posted on September 1, 2004 03:39:37 AM new
by Doreen Brandt
365Gay.com Newscenter
Washington Bureau
Posted: August 27, 2004 8:22 pm ET
(Washington) The Human Rights Campaign Friday launched an ad featuring Vice President Cheney that poignantly asks Federal Marriage Amendment supporters, "What if it were your child, Mr. President?"
At a campaign rally Aug. 24, the vice president restated his position that states should handle the question of marriage, signifying his opposition to putting discrimination in the Constitution.
"Like Senator Kerry, Vice President Cheney disagrees with the President on changing the Constitution," said HRC President Cheryl Jacques. "As more parents like the Cheneys speak out, it becomes untenable for President Bush and his congressional allies to use gay marriage as a political weapon. This amendment is discriminatory and divisive and it's time for the political games to end."
At the campaign rally n Davenport, Iowa, Vice President Cheney said: "Lynne and I have a gay daughter, so it's an issue our
family is very familiar with. With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is freedom means freedom for everyone ... People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to. The question that comes up with the issue of marriage is what kind of official sanction or approval is going to be granted by government? Historically, that's been a relationship that has been handled by the states. The states have made that fundamental decision of what constitutes a marriage."
The ad will air next week during the convention in New York media.
It features portions of Cheney's remarks on gay marriage and ends with an announcer saying "He spoke from the heart for millions of parents. Discrimination is wrong. What if it was your child, Mr. President?"
posted on September 1, 2004 06:01:28 AM new
The States are deciding... MO just did and next is LA
Cheney is not against homosexual relationships, he is against homosexual marriage... nothing new there.... only some POS homosexual org is twisting his words to make it sound like he would support such an abomination as homosexual marriage...
When the states do decide you will see that most do not favor homosexual marriage and pasing HR3313 will keep it that way.
They made a lifestyle choice that is against the norm of society... live with it but don't ask decent people to justify it... NO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE... let'em all live in MA until 2006 when MA passes their state constitution banning it...
I am waiting for CA to prosecute that mayor in SF for breaking the law...
posted on September 1, 2004 08:18:38 AM new
You notice how now they are clamoring to let the states handle it, however when the good people of MO spoke and did handle it... they didn't like that and I am betting that they will try some legal action, more is the reason to let your legislators know to support HR3313
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
posted on September 1, 2004 08:32:20 AM new
That is the way it is with the liberals, 12. They want it both ways.
In a sense, I can understand what VP Cheney is saying: however, even if one of my children, or grandchildren for that matter, came to me and said they were homosexual, I would still love them, still stand by them. i also would explain to them how wrong the lifestyle they have chosen is. But I would love them no matter what.
And if it is left up to the states, they would denounce homosexual "marriage" in a heart beat. However, with the horrific decision the SJC of Massachusetts, it now boils down to a Constitutional Amendment. When the court system is trying to legislate from the bench, the people really have to step foreword.
In Christ,
Rick
Genesis 1:1
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 1, 2004 08:39:30 AM newAnd if it is left up to the states, they would denounce homosexual "marriage" in a heart beat. However, with the horrific decision the SJC of Massachusetts, it now boils down to a Constitutional Amendment. When the court system is trying to legislate from the bench, the people really have to step foreword.
You conservatives don't like how the judges in MA interpreted the existing law so you are clamoring for a constitutional amendment. The judges did not make any new laws, they clarified the existing laws. It the MA government that did not like what they heard.
You straight have destroyed the concept of marriage for the past 40 years and now because others want the same rights granted to married couples you are the ones that are afraid.
When the court system is trying to legislate from the bench, the people really have to step foreword.
When you have a moron in the White House that wants to destroy the Constitution and use it for his own personal agenda, yes people have to take action and step forward.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 1, 2004 08:45:35 AM new
The federal constitution won't be changed... yet
However many states have handled the homosexual marriage issue and what it will come down to is that it will be the HOMSEXUALS asking for Federal intervention. However once HR3313 passes and signed... there will be no recourse, each state can will decide... but then homosexuals really don't want the people deciding, because they know they are not accepted...
posted on September 1, 2004 09:13:10 AM new
Read how they came to their "interpretation", logansdad. They used foreign law to come to their conclusions, not something that was pre-determined by US legislation.
In their rush to be politically correct, they have undermined the foundation of our nation. They relied on European law instead of what we have on the books.
And as to your comment about President Bush, if he's a "moron" as you suggest, he must be the smartest one there is. After all, he is the President of the most powerful nation on the earth.
In Christ,
Rick
Leviticus 18: 1-29
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 1, 2004 09:14:16 AM new
Hopefully..... LA will be next.
Lawyers there have been working fast and furiously to find any reason that the gay marriage issue should *not be allowed on their ballots*. One judge has ruled it will go on their ballots, another one has yet to decide.
posted on September 1, 2004 09:20:35 AM newThey used foreign law to come to their conclusions, not something that was pre-determined by US legislation.
