2004 10:10:13 AM new
the issue here is-who is running for the white house??
and what does it take to get kerry into the white house??
The AOL survey is the only one i have seen so far and it is only available to AOL members,but AOL does have a lot of memebers.
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 2, 2004 10:34:56 AM new
That's a shame Bear. She was married to the man for 25 years, had three children and then lost him suddenly in a plane crash and when she professes such strong love for this man that she had spent half her life with, rather than seeing it as all that you profess to respect in terms of love and marriage and family values, you choose to see it as a dig.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on July 2, 2004 12:11:43 PM new
a deal is a deal,nancy cannot return to ronnie.
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 2, 2004 12:17:59 PM new
My sister is a remarried former widow. Just because her first husband died she didn't stop loving him. Her present husband understands this is natural and respects her feelings and memories.
My sister does not feel that her second husband is "less" in anyway than her first husband. This is a different part of her life with a different person.
A spouse is not a thing to be weighed against another, they're people.
The idea that we shouldn't vote for Kerry because he's someone's second husband means the Republicans are REALLy desperate!
So Bear, grunt twice, scratch your asp and crawl back in your cave.
posted on July 2, 2004 01:45:31 PM new
Forget it Helen, the topic was about Theresa dumping John & all her money to have hubby #1 back.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 2, 2004 01:48:45 PM new
[i]My sister is a remarried former widow[/b]
Does that mean her previous spouse has suddenly been reserected?
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 2, 2004 01:54:56 PM new
I'll type slowly for you, bear.
No, it means what it says.....she's a widow who remarried. No, her first husband has not been resUrrected.
BUT it was a good try at missing the point of the post....one of your specialties.
But, in your defense.....you miss the point in most posts.
posted on July 2, 2004 03:29:13 PM new
On topic - I had the same reaction as you did, bear, when I first read that article. Like 'how nice'...and if she could do that, just how would that affect kerry...what would happen to him then.'
But, I understood where she was coming from - what she meant, cause I feel exactly the same way. But it was the way she said it....it could have been put differently, and still explained what she was trying to say, I believe.
But it did make me chuckle at how the way she worded it made him look....like second choice.
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Neroter - I was not aware of all that about her.
Something else you may not be aware of. My biggest concern about having a First Lady like Teresa, besides the fact that she's an ultra-ultra liberal is her direct connection to a group called The Tide Foundation. They are a group of *extremely* wealthly people who donate to her organization [anonymously] and are guaranteed that their names cannot be tied to where their donations are going to - who they will benefit. All kept in the dark and secret.
I question why? And from what I've read about it - the whole thing's too secretive and underground for my liking. AND the fact she won't open up her tax returns...using other excuses when I believe it's because she doesn't want voters to see which organizations she *is* supporting with her wealth.
IF they're anti-American groups....we all have a right to know that BEFORE the election.
Re-elect President Bush!!
edited to add: More scathing reviews on this 'group' can be read elsewhere...but this will better explain one of my concerns about her.
posted on July 2, 2004 03:37:53 PM new
Oh linda, you are so negative ...you can't find good even in a person like Kerry's wife.....just ooozing jealousy aren't you....so far below her.
Ya, Theresa sounds like the head of a secret terrorist group!
Or maybe it's...
"""Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, broaden economic opportunity, and promote the arts. """"
Everything you're against!
Maybe she doesn't want to open up her tax records because:
A:it's nobody's business.
B: she doesn't want anyone to see the big tax break the bush administration gave her.
posted on July 2, 2004 03:51:20 PM new
Teresa has a lot of credentials,all very impresive,but the question is -WILL SHE GET THE VOTES FOR HER HUBBY??
My answer is NO,kerry will have to rely on himself.
She can campaign till the cow comes home,it wont make much difference with the voters,she may as well take time off for another face job or an African safari.
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Benjamin Franklin
posted on July 2, 2004 04:15:07 PM new
::I question why?::
Many people who contribute large sums would rather have it done annonymously in order to avoid become fodder for the solicitation roles.
::And from what I've read about it - the whole thing's too secretive and underground for my liking. AND the fact she won't open up her tax returns::
Her tax returns are no ones business although I believe that they did in fact end up being released and nothing really came of it. As for the charitble foundations which are and entirely seperate entity from her personal returns, their tax records are public record. Non profit charitble organizations don't have sealed tax records Linda, If you are really so concerned, just do the research,
STOP - I have AOL and despite much searching - I can't find a single mention of the poll you mentioned. Heinz is the wife of a politician, not a political wife. She has been involved in numerous campaign functions however and response has always been that she is a compassionate and very approachable woman which is hardly a bad thing. Do you really believe that Laura Bush and that prozac smile wins over the undecided and pushes votes to her husband?
People do not decide on presidents based on their wives (at least not since Kennedy) Reagan was re-elected by a wide margin despite the fact that Nancy was widely disliked at that point in time. On the flip side - Every one loved Barbara Bush and found her smart and funny and even her occasional sarcasm was endearing but it certainly did not help her husband get re-elected.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on July 2, 2004 04:45:05 PM newMany people who contribute large sums would rather have it done annonymously in order to avoid become fodder for the solicitation roles.
Yes, but when you look at some of those groups listed and what they support, and think she might be in the WH giving 'special' support to them......different ball game all together than a private person doing the same thing.
That I'm aware of, no other first lady has refused to do so. She's not special and imo, should be held to the same accountability as they all have been.
::And from what I've read about it - the whole thing's too secretive and underground for my liking. AND the fact she won't open up her tax returns::
I was referring to those activist groups the money goes to...as being what's secretive and hidden. If all is above board....there would be no reason to hide what group(s) one supports.
Her tax returns are no ones business
I couldn't disagree more. That sounds to me like the movie stars who want the public to like them, go see their movies and then demand privacy. If you don't want to be a public person...want to be private then they shouldn't have chosen a job that puts them out in the public eye.
Same with her...if she wants to be First Lady....and with her wealth and political influence....then the public [voters] have a right to know JUST what types of groups she supports.
Isn't open and honest what the left is always claiming they want from the right? But then, it's always different when it involves their side/candidate for some reason. Then secrecy is allowed.
that they did in fact end up being released and nothing really came of it.
Nope not last I read.....she didn't release *all*....using as her excuse that what she didn't release was her finances that are tired together with her sons finances. No excuse, imo. She's no different nor more special than anyone else just because she's a wealthy democrat, who wants to be First Lady, imo.
posted on July 2, 2004 04:50:53 PM new
linda ooooooozzzing bitterness and jealousy.
I thought this was about her having a SECOND husband so lets talk about how happy they are!
And linda, you forgot(?) to address her big tax cut from bush!
What job has she "chosen" to be out in the public eye?
linda, could you please post your tax returns ?
And why am I not surprised that a woman of her assets, wealth, humanity, intellect, and accomplishments makes the like of you gag.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 2, 2004 04:55 PM ]
posted on July 2, 2004 07:51:20 PM new
Crowfarm, maybe you should write Dr Phil & see if he gives a dam what you say or think? because I sure don't.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
