posted on August 10, 2004 08:41:30 AM new
You call us "communist" because we feel that when things are better for everybody then things are better for everybody.
Taxes pay for things YOU use:
Highways, roads, bridges. The care(snowplowing,etc.) and upkeep of these things.
Planning commissions
Police, Firemen, EMT's.
Schools, community colleges and other forms of education which is essential for a strong American future.
Now I know school programs like the ones that feed INNOCENT CHILDREN WHO DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE POOR are anathema to YOU but we are obligated by WHAT is RIGHT to care for them.
Funding for medical research.
Funding for space research.
Hospitals.
Courts of law.
Public programs that give people a lift so that they CAN work hard and succeed.
Prisons(where criminals are kept to keep you safe).
Corporations who use loopholes to NOT pay any taxes....we pay their share.
Armed Forces.
Wars.
Walmart.
Sports stadiums for rich people.
Our president and all the other public representatives.
The White House and all other national and federal monuments that preserve our heritage.
National,Federal, state, county, city parks and wildlife (where were YOU camping?).
I'm sure more posters in here can add to the list.
The point in the "millionaire" post was millionaires who said , yes, they made money through their own efforts but couldn't have done it without the help of the government and all the services it provides, other people, and, in one case, luck.
Twelve, I don't see how you can call that communism.......
However, communism does push the belief that everyone should think the same, believe the same, feel the same, BE the same....this sounds more like YOU and a few other posters in here.
Now , the challenge is this:
Can you answer this:
Why is this communism? Why is helping your fellow humans(which I HEARD was a "christian ideal) communism???
WITHOUT INSULTS, without saying, "ya, but you.......ya, but so and so......And without a cutandpaste.
And, yes, twelve, WE KNOW just about everybody in here uses insults at one time or another.......
but can YOU answer once WITHOUT insults?
[ edited by crowfarm on Aug 10, 2004 08:48 AM ]
[ edited by crowfarm on Aug 10, 2004 09:45 AM ]
posted on August 10, 2004 06:13:06 PM new
Twelve calls you communists because you are anti-American, anti-capitalist, anti-Christian homo wierdos. And I agree.
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on Aug 10, 2004 06:15 PM ]
posted on August 10, 2004 07:24:10 PM new
There's a tremendous difference between people/individuals giving to the needy themselves vs the government taking from all and re-distributing it out equally.
If you REALLY want to know why it's socialism and communism...then go read the US Communist Party's website or the US Socialist Party's website...they state their goals there for America.
And neither support Capitalism like we have here, in the good ol' USA. Where each works for what they want...reaps the benefits of their own hard work. In a socialist society the government takes control [supposedly for the public interest] the ownership of property, businesses, farms, etc and doles out the income to all on an equal basis.
Socialism leads down the road to communism. And I agree, from some of the posts I have read here...it does look like a few support socialism.
Both the US Communist Party and the US Socialist Party's have endorsed kerry for President. Can't imagine why.
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posted on August 10, 2004 07:28:17 PM new
I was just waiting, I knew Twelvepole's Momma would check in and answer the question for him to save his little azz.
posted on August 10, 2004 07:34:49 PM new
I'm not speaking FOR twelve kiara - I'm stating why I agree WITH him. Grow up.
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posted on August 10, 2004 08:17:21 PM new
Kind of like you pop in, quite often, not to add to the thread topic discussion, but rather to add your snide remarks.
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posted on August 10, 2004 08:29:01 PM new
No you obviously do not know the meaning... when things are better for everybody it does not mean that there is an equal distribution of wealth from one group to another...
It means just that, things are better... however your idea of better means that those who have worked and earned the most must support those that have not worked and earned anything...
Your list means nothing... of course I pay taxes and use those things... so doesn't everyone else in the US... what is your point?
I am all for the SBA, NASA, CIA, Military... none of those ideals are communistic in nature and just reinforces the idea you do not know what communism is or socialism...
No luck, hard work and effort... something that people seem to be forgetting and all they want is a handout for nothing, nothing they have done to earn it... something you obviously do not understand...
National health care, free money for street bums, WIC, welfare... all socialistic ideals that should disappear tomorrow
We have created a welfare state and those individuals are the dregs that need to pick themselves up or face the sadness of being homeless...
posted on August 10, 2004 11:15:51 PM new
Ya, Kiara, isn't it funny that linda pops in and answers my post just like she was Twelvepole !!!???!!!!!????
I think Little Miss "I love to see children abused and tortured" forgot to change IDs before posting HA!
As to the other posters ....if they're "christian" it makes me doubly glad I'm an atheist !!!
I never heard people with so much hate for other people !
posted on August 11, 2004 12:07:14 AM new
Crowfarm, you asked Twelvepole a question. Then Linda_K answers it and then chides me and says that she wasn't speaking for him but that she was agreeing with him. How can she agree with him when he didn't even answer your question yet? Things that make you go hmmmmm.......
Yes, some people are very uncaring about others. They have no reality that misfortune can strike almost anyone and they make it sound like it's shameful to help their fellow beings.
posted on August 11, 2004 12:30:03 AM new
If that is the case with Linda, well there are others that do the same thing....No maybe they just email each other...