And should kerry be elected [heaven forbid] we're going to see more and more of those kind of rulings coming from the liberal judges.....as kerry likes to tell everyone...he's a Internationalist.
posted on September 1, 2004 11:18:52 AM new
LOL logansdad - Arnold and I disagree with that statement. He stated, last night in his speech at the RNC convention, it's not true and all we need to do to prove that is look at how many people dream of coming to live in the US. They see it as the land of opportunity...of hope for a better life...etc.
It's just a poor leftie tactic [position] to project the *people* of different countries necessarily feel the same way their current leaders feel.
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"The War on Terror will not be won until America is united. And as long as Democrats target the Bush administration -- not the terrorists -- as the enemy, we are in trouble." --Oliver North
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Those are only two reasons why we need to:
posted on September 1, 2004 11:33:32 AM newThey used foreign law to come to their conclusions, not something that was pre-determined by US legislation.
In their rush to be politically correct, they have undermined the foundation of our nation. They relied on European law instead of what we have on the books.
The judges used the laws that were on the books at the time:
The court said denying gay couples the right to marry "is incompatible with the constitutional principles of respect for individual autonomy and equality under law."
"Whether and whom to marry, how to express sexual intimacy, and whether and how to establish a family -- these are among the most basic of every individual's liberty and due process rights," the majority opinion said. "And central to personal freedom and security is the assurance that the laws will apply equally to persons in similar situations.
"Barred access to the protections, benefits and obligations of civil marriage, a person who enters into an intimate, exclusive union with another of the same sex is arbitrarily deprived of membership in one of our community's most rewarding and cherished institutions," the opinion said.
The law was on the books for over 200 years. The people of MA could have done something back in the late 80's or 90's to change the law then. It is only after the judges interpreted the law, did it become a problem.
Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney said the state Legislature would comply with the court's ruling "even if we don't agree with it."
They would comply. If that was the case he would not be pushing for an amendment to state constitution.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 1, 2004 11:58:37 AM newHe stated, last night in his speech at the RNC convention, it's not true and all we need to do to prove that is look at how many people dream of coming to live in the US. They see it as the land of opportunity...of hope for a better life...etc.
It's just a poor leftie tactic [position] to project the *people* of different countries necessarily feel the same way their current leaders feel.
I don't by that answer. People can come to the US to escape the harsh conditions of where they live. That does not mean they instantly think the U.S. is so great. Besides how many of those people coming to "the land of opportunity" are here legally and can vote.
If the Iraqi people hated living under Saddam they could have just left for America since America is the land of opportunity.
Most other countries do not think highly of the US nor of the President. We are perceived as a bully and greedy for oil.
The Pew poll was conducted before the Madrid bombings.
Only 14 percent of Germans, 15 percent of French, 28 percent of Russians and 7 percent of Pakistanis polled viewed Bush favorably. Britons, at 39 percent, had the most-enthusiastic view among foreigners. In 1991, 75 percent of Germans and 72 percent of Russians had a favorable view of President George H.W. Bush, the current president's father.
Views of the United States were somewhat higher, although Britain was the only country where a majority had a favorable impression. In 2002, Russia, Germany and France had majorities supportive of the United States. Americans themselves continued to be viewed favorably by people in Britain, France, Germany and Russia, but not by those in the Muslim countries.
While Britain and Russia continued to support the U.S. fight against terrorism, support has dropped sharply in France and Germany, where 50 percent and 55 percent, respectively, favor U.S. anti-terrorism efforts. Support in the Muslim world has improved but remains low.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 1, 2004 02:56:03 PM new
LOL yep Happy Marriage Day Fresno... applause for Mayor of Bakersfield also... what homosexual would think "gay pride" would go in Bakersfield... LOL Buck Owens owns that town...
posted on September 1, 2004 02:58:37 PM new
Logansdad obviously you have no idea what comply means.... it does not mean that people cannot try to change what has happend because the courts failed them...
I say again people in the US, DO NOT ACCEPT HOMSEXUALITY... this marriage issue will bring down kerry... watch and see, well more than he is already sinking...
posted on September 2, 2004 03:03:41 AM new
Linda honey,
That's too bad if you don't like my threads. If they are offensive to you, then don't contribute to them. Again, it's too bad if you don't like my threads. If I want to, I will start 10 gay related threads a day. OK?
Also, just think. Someday Bush might be riding a horse on his ranch and the horse might be spooked and throw him. He might land on his head and become brain dead, (medically), then Cheney would be the prez.
CC says,
however, even if one of my children, or grandchildren for that matter, came to me and said they were homosexual, I would still love them, still stand by them. i also would explain to them how wrong the lifestyle they have chosen is.
