Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry called for an international humanitarian intervention in the Sudan in a speech to the NAACP Thursday.
Kerry called the campaign against Sudan's black population at the hands of ethnic Arab militias "genocide." He also called on the White House to stop "equivocating" and demand the Sudanese government take action against the militias.
Armed Arab militiamen known as janjaweed have killed thousands of black Sudanese in the Darfur region of western Sudan, and driven more than 1 million people from their homes over the last year, the Council on Foreign Relations has said.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell warned Sudanese officials on his trip in early July the U.N. Security Council could act against them if they did not immediately stem the violence and bring about "dramatic improvements on the ground right now."
A humanitarian intervention is a military action taken to protect innocent lives.
Kerry did not specify what role he envisioned for U.S. forces in an international intervention team.
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[today's Washington Times]
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So...once again kerry 'wants' something done but doesn't bother to explain just what HE would do.
Would you agree with him, if he were now President, on sending in our troops into the Sudan?
Or was this just a political ploy for him to ruffle some feathers at his speech in front of the NAACP...to show them he'd take action, because they've been complaining he hasn't done much for civil rights here in the US lately?
posted on July 15, 2004 10:54:57 PM new
I'm shocked by the lack of response on this issue - we're talking about Arabs killing off the black people of the Sudan.
Does this mean that the kerry's supporters who have been so against this administrations 'not minding our own business - staying out of the world's affairs, when it doesn't affect us directly'...
and our going into Iraq because they hadn't done anything to us.....yet....
....as meaning you all don't agree with with kerry's wanting to send in our military at this point to stop this genocide?
Or you do agree - we should???
OR?????
Or since kerry can't even give an answer to exactly how HE'D handle this problem, as your president, then you have no answer either.
posted on July 15, 2004 11:15:17 PM new
I believe you're right, Libra.
Pretty hard to support a candidate for no other reason than he's NOT President Bush.
But there have been some here who have previously professed that we, as a Nation, shouldn't be involving our country in the affairs of other countries when their problems aren't affecting us directly. They've stated we should just stay OUT of it....mind our own business...not get involved in it.
I guess I though at least they'd reply they felt the same way in this case.....
posted on July 15, 2004 11:24:05 PM new
I'm not that big of a Kerry supporter and I'm not familiar with this. But perhaps no one has answered as they're used to your selective posting where you omit a few details, Linda_K.
....as meaning you all don't agree with with kerry's wanting to send in our military at this point to stop this genocide?
Where did you get that information that he wants to send in the military at this point?
You forgot to post this part:
``The government of Sudan and the people of Darfur must understand that America stands prepared to act, in concert with our allies and the UN, to prevent the further loss of innocent lives,'' Kerry said in an address to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, meeting in Philadelphia.
The U.S. must ask the UN Security Council to authorize ``an international humanitarian intervention,'' Kerry said. Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for the candidate, said later that Kerry was suggesting that all possible diplomatic solutions be examined and that he would commit U.S. soldiers to any peacekeeping force ``only as a last resort.''
posted on July 16, 2004 12:48:07 AM new
kiara - Pull back in your fangs and your claws.....I don't do selective posting and for you to suggest I do...is FALSE.
I stated my source was the Washington Times....NOT BLOOMBERG.com
Here's the full article....see how it compares and let me know exactly where in the you see my "selective posting".
If you're going to accuse someone of something.....back it up next time.
Kerry calls for intervention in Sudan
Washington, DC, Jul. 15 (UPI) --
Democratic U.S. presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry called for an international humanitarian intervention in the Sudan in a speech to the NAACP Thursday.
Kerry called the campaign against Sudan's black population at the hands of ethnic Arab militias "genocide." He also called on the White House to stop "equivocating" and demand the Sudanese government take action against the militias.
Armed Arab militiamen known as janjaweed have killed thousands of black Sudanese in the Darfur region of western Sudan, and driven more than 1 million people from their homes over the last year, the Council on Foreign Relations has said.
U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell warned Sudanese officials on his trip in early July the U.N. Security Council could act against them if they did not immediately stem the violence and bring about "dramatic improvements on the ground right now."
