yellowstone
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:24:06 PM new
I have to admit that to me it seemed like Rudy Giuliani's speech started off kinda slow but as his speech developed he sure laid it all on the line and really said it like it is. A helluva speech.
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blairwitch
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:26:29 PM new
I thought tonight was very weak. Bashing kerry and 9/11 as expected. Hopefully arnold will be more entertaining.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:28:05 PM new
His speech was a joke.
Comparing Bush to WInston Churchill ???? Churchill never said WWII couldn't be won.
Bush sewed up a Kerry win this morning on the Today Show when the retard told the world that the war on terror can not be won.
What an incompetent fool we have in the White House.
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Twelvepole
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:30:58 PM new
Reamond you're sounding scared... kerry is starting to lose his convention surge... President Bush will ride this all the way for the next 4 years!
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:32:14 PM new
I was disappointed in Rudy and I was absolutely disgusted by the use of the 9-11 widows. I thought that McCain was very good.
The person I was watching with is an undecided voter with repubican leanings and just to give the reaction for that point of view, she said that the 9/11 widows left a bad taste in her mouth and struck her as tacky and exploitive.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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blairwitch
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:32:35 PM new
Kerry never got any surge.........but we dont know if bush will either. We should know in a few days.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:33:31 PM new
SURGE !!!
LMAO !!!
Just watch. All the talking heads are stunned by what Bush said on the Today Show. The conservatives are in shock !!!
THE WAR ON TERROR CAN NOT BE WON !!!!!
What an idiot !!!
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yellowstone
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:37:38 PM new
Fenix03
I beg to differ with you, it seemed to me that the 911 widows were not allowing themselves to be used. Instead they gave of their time and their heartfelt thoughts freely.
Do you think that if they felt the same as you that they would be USED that they would actually be there??
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:39:05 PM new
Reamond - did you think it could be won? terrorism is as old as civilization itself. The niave belief is ever believing that it could be won. How does one win a war on personal beliefs and a willingness to act upon them no matter the result.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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profe51
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:44:13 PM new
I'm done with McCain. Talk about a sell out....
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:45:03 PM new
Democrats should thank their pagan gods that the speeches weren't broadcast on network tv.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:46:46 PM new
Reamond - did you think it could be won? terrorism is as old as civilization itself. The niave belief is ever believing that it could be won. How does one win a war on personal beliefs and a willingness to act upon them no matter the result.
It sure can be won, but it can not be won in Iraq, nor can it be won with the policies of the current president.
Every enemy we have ever faced has had "personal beliefs and a willingness to act upon them no matter the result".
Compared to the Nazis and Japanese, al Qaeda is a small street gang.
Bush's tactics and strategies are what prevents being successful against terrorism.
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:47:31 PM new
Yellow - perhaps ypu forgot about the pledge on the part of the Republicans not to politicize 9/11 during the campaign. How does that pledge jibe with featuring the widows on the opening nightof their convention?
You may disagree all you want but the whole point of this week is to sway undecided voters and going against that pledge on night one was a bad decision. There was nothing to be gained and much to be lost be that move.
The bonehead move of the night award however goes to the Virginia delegates and their purple heart bandaids. How do you point an accusing finger at another as you yourself sit proudly mocking the medal?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:48:53 PM new
How exactly does one wage a war on the hearts and minds of men? And what is considered a win?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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yellowstone
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:51:49 PM new
I thought McCains talk was great, I especially liked what he said about the liar Michael Moore being disingenuous.
What did you expect Profe51, for McCain to get up there and lambast Bush, that's just nuts.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:52:02 PM new
How exactly does one wage a war on the hearts and minds of men? And what is considered a win?
For al Qaeda, extermination is the only way to defeat them.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:55:41 PM new
McCain calles Moore "disingenuous" as McCain attempts to support Bush ????
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profe51
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:56:00 PM new
Pagan gods??? What in the world does that mean bear? You wouldn't be suggesting that all Christians are Republicans would you? Or that all Republicans are Christians? You wouldn't be putting a religious slant on American politics would you? Of course not, nobody here would suggest you'd be that ignorant.
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
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drdolittle
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:57:14 PM new
Fenix, "After months of listening to the Republicans base their campaign on their singular ability to win the war on terror, the president now says we can't win the war on terrorism,
"Shame he didn't come to this realization til today. Quotes are all Bush: All mention winning the war on Terror....
LA Times, 4/27/2004. Cheney's address Monday kicked off what the Bush campaign was calling its "Winning the War on Terror Tour."
[The Hotline, April 28, 2004] From a Bush-Cheney campaign e-mail: "You are invited to an online chat with" ex-NYPD commish/ex-Iraq Interim Interior Minister Bernard Kerik on 4/29. "Kerik is hosting this chat as part of the Bush-Cheney '04 Winning the War on Terror Tour
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In one of many similar releases, the campaign said, Bush-Cheney '04 today launched the Winning the War on Terror Tour
Today's kick-off events in Michigan, New Hampshire and Ohio will coincide with the release of a new ad, "Weapons," that will air in various markets and on national cable stations.
Jul 30 2004
We have a clear vision on how to win the war on terror and bring peace to the world.
Aug 30 2004
"I don't plan on losing my job," Bush said during his first prime time news conference of the year. "I plan on telling the American people that I've got a plan to win the war on terror. And I believe they'll stay with me. They understand the stakes."
