posted on August 25, 2004 06:36:54 PM new
OK john explain this away this smoking gun...
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The Kerry campaign currently alleges illegal coordination between the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth and the Bush campaign. It is therefore doubly startling to find this apparent confession of an illegal link between the Democratic Party and the vastly larger Bush-bashing 527 organization MoveOn.org, which was sent to us by reader Alan Peters:
Raise Your Democratic Voice! President Bush has ordered his most loyal and partisan supporters to contact their Senators and Representatives in Congress to pressure them to pass his irresponsible tax giveaway.
It's time to fight back.
The Democratic Party is partnering with MoveOn.org, People for the American Way, Campaign for America's Future, and dozens of other groups representing millions of Americans to organize a massive public mobilization. On Wednesday, May 14, join us by calling and emailing your representatives in Congress to let them know that the majority of Americans oppose more irresponsible tax cuts that go overwhelmingly to the wealthiest sliver of Americans.
posted on August 25, 2004 06:47:18 PM new
This isn't remotely similar to Bush's connection to the swift boat liars. Nice try.
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
posted on August 25, 2004 06:57:06 PM new
Any ads by kerry supporters talking about what a drunken coward Bush was?
Well, there could be if Democrats stooped to the level of the slime covered Republicans.
posted on August 25, 2004 07:45:12 PM new
Bear just go back to your Bunker and count you money will ya. Nice try but this kind of stuff isn't working any longer. Your side is LOSING.
WORK HARD DEMOCRATS AND WE WILL DEFEAT BUSH AND PEOPLE LIKE BEAR IN NOVEMBER.
posted on August 25, 2004 08:12:18 PM new
Profe, why isnt it remotely similar? Because moveondotorg didnt come out with the advertisement that blew this campaign out of the water??
What I find funny about this whole thing is like even within your own family or neighborhood when recalling bygone events, one will say..remember such n such, and the other says: "I dont remember that happening" and another saying, "yeah, yeah, it did - I remember it like it was yesterday. And a next one says "Where was I when that happened? I remember this part but not that part."
The mind is an odd processor and people do not all remember things the same way. This is 30 years ago! My feeling is that all of their recollections of events are probably a bit murky. Especially given the fact that drug use was rampant and the exposed trauma of the war itself. - How do ANY of them say with all honesty of accuracy they remember the entire events of that one day??
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posted on August 25, 2004 08:23:24 PM new
yep, neroter, it has done that [blew his campaign out of the water]. Some polls like the LA Times poll are showing Bush ahead for the first time this year.
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As far as memories go....I think kerry has a real problem.
from the WSJ today -
AnotherSeared--Seared--Memory
From a John Kerry speech commemorating Martin Luther King Day, Jan. 20, 2003:
I remember well April 1968--I was serving in Vietnam--a place of violence--when the news reports brought home to me and my crewmates the violence back home--and the tragic news that one of the bullets flying that terrible spring took the life of that unabashedly maladjusted citizen.
In fact, Kerry did not go to Vietnam until November 1968.
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kerry's either the biggest liar that ever campaigned for the Presidency or his memory stinks.
posted on August 25, 2004 08:30:36 PM new
If it isn't working, why is kerry attempting to move his theme away from his lying Vietnam record, and calling Swift Vets at their homes wanting to know why they aren't supporting him?
That shows kerrys desperation, knowing he hasn't a leg to run on.
posted on August 25, 2004 08:37:01 PM new
On the GOP site today there was a commentary I especially liked - this is part of it:
Kerry has repeatedly called on President Bush to denounce the Swift Boat veterans' ads. Every time I hear that, I just bust out laughing! Denounce what?
That there are actually veterans that do not support Kerry? You mean that a War Hero does not have the corner of the veterans' vote?
In December 2003, MoveOn.org held a "house party" in California in support of John Kerry. Teresa was present and passed out "Asses of Evil- Bush, Cheney & Ashcroft buttons". John did a call-in speech via speakerphone. Denounce that Mr. Kerry!
Michael Moore produced a film that was full of lies - at last count 60 lies. The 9/11 Commission's report debunked almost the entire movie. Michael Moore held a place of honor at the Democratic Convention last month, sitting in the President's box. Denounce that Mr. Kerry!
John Kerry's cronies have been all over TV for months blaring the "Bush AWOL" myth. This past weekend was no exception. Denounce that Mr. Kerry!
The leaders of America Coming Together and the other anti-Bush groups have raised millions of dollars for Bush slamming ads. These very same leaders are prominent members of the Democratic Party. Denounce that Mr. Kerry!
You defamed all of those that served with honor in Vietnam. You labeled them as baby killers, murders and rapists. Denounce that Mr. Kerry!
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Tonight the latest news is that the kerry campaign is filing a request with Ashcroft for an investigation into the alligations that the Bush administration was directly involved with the SBVTs. Can you believe it? What gall he has.
posted on August 26, 2004 04:54:44 AM newyep, neroter, it has done that [blew his campaign out of the water]. Some polls like the LA Times poll are showing Bush ahead for the first time this year.
