posted on September 1, 2004 04:03:11 PM new
About damn time - if this had been any other person the charges would have been dropped as soon as the second semen sample showed up in DNA testing.
Idiots!
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posted on September 1, 2004 05:01:30 PM new
Damn right. Promiscuous women can't be raped. Any woman who has sex before or after being raped has nothing to complain about.
posted on September 1, 2004 05:03:46 PM new
I still have to ask what she thought was going to happen when going to a man's hotel room at night especially after drinking? A little common sense should have prevailed here. I, for one, am glad the charges were dropped. She seemed a bit of an opportunist, IMO.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
posted on September 1, 2004 05:06:43 PM new
Reamond - how many women do you know that would stop and screw their boyfriend on the way to the police after being raped?
Please! She is a money hungry lying little wench that was just waiting for the pay-off. Kobe called her bluff and she folded. I just hope he counter sues in the civil case and leaves her bankrupt for life.
Sorry - but that little girl was a slap in the face to every woman that really has suffered thru a rape.
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posted on September 1, 2004 05:07:32 PM new
It might have taken ME a while, at least after finding someone else to do it with, to realize he really did have money. (IF I was drunk and a real slutbag.)
posted on September 1, 2004 06:20:49 PM new
About time. This case should have been thrown out long ago. A real rape victim doesn't go about bragging about having it on with a celebrity afterwards as some of her friends said she did. And I highly doubt they'd be all that eager to have intercourse with someone else within hours of the event, either.
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posted on September 1, 2004 06:36:33 PM new
Although it was consensual I have to feel bad for the wife of the acuser and the parents of the young girl that also had to be dragged through it. It will never be forgotten. She still has an option to sue him in civil court but I doubt she will. The prosecution, who you should be able to trust, really made all the bad mistakes and that is who she lost her trust to.
This happened in a high profile case in Wisconsin. The male was found innocent but the damage was done a career lost. It was and is a no win situation for both parties in both cases.
posted on September 1, 2004 06:46:15 PM new
I fault the prosecutor most in this case. Kobe Bryant was certainly not a flight risk so there was no need for a quick charge before evidence could be examined more carefully.
posted on September 1, 2004 07:37:24 PM newReamond - how many women do you know that would stop and screw their boyfriend on the way to the police after being raped?
According to the experts it is not uncommon for a rape victim to immediately seek consensual sex in which they are in control. It is also common for the victim to wait to tell the police.
So Fenix-- how does having sex after being raped allow us to conclude that no rape occurred ?
We are making an assumption based on thin air about this young lady.
posted on September 1, 2004 07:52:40 PM new
I hope none of you women or any of your daughters/ grand daughters are raped by a millionaire that will use his money to assasinate her character after he rapes her, and then have all of her personal medical records "accidently" leaked to the public.
Bryants defence attorney also "accidently" used the victims name every chance she could in open court. I hope she and none of her daughters have anything like this happen to them, but then again what comes around goes around.
I do not know for certain if she was raped, but I do know this; she didn't get fair treatment which resulted in her not getting her day in court.
posted on September 1, 2004 08:52:36 PM new
Read it Reamond and then us again how it was the defense that is at fault.
Basketball rape case collapses
Julian Borger in New York
Thursday September 2, 2004
The Guardian
A sexual assault case against one of America's top basketball stars, Kobe Bryant, was suddenly dropped last night after the prosecution case crumbled.
Lawyers for Mr Bryant's accuser said they would continue to pursue a civil case against him, according to CNN, but legal experts said that any civil proceedings had been significantly undermined by the collapse of the criminal case.
Jeremy Toobin, a legal analyst for CNN, said the prosecution case " has been a fiasco and disaster ... you have to look at incompetence on the part of the prosecutors."
Mr Bryant was accused of sexually assaulting an employee of a Colorado hotel where he was a guest. The 26-year-old, who plays for the Los Angeles Lakers, admitted having sex with the woman but said it was consensual. DNA evidence showed she had sex with another man soon after Mr Bryant.
No Reamond I think you have it all wrong. Girls do not have sex after they have been raped although I can't speak from experience only from what I read.
posted on September 1, 2004 09:08:17 PM new
The case "crumbled" because the girl said she would not testify.
The defence used every dirty trick in the book to cause the girl to refuse to testify.
BTW, The DNA evidence that she had sex after the rape is disputed as to exactly what the DNA showed and exactly how and when it was deposited.
But if the civil case procedes, the evidence will be better vetted.
The bottom line is that the girl was not treated fairly and that resulted in her not getting her day in court.
Assumimg she did have sex after being raped, that does not mean that she was not raped. According to experts, it would not be uncommon for a rape victim to immediately seek out consenual sex in which she was in control.
Too many people decided this case based solely on the proposition that she had sex with someone after she was raped.
And everybody is now an expert on how everyone would act after they were raped.
It's a throw back to the old boy saying that you can't rape a whore.
posted on September 1, 2004 09:15:47 PM new
I agree, this case should've been thrown out a long time ago. But I do think Kobe should be thrown in jail for cheating on his beautiful wife. Especially with this crazy ho. What was he thinking? That's like trading in a Ferrari for a Ford Taurus that isn't even running right.