A humanitarian intervention is a military action taken to protect innocent lives.
Kerry did not specify what role he envisioned for U.S. forces in an international intervention tea
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posted on July 16, 2004 01:02:25 AM new
OK,linda , I feel sorry for you that nobody but YOU, libra and kiara(who's very kind hearted) gives a rat's patoot about your post.
Maybe nobody can really believe that warm, sweet, kind, caring, compassionate linda gives a damn about blacks in Sudan.
I don't.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 16, 2004 01:17 AM ]
posted on July 16, 2004 01:03:25 AM new
Linda_K, I don't have my fangs or claws out, where did you get that from? But I think it's kinda cute that you envision me that way.
I stand by my previous post and I still can't find anything about Kerry wanting to send in the military now.
Kerry did not specify what role he envisioned for U.S. forces in an international intervention tea
posted on July 16, 2004 01:19:01 AM new
kiara - It's evil to quote from another source.
Really? I don't think so. But it does show the character of the person making false accusation and then they can't back them up.
Wipe the blood from your claws and fangs...it's so unattractive on you...that sweet little happy child that you act like.
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You are right, Linda is wrong. Kerry does want to support and help of the UN. He does not plan to go in like we did in Iraq. He does understand the importance of living in a world community. He doesn't fancy himself "leader of the free world", like some arrogant SOBs we know do.
Linda
We don't pay much attention to your posts anymore and the reasons should be quite obvious. You omit parts or take your information from already biased sources. Then, when we are all busy doing something else and don't have the time to immediately respond to you, you accuse us of not being interested or of being wrong. I think some of us have better things to do when the weather is nice than spending hours googling the Internet.
I hear very little out of the Bush camp, which you apparently are a part of, about what Bush's plans for the next four years would be. I hear a whole lot of Kerry this and Kerry that. That's good. Keep his name alive. I think the Bush camp should keep up the digs and insults. Pretty soon people get tired of it.
Linda says to Kiara, [i]"Really? I don't think so. But it does show the character of the person making false accusation and then they can't back them up."
This statement is a textbook example of "projection" usually defined as the attribution of one's own attitudes, feelings or suppositions to others. It's a defense mechanism against anxiety or guilt.
How many times, linda have I asked you to backup false allegations and how many times have you been unable to do so?
posted on July 16, 2004 05:20:40 AM new
INTERNATIONAL humanitarian intervention. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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Beware the man of one book.
- Thomas Aquinas
posted on July 16, 2004 06:06:35 AM new
Linda, yes Kerry will sit back and complain that the UN (worthless org) did nothing and that the US is waiting for them to do something.
Kerry is like every politician after an encumbent... will say anything to get elected, Congress is still and will be GOP held no matter who wins the election, but considering what is going on in the world and this country to elect anyone other than President Bush is foolhardy at best...
Poeple on these boards have time and again shown they do not care for this country they only care for getting President Bush out of office at any cost....
Sad... but I wonder how many posting here actually vote in elections?
posted on July 16, 2004 06:21:43 AM new
C'mon twelve,keep up the good work of bumping linda's posts to the top ...you sure are a strong linda supporter!
Well, I'll help 'cause there's nothing like defeating the enemy by letting them speak.
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 16, 2004 06:33 AM ]
posted on July 16, 2004 06:40:46 AM new
Trashed? How Helen?
Why do you continue to deny this downturn started on the last watch?
President Bush was handed this upon his election and with 9/11 to add to it, he has done a great job... 4 more years of someone who does have the USs best interest at heart and not some inept world organization is what I like about the man... UN is a failed org and the sooner people realize that the better.
posted on July 16, 2004 07:04:51 AM new
How is our country trashed.
Bush has made the administration of this country the laughing stock of the world. He has trashed the economy by catering to corporate welfare and by military profiteering. He has lost all allied support and taken the country to war without reason or cause. He is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent people in the mideast along with hundreds of U.S. military. We are now in a quagmire in Iraq that makes Vietnam look easy. He has appointed the fundamentalist right wing John Ashcroft to destroy civil liberties. He has destroyed the integrity and confidence in government that people once had. Now, Americans are less safe than when George Bush was anointed, millions are unemployed, millions are without health care and the country is going to hell in a handbasket. We are being led there by the most dangerous man in the world.
posted on July 16, 2004 07:08:10 AM new
Bravo Helen! Kerry could use you in his campaign! Great post!