A 3 point lead (49 : 46 on the LA Times poll) is blowing his campaign out of the water?
OK....
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
posted on August 26, 2004 08:44:52 AM new
Convention starts this week, will probably see major shifts on all polls
That is not what is being posted on MSNBC. They are reporting 84% of the voting public has already chosen who they will vote for. They are also saying there will probably be no jump in the polls for Bush after the convention.
posted on August 26, 2004 09:44:44 AM new
Profe, I didnt mean blowing it out of the water in the sense of propelling either side's numbers. I meant in searing the Presidental nomination to the point where any other issues are almost obliterated!
If that is the effect of advertising for a nomination should have, I dont think even they knew or ever dreamed it was going to go there! Just implied it would seem there might be the tinniest bit of jealousy within moveon.org about that simple fact.
But who knows, maybe they have yet to produce something that will capture the media's [nation's] attention the way this thing has.
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edited to change my post from the nation's attention to the media's attention.
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[ edited by neroter12 on Aug 26, 2004 10:06 AM ]
posted on August 26, 2004 09:49:27 AM new
Logans, I thought of that myself yesterday. I imagine most DO already know who they are voting for already! But it doesnt mean that the small percentage or sway or swing voters have no consequence. Far as I can see from what they poll, the nation is very closly divided. So maybe that makes the swing vote all the more important? I dont know though with the electorial college, but I think who ever gets the Presidency sure would like to know they have the popular vote as well.
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posted on August 26, 2004 10:15:34 AM new
Neroter, I do agree that Bush and Kerry are campaigning for that swing vote since all polls show the two candidates splitting the vote at this time. I believe those "undecided voters" at this time is what will make the difference in the election. We are over two months away and the mudsling has gotten bad. I can only imagine what will happen in the next couple of months.
It will be interesting to see if we have a repeat of the 2000 election with the electoral college deciding the presidency.
In my opinion the entire presidential election process is to long. There is no reason to drag out the campaign for almost 18 months. The process should begin the November before the election. Have a primary in the spring where all states vote at the same time and the have the final election in November. I also am in favor of campaign reform with how much money each candidate should get and be allowed to spend.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 26, 2004 10:31:27 AM new
"It will be interesting to see if we have a repeat of the 2000 election with the electoral college deciding the presidency."
posted on August 26, 2004 10:33:37 AM new
In every other election before 2000 with the exception of two, the people chose the president (the popular vote) and the electoral college confirmed that fact.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
[ edited by logansdad on Aug 26, 2004 10:34 AM ]
posted on August 26, 2004 10:56:18 AM new
No they haven't. The electoral college is the one that chooses the president. But in every single election since the beginning of time with the exception of a few, the electoral college reaffirms what the people wanted.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 26, 2004 11:34:33 AM new
Clinton in 1996
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781450.html
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to: Re-elect President Bush!!!
[ edited by Linda_K on Aug 26, 2004 01:15 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2004 01:09:18 PM newclinton only got 46 or 47%
Please explain your math:
47,402,357 Clinton
39,198,755 Dole
8,085,402 Perot
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94,686,514
47,402,357 divided by 94,686,514 = .50062416491
According to the certified result Clinton's actual percenatge was 49%.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
[ edited by logansdad on Aug 26, 2004 01:20 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2004 01:22:38 PM new
profe says: 3% - okay.
Nope more like 5-6% when you figure that kerry was ahead of President Bush by 2-3% in most of the LA Times polls. According to what I read it was the first time this year President Bush polled ahead of kerry. That's great all by itself, imo.
Don't think a 5-6% decrease in his numbers is what got him threatening everyone's first amendmend rights, writing all those threatening letters to those who might consider letting the Vets voices be heard - either in print or on TV....threatening even the book publisher if they continued printing out more of their Unfit for Command books?
It would surprise me, profe, if you with kerry in that peoples voices should be silenced in America like kerry has tried to do.
Obviously at some point kerry realized the Swift Boat Vets WERE having an effect on his poll numbers....and probably not only in CA.
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"One thing is for sure: the extremists have faith in our weakness. And the weaker we are, the more they will come after us." --Tony Blair
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on August 26, 2004 01:24:23 PM newProfe, I didnt mean blowing it out of the water in the sense of propelling either side's numbers. I meant in searing the Presidental nomination to the point where any other issues are almost obliterated!
I didn't think you meant that, but apparently linda did. That's why I quoted her
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
posted on August 26, 2004 01:41:29 PM new
And the last president elected by a majority would be....?
Bush Sr.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781456.html
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on August 26, 2004 01:42:53 PM new
Bush leading kerry as of 08/26/04
As of 8/22/04 Kerry is ahead in the electoral college 311-227.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
[ edited by logansdad on Aug 26, 2004 01:45 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2004 02:52:31 PM new
Popular vote doesn't count at all in any presidential election and never has. The electoral college picks the winner. That's Final. If you don't like it, try to change it and see how far you get.
What gall he has.