Don't ya just love it when a poster comes in and asks questions and then tells you how to answer them. Evidently we need to change the name of this board to the Crowfarm Round Table. You can tell she wants to be the leader of the Pack. You have done this before post a question and then tell how to answer it. What would you do if we told you we didn't like the way you posted. I am sure you would change - NOT
I don't understand why we need after school programs for the working parents. I do not support paying for babysitting because that family is living beyond their means. I am sure you heard me say this before. Let them find babysitters like most of us that had children, maybe like your mother and father.
posted on August 11, 2004 05:13:39 AM new
"Crowfarm, you asked Twelvepole a question. Then Linda_K answers it and then chides me and says that she wasn't speaking for him but that she was agreeing with him. How can she agree with him when he didn't even answer your question yet? Things that make you go hmmmmm....... "
posted on August 11, 2004 06:14:21 AM new
I see I was right, you don't know what the hell you are talking about moron... crowfart get some education and then come back and play missy...
Challenge answered wormshit...
Lots of things helen? Damn right... like the newbies to a board that maybe adds one a year... notice how they start here and not he EO... that is not the norm...
Linda and I agree on alot of subjects... but if you insist that she is me and I am her... nothing in your pointy heads can change that and won't even bother... but then crowfart you have yet to explain how you know magginuthins, when you bothed claimed not to know each other before and no email was attached to your id...
explain that...
helen and kiara both know that linda and I are not the same poster, they are just feeding you BS... but like I said if it makes you feel better go for it..
helen and kira are doing in a hope linda will quit posting over it... they can't get the best of her, even those she bests them time and again...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
[ edited by Twelvepole on Aug 11, 2004 06:15 AM ]
posted on August 11, 2004 06:22:40 AM newI don't understand why we need after school programs for the working parents. I do not support paying for babysitting because that family is living beyond their means. I am sure you heard me say this before. Let them find babysitters like most of us that had children, maybe like your mother and father.
Wow, Libra. There's apparently a whole world out there you've never heard of. There are actually people who are living at or below poverty level. Can you just imagine? There are single mothers whose husbands are dead beat dads. Can you just imagine? There are families working at minimum wage. Can you just imagine? There are thousands of children going to bed hungry at night while their parents struggle just to keep a roof over their heads. Can you just imagine? Who would have thought.
"Most children in low-income families have parents who are employed full-time and year-round.
56% of all children in low-income families—14.6 million—have at least one parent who works full-time and year-round.
28% of children in low-income families—7.3 million—have at least one parent who works part-time or full-time, part-year.
Just 16% of children in low-income families—4.2 million—do not have an employed parent".
Let me repeat something I've been saying for a long time now: Families living at or below poverty level exist. They work everyday. They exist. There are families out there at or below poverty level who were thrown into the clutches of poverty by the mass layoffs created in part by this administraion. THEY DO EXIST. I see them everyday. They are NOT living beyond their means. They need help AND providing that help is the Christian thing to do.
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NOT directed specifically to Libra:
I hear a lot about Christians on this board, but I don't see very much in the way of Christian behavior. Don't call yourselves Christian when you can't see yourself helping your fellow man. Don't tout this administration as being a Christian one when so many people can't even
afford a decent meal for their children. And don't you dare blame these people for their situation as a lot of you so readily do. Thousands of these families were put in this situation by parties other than themselves.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on August 11, 2004 07:36:25 AM new
Nicely said, Cheryl. It's a reality that you speak of yet some don't seem to recognize that this is happening right around them.
Nowhere did I say Linda_K and Twelvepole are the same poster but I often wonder why one speaks for the other.
Kind of like you pop in, quite often, not to add to the thread topic discussion, but rather to add your snide remarks.
Except for a certain little matter I recently tried to clear up here I haven't been posting a whole lot. So I guess the "snide" remarks Momma_K refers to must be my bantering ones to her son, Twelvepole. Sorry, I thought he was a big kid and could take care of himself.
posted on August 11, 2004 07:59:17 AM new
Cheryl-My statement was for the families that have 2 working parents that live beyond their means. Afterschool programs as they are set up now are for the children that need extra help in school with reading, math etc. That is the way is should be. I don't begruge the working poor, just the couple that decided to have children, then buy all the expensive toys,(adult toys, boat, expensive cars, SUV etc.) both need to work to pay for them and then we have to pay for babysitting. I know the're parents that NEED to work to survive and heaven forbid if we can help them we should. I understand the working mom that doesn't get child support that needs this service. It's tough to raise children these days, but to have to pay for the afterschool programs for the families that have out spent their money because they have to keep up with the Jones I am not for that. People have to learn to live within their means. I hope you would agree with that.
posted on August 11, 2004 08:23:46 AM new
Libra, You didn't HAVE to answer my opening post if you didn't want to !
Is YOUR ID twelve? Still have reading comprehension problems I see.
Libra, why does it bother you that relatively little money is being "stolen" by undeserving (in YOUR OLD EYES) parents in school programs that help the poor?