In fact,it's so well written and concise that I think I'll print it out and read it to the next Republican fund raiser that calls....yeeehaw!
[ edited by crowfarm on Jul 16, 2004 07:13 AM ]
posted on July 16, 2004 12:59:49 PM new
What kerry is attempting to do is deflect attention from the successes we hare having in Iraq and bring more favorable attention to himself. But it isn't working.
Helen, you must be experiencing a flash back from your acid trip flower power Vietnam protest daze to try and equivocate Iraq to Vietnam.
"The natural family is a man and woman bound in a lifelong covenant of marriage for the purposes of:
*the continuation of the human species,
*the rearing of children,
*the regulation of sexuality,
*the provision of mutual support and protection,
*the creation of an altruistic domestic economy, and
*the maintenance of bonds between the generations."
posted on July 16, 2004 01:05:05 PM new
Bear is that really the way you honor our war vets?
I think it's really low to show disrespect for people who put their lives on the line for all of us...not exactly supporting the troops...is it? Not exactly patriotic....
What an awful thing for lindak to say to you, Kiara.
Her words spoken in the middle of the night remind me of vultures and the feast which her Bush has provided them. Maybe such thoughts are beginning to disturb her sleep.
posted on July 16, 2004 05:57:23 PM new
Linda_K's comments don't bother me, Helen. That comment was right up there with the one she made about the hatred coming back at her through her monitor.
When current affairs, facts, the true reality of the world and opinions offered by others can set another poster off that bad I always think it's time for them to step outside and breathe some fresh clean air for awhile..... just take a peek at the real world out there and maybe try to get some balance back into their lives.
posted on July 16, 2004 08:08:07 PM new
Well....all you lefties had better sit down. Appears your candidate is flip-floppin' again.
cheryl said: "He does not plan to go in like we did in Iraq. He does understand the importance of living in a world community. He doesn't fancy himself "leader of the free world" like some arrogant SOBs we know do".
You lefties are always so supportive of his no pre-emption policies - go with UN approval only. But I regret to inform you he has now changed his position on that too.
Taken from tonights AP
Jul 16, 9:30 PM EDT
Kerry Backs Much of Pre-Emption Doctrine
By KEN GUGGENHEIM
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) --
Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said Friday he would be willing to launch a pre-emptive strike against terrorists if he had adequate intelligence of a threat.
Kerry offered some support for one of the most controversial aspects of President Bush's national security policy, even as he criticized the president for not reforming intelligence agencies after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
"Am I prepared as president to go get them before they get us if we locate them and have the sufficient intelligence? You bet I am," he said at a news conference at his Washington headquarters.
The Bush administration laid out the doctrine of pre-emption months before the Iraq war began in March 2003. It argued that the United States cannot rely on its vast arsenal to deter attacks and must be willing to strike first against potential threats. Critics of the policy say the Iraq war shows how the country could be driven to war by flawed intelligence.
Kerry said the intelligence needs to be improved so that the word of a U.S. president "is good enough for people across the world again."
But he added, "I will never allow any other country to veto what we need to do and I will never allow any other institution to veto what we need to do to protect our nation."
Bush-Cheney campaign spokesman Steve Schmidt complained that Kerry proposed cuts in intelligence spending while in the Senate. "John Kerry's attack is another example of his flailing efforts to defend a record that is out of the mainstream," Schmidt said.
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So...now there's two reversals he's made. One on not needing UN approval and the other on attacking pre-emptly.
Maybe he's finally not been too busy to get to one of the Security briefings, like he was last week when poor ol' Daschle was upset about the new terrorist threats, and has possibably heard about the reported connection between AQ and Iran....and needed to change his position so he's covered should we have problems with them.
But...whatever his reasoning...he's reversed himself, once again.
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