"Although it was consensual I have to feel bad for the wife of the acuser"
Colorado has a ban on gay marriage
Reamond
"We are making an assumption based on thin air about this young lady."
Lets see - she stayed after work to check him in, put him in a room on the opposite side of the resort from his security people, sent text messages afterwards that the prosecuter desperately tried to keep out, left and slept with someone else, filed a civil suit prior to crminal case and then refused to testify. We are right... and if she was a Bush daughter, you would be singing a whole different tune so lets be real.
You seem to be selectively ignoring the fact that the prosecution admitted months ago that their case was falling apart.
::But I do think Kobe should be thrown in jail for cheating on his beautiful wife. ::
Don't feel to bad for her EAG. She's a spoiled rotten brat, widely disliked among the other players wives and not only did she get the huge rock after this story broke.. the prenup got ripped up.
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posted on September 1, 2004 10:31:51 PM new
Opps! sorry fenix it should have said accused. I usually read my posts over before I send them but that was sure a slip.
posted on September 1, 2004 11:11:10 PM new
I know - I `was just having a litle good natured fun
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posted on September 2, 2004 07:05:59 AM new
Living here in my cave, I had never heard of Kobe until this case came up. So I did not have a preconceived notion about whether he was a "good guy" or a "bad guy."
I do remember being struck intially by how many people close to him seemed to be sticking up for him. And my first instinct was that the accuser was just looking for money. But now I've read that he wrote an apology, that said something to the effect that he understood now why she didn't think it was consensual. I just don't understand why or how a man who truly felt it was a consensual act would write such an apology.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:21:41 AM newLets see - she stayed after work to check him in, put him in a room on the opposite side of the resort from his security people, sent text messages afterwards that the prosecuter desperately tried to keep out, left and slept with someone else, filed a civil suit prior to crminal case and then refused to testify.
None of this is dispositive of whether she was raped or not. None of provides any evidence whether or not she was raped.
We are right... and if she was a Bush daughter, you would be singing a whole different tune so lets be real.
The Bush daughters would deserve fair treatment too. I know none of the participants in this case. For all we know the girl and her whole family are republicans, and Bryant may be a democrat.
You seem to be selectively ignoring the fact that the prosecution admitted months ago that their case was falling apart.
You're wrong, they did not. And in fact, at the press conference to drop the charges, the prosecution said clearly that the ONLY reason the case would be dropped is because the victim no longer wanted to testify.
But how any of us see the evidence, the issue is the fair treatment of a rape victim.
posted on September 2, 2004 07:27:59 AM newBryant's statement
"I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year," the statement said. "Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado.
"Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did."
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"I just don't understand why or how a man who truly felt it was a consensual act would write such an apology." "Anybody else have any thoughts about that?"
Cherishedclutter, It was explained by a lawyer on Court TV that the statement by Bryant was part of a negotiated end to the case. In other words, by signing the statement, Kobe avoided a possible finding of guilty by a jury.
posted on September 2, 2004 08:06:06 AM new
::You're wrong, they did not. And in fact, at the press conference to drop the charges, the prosecution said clearly that the ONLY reason the case would be dropped is because the victim no longer wanted to testify.::
I was referring to the statements they made in chambers during pretrial which were included in the transcripts that were accidentaly emailed to the press.
As for what the prosecuter said in the press conference...what in the world did you expect them to say... "Our witness has decided not to testify which is just as as well anyway because, despite the millions of tax payers dollars we have spent so far, we really did not have a winnable case."?
Why did she pull out of the criminal case Reamond? Certainly it is not because she does not want to testify about the incident because she is going forward with the civil case. Could it be because a loss in criminal court would spell disaster for her civil case?
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posted on September 2, 2004 08:38:39 AM newI was referring to the statements they made in chambers during pretrial which were included in the transcripts that were accidentaly emailed to the press.
What would you expect them to say in trying to convince a judge to rule in their favor ? Prosecution and defence lawyers will say that the heavens will fall if the judge doesn't rule in their favor.
As for what the prosecuter said in the press conference...what in the world did you expect them to say... "Our witness has decided not to testify which is just as as well anyway because, despite the millions of tax payers dollars we have spent so far, we really did not have a winnable case."?
I would expect the prosecution to drop the case when the victim becomes an unwilling witness. The prosecution could have dropped the case anytime they wished, if your position were correct.
Why did she pull out of the criminal case Reamond? Certainly it is not because she does not want to testify about the incident because she is going forward with the civil case. Could it be because a loss in criminal court would spell disaster for her civil case?
Losing a criminal case has minimal effect on a civil case - Just ask OJ Simpson. In fact some jurors in a civil case that see how unfair the victim was treated in the criminal case will seek to rectify the situation in the civil case. The standards for evidence and findings are very different in a civil trial and Bryant would be forced to take the stand. She dropped the case because of all the rules meant to protect the victim were broken. She was victimized twice.
But I'll make a prediction about the civil case--- Bryant will settle out of court considering the public statement he made about the criminal case.
posted on September 2, 2004 08:47:35 AM new
Ya know, if Kobe wasn't such a loose slut, spreading his "good will" all over the place not to mention maybe spreading disease, none of this would've happened.
He's a pig who obviously drops his pants all the time.
He wife is an idiot who WILL one day end up with killer case of HIV, or other STD..