Why don't you go to work and help with all this RAMPANT theft?
But I suppose it doesn't bother you that your government gave military contracts to corporations with off-shore addresses so they pay NO INCOME TAXES.
The loss of tax revenue is in the BILLIONS of dollars!!!
WE pay TWICE, once for the work done and again because WE have to make up the tax loss.
There are many other examples of the ultr-rich ripping off the average taxpayers...
BUT
you neocons don't want to disturb your rulers whom you blindly worship by suggesting that they and their friends are thieves so you just keep picking on those who can't fight back.
Yes, I agree that people who can afford it should not get the childcare free. My daughter got free daycare (well, not really. She did have to pay for some based on her income.) and there are multiple forms to complete. They award the daycare based upon your income. So, many people who waste their money, will not be eligible. The caseworkers don't care about your SUV payment or what you pay for luxury items. Those expenses don't come into play. If you have enough money left over for daycare after deductions for housing, utilities and food, you don't get it. Right now, you have to be below a certain wage to even apply. I'm not too worried about the otherwise wealthy getting this service. Someone living in a $500,000 home is no way going to be eligible.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on August 11, 2004 11:00:33 AM new
Evidently crow you can't read either. The threads started by NTS titled Neroter, Libra. it seems you just jumped right in and gave your unwanted opinion. So what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
You Start a new thread with missspelling and then you add I know I miss spelled the word so don't comment. You correct spelling, grammer and the list goes on. I respected your wish about the miss spelled word but I just had to remind you again that there is a double standard in the RT and you seem to be the queen of it.
posted on August 11, 2004 11:10:50 AM new
Cheryl you should know my husband. He will give anything he can to help anyone that needs it. We are both on retirement but if someone needs a meal or extra help he will step in and help them. Since I am not out and about like he is that is why he does it.
The only thing I will not let him donate to is the democratic party. I on the other will not donate to the republican party. Mutual agreement.
BTW he does volunteer his time for Dr. Thomas, a democrat who is running against Sen. Ryan for congress and if that what he wants to do that is fine with me.
posted on August 11, 2004 11:24:04 AM new
Libra, once again , instead of addressing the post,
Libra, why does it bother you that relatively little money is being "stolen" by undeserving (in YOUR OLD EYES) parents in school programs that help the poor?
Why don't you go to work and help with all this RAMPANT theft?
But I suppose it doesn't bother you that your government gave military contracts to corporations with off-shore addresses so they pay NO INCOME TAXES.
The loss of tax revenue is in the BILLIONS of dollars!!!
WE pay TWICE, once for the work done and again because WE have to make up the tax loss.
There are many other examples of the ultr-rich ripping off the average taxpayers...
YOU dither about nothing.
BOY! What a huge drain on taxpayers...a kid having a meal they don't deserve....let's throw them in jail!
Glad your husband has a brain and uses it......case of opposites attracting.
[ edited by crowfarm on Aug 11, 2004 11:24 AM ]
posted on August 11, 2004 12:25:05 PM newDon't tout this administration as being a Christian one when so many people can't even afford a decent meal for their children.
That's just a commie myth. From what I see at the grocery store, people on food stamps eat a lot better than I do.
And don't you dare blame these people for their situation as a lot of you so readily do.
So families who continue to have children that they can't support deserve no blame? Drug addicts? Alcoholics? Gamblers?
I believe that people should take responsibility for their own lives and charities, not the government, should be there to help.
[ edited by ebayauctionguy on Aug 11, 2004 12:25 PM ]
posted on August 11, 2004 12:57:12 PM new
If you would take notice crow I wasn't even addressing you. I was speaking with Cheryl.
Many people go off topic as I can attest to so try again crow to start something.
You weren't addressing the post either when you posted to the Neroter & Libra post so what is your problem.
posted on August 11, 2004 12:58:44 PM new
ebayauctionguy
Get real. Not every family that is poor are having multiple children that they can't afford, are drug addicts or gamblers. Tell a family of two that gets $100 per month of food stamps that they're eating well. I know of a mother making minimum wage with a child that gets exactly that. $100. Now, yum, you sure can eat like a king on that. There are plenty of families whose provider has been laid off and can't find anything to pay near what was paid before. Why don't you take a step out into the real world for a change?
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on August 11, 2004 01:47:41 PM new
hmmmmmm, neat posts. We have a bi-furcation of society in governmental administration. On the one hand, if you wish to work and produce you are taxed for that privilege. On the other hand, if you manage to qualify on a 'needy' scale through a total lack of reportable income and the inability to produce it you receive a stipend. The road to your stipend can be long and requires many experts. The same can be said of paying your taxes.
From each according to their 'ability', to each according to their 'need'. Who said that? Exactly what kind of society are we ending up with?
posted on August 11, 2004 02:34:03 PM new
Twelve, if you are talking about welfare type programs, then what would you suggest for senior citizens, veterans, disabled, etc? If you were paralyzed in a car accident and couldn't afford insurance, who would pay for your care? And if your care was paid for by the government through the taxes everyone's paid, how is that considered socialist?