It seems to me the in the thread How does Gay Marriage Hurt Anyone, you indicated that God MADE you straight. Now you are claiming that there is a possibly that one of your children or grand children may choose to be gay. Now, if God made you straight, and God creates all people, then would God create Gay Americans too? You can't have it both ways.
So, I ask you again. Did you choose to be straight, or was it just natural for you? Do you have enough courage to answer that question. I am not interested in your interpretation of anything in the bible either.
They used foreign law to come to their conclusions, not something that was pre-determined by US legislation.
So tell us, which country and which law did they draw from to create this law? I am really interested in your answer on this one. Have you been watching too much of Pat Robertson recently?
Also, Bush might be the most the prez of the most powerful nation in the world, but in recent months, also, the LEAST RESPECTED too. He has an image of a bully, a lose cannon.
Linda,
The Michigan Board of Canvassers refused to allow the anti gay marriage amendment on the MI ballot. Too bad if you don't like my thread.
And finally, I agree with Logan. What are you neocons trying to save marriage from? I don't understand. Straight men and women have RUINED MARRIAGE AS WE KNOW IT. Stop trying to prevent others from having an equal chance at the benefits of marriage. Stop being BIGOTS! You don't own the civil rights of other people. You might think you do, but in reality you don't.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 2, 2004 06:16:40 AM new
God create Gay Americans too?
Yeager, God only created Gay Europeans. He didn't create Gay Americans. That was Halston's idea.
First God created all of us in his image. So if God is so against homosexuality then why did "He create it"?
If the Bible Thumpers take everything out of the bible so literally, you have to remember abortion is against what the Bible preaches. I don't hear Bush and Company proposing a constitutional amendment banning abortion. I don't see politicians outlawing abortion so that the Supreme Court has no chance to overturn a law.
Nothing but scared bigots these politicians are.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 2, 2004 06:34:57 AM new
Why pick on Linda yeager?
How many times do you and logansdad need to be told homosexuality is wrong? it was the wrong choice for someone to make in thier lives, it should never be accepted or tolerated... leave it in the closet...
I have asked you this and you and others refuse to answer
If homosexuality is so acceptable, why the all of the anti-marriage votes? Do you really think if homosexuality was accepted that people would give a rats ass if homosexuals got married... this is a way for people to show their disdain for that deviant behavior ( no different than beastialty) and it is showing... the states will decide the issue and most states will not allow that abomination to come to thier state.
La is next, Sept 18th is the election day and many others on Nov 2nd... you will see it all over the country homosexuals will be allowed to marry in a few liberal states, I don't see them reaping any great benefit from it... actually they may regret it.
Cheney does not support homosexual marriage... but as usual you ignore that FACT.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:37:41 AM newIf the Bible Thumpers take everything out of the bible so literally
BTW, did anyone else notice that the inscription on Reagan's tomb directly contradicts the bible and a basic tenet of christianity ?
Cheney and the majority of republicans are fiscal republicans. They play the religious right for suckers year after year. Some of them are telling their fellow religious republicans to stay home this election.
Having all these pro choice and pro same sex marriage speakers in prime time at the RNC is having its effect.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:57:35 AM newCheney does not support homosexual marriage... but as usual you ignore that FACT.
Cheney has never officially made a statement saying he personally supports or does not support gay marraige. AND HE WILL NOT. Based on his comments that he has made I think he is more in favor of it than you want to believe.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:57:50 AM new
Excuse me:
Homosexuality is a SIN! God did not create it: it is a result of man's degradation and wanting to do things his own way.
As to abortion, every time a state has tried to set any type of limit on it, the SC has shot it down. By trying to end the farce of homosexual "marriage" early, before it begins to look like the sham that abortion has become.
And logansdad, you seem to be so hung up on everyone being a bigot you are not seeing things clearly. You wish to promote your lifestyle, one that will end up costing this country dearly. Show me where homosexuality has done any good for a nation that embraces it. Show me any of the positives of homosexuality: how you procreate (oh yes, you need either heterosexuals to do the work, or you need to donate sperm to a willing woman). Where will the workforce of the future come from? How will we stop lifestyle spread STD's? How will your choice affect our children's children's lives?
You seem to think that your chosen lifestyle is all peaches and cream. However, not only is it Biblically wrong, it is an abhorrent lifestyle.
Yes, I did say if one of my children choose to be homosexual I would still love them, but I also said I would explain where that choice of lifestyle is wrong, and how, in the end, it will only lead to their destruction.
In Christ,
Rick
Psalm 22:26-31
"I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
C.S. Lewis: "Mere Christianity"
posted on September 2, 2004 07:58:38 AM new
If Cheney did come out and say he supports gay marriage it would go against everything Bush has said the past four years.
As a Republican what would you do if he said he did support gay marriage?
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
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