Sep 2002
Meanwhile, with military jets flying overhead, Bush on Wednesday vowed to win the war on terrorism as he and other US leaders paid tribute to victims of the September 11 attack on the Pentagon. Today we remember each life, we rededicate this proud symbol, and we renew our commitment to win the war that began here, Bush said in remarks to 13,500 people gathered in front of the Pentagon section destroyed by the attack, which was officially reopened Wednesday.
Jan 2002
Our war on terror is well begun, but it is only begun. This campaign may not be finished on our watch -- yet it must be and it will be waged on our watch.
We can't stop short. If we stop now -- leaving terror camps intact and terror states unchecked -- our sense of security would be false and temporary. History has called America and our allies to action, and it is both our responsibility and our privilege to fight freedom's fight. (Applause.)
Our first priority must always be the security of our nation, and that will be reflected in the budget I send to Congress. My budget supports three great goals for America: We will win this war; we'll protect our homeland; and we will revive our economy.
Apr 2003
"I want to thank our friends in Pakistan, I want to thank the agency ... the CIA, for working hard to continue to win the war against terror," said Mr Bush, who declared war on terrorism after the September 11, 2001 attacks.
"And make no mistake about it ... we will win the war against terror."
Jun 2003
One of the biggest challenges before the USA is to make sure that we continue to fight and win the war on terror, the President of the USA, Mr George W. Bush, said today.
William Niskanen article
In a speech in Cincinnati on October 7 2002, President George W. Bush asserted that "confronting the threat posed by Iraq is crucial to winning the war on terror". From the flight deck of the USS Abraham Lincoln on May 1 2003, Mr Bush argued that "the liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror". Most recently, in a mid-July joint press conference with Tony Blair, Mr Bush concluded that "the removal of Saddam Hussein is an integral part of winning the war against terror".
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profe51
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:57:22 PM new
McCain calles Moore "disingenuous" as McCain attempts to support Bush ????
Perfect call Reamond. The man's performance tonigh is a profound disappointment.
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Our `neoconservatives' are neither new nor conservative, but old as Bablyon
and evil as Hell." --Edward Abbey
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 08:58:15 PM new
But you have to admit prof, what Bush said this morning on the Today Show was a gift.
Is there a pagan god or saint for retards like Bush ?
St. George of the footinmouth ?
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yellowstone
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:02:08 PM new
Wait a minute here Profe51 when did Eag become Bear??
EAG are you posting with 2 id's now. 
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:02:33 PM new
1) I don't think they carry membership cards, hold conventions, or are citizens of a specific country, so again I ask how one declares a war on them.
2) AQ is far from the only terrorist organization. If one is to win a global war on terrorism it means that you must also defeat groups in Asia, in Russia, in South America, Etc and it means that we would have to declare a war on groups that have absolutely nothing to do with us.
I'm not sure who is more niave in this one Reamond -
a) Bush for ever making the statement in the first place
b) His staff for trying to spin the first honest statement that man has made on the subject.
c) You for mocking him for making it.
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[ edited by fenix03 on Aug 30, 2004 09:03 PM ]
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:03:11 PM new
Pagan gods??? What in the world does that mean bear? You wouldn't be suggesting that all Christians are Republicans would you? Or that all Republicans are Christians?
C'mon, it was just a joke!
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:07:11 PM new
1) I don't think they carry membership cards, hold conventions, or are citizens of a specific country, so again I ask how one declares a war on them.
They do have "membership" cards, but not in a literal sense. But are you so naive to think that they can not be identified ?
2) Aq is far from the only terrorist organization. If one is to win a global war on terrorism it means that you must also defeat groups in Asia, in Russia, in South America, Etc and it means that we would have to declare a war on groups that have absolutely nothing to do with us.
Al Qaeda is the ONLY terrorist group that attacked us on 9-11. This "global" war you talk about is Bush's misguided policy, not mine.
I'm not sure who is more niave in this one Reamond -
It would appear it is you. You have created a strawman argument that simply doesn't apply to the situation.
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drdolittle
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:08:00 PM new
The best way to deal with them is to bring them to justice in foreign lands before they hurt us again," Bush told the crowd crammed into a high school gym, drawing a lengthy standing ovation. "It means a full-scale offensive campaign ... and never yielding one inch to these people."
...war, from now on.
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Reamond
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:11:41 PM new
If we had applied all the manpower and resources in Iraq toward getting al Qaeda, the "war" on terror would be over by now.
Bush has made a huge strategic error.
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:32:13 PM new
Reamond - you just defeated yourself dearest. Your tunnel vision and hatred of anything arab has lead you to believe somehow that AQ is the only global terrorist organization. Bush did not declare a wr on AQ, he declared a war on terrorism and Terrorism is entity that exists far beyond the arab world. It does not take an organization to commit an act of terrorism, a single man can be just as efffective. So again I ask - how does one wage a war on the hearts and minds of men?
Bush was a complete idiot for ever making the claim that terrorism was something that could be eradicated. He finally got it... I wonder if you ever will?
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:41:08 PM new
Bush was a complete idiot for ever making the claim that terrorism was something that could be eradicated.
Isn't that what they said about Ronald Reagan and the Soviet Union?
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fenix03
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posted on August 30, 2004 09:52:46 PM new
The soviet Union was a country with a government and a specified doctrine - it was a tangible and readily identifable enemy.
Terrorism is a state of mind that requires absolutely nothing but a single willing individual, and they don't wear t-shirts.
Got any more fruit you want to try to compare?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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