posted on September 18, 2004 11:13:39 PM newCanadian Province Legalizes Gay Marriage
WINNIPEG, Manitoba (AP) -- Manitoba became the fourth Canadian province to legalize same-sex marriage when a judge on Thursday declared the province's current definition of marriage unconstitutional.
Justice Douglas Yard's ruling came in response to a lawsuit filed last month by three couples, arguing that the definition of marriage as a union between a man and a woman was contrary to the equality provision in the charter.
"The traditional definition of marriage in Manitoba is reformulated to mean a voluntary union for life of two persons," Yard ruled.
Courts legalized gay marriage in the provinces of British Columbia, Ontario and Quebec in 2003 and in the Yukon territory in July.
The news was greeted by cheers and hugs among the couples and their supporters. Lobby groups say they expect the first same-sex wedding in Manitoba by the end of the week.
The case marks the first time the federal government has not opposed a same-sex marriage lawsuit. The government has recently asked the nation's high court to spell out what authority it does have in the regulation of marriage.
The Canadian changes come as several U.S. states wrestle with the issue. Massachusetts' top court recently allowed same-sex weddings but the issue has run into legal disputes elsewhere.
posted on September 19, 2004 04:48:58 AM new
Good news!
I'm going to make one comment in this thread and that's all. All I've heard is people say it's wrong, I don't believe in it, God says it's wrong. Blah, blah, blah. I haven't heard anyone say exactly how gay marriage is going to adversly effect their lives. Will it cause you illness? Will you lose your home? Will your marriage break up? Will the hand of God come down and strike you? Will you lose your job? Will you life fall apart? I think the answer to all those questions is, "NO".
If some of you would spend more time worrying about what your own lives and less worrying about other's lives, you'd be far happier people.
It is written in the Bible, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". As Judge Hatchett has said, "Don't get me testifying in here".
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
[ edited by CBlev65252 on Sep 19, 2004 04:49 AM ]
posted on September 19, 2004 06:39:08 AM new
You notice how most of your "good" news is in Canada... you are right, I don't really care what they do there...
posted on September 19, 2004 07:01:04 AM newI haven't heard anyone say exactly how gay marriage is going to adversly effect their lives. Will it cause you illness? Will you lose your home? Will your marriage break up? Will the hand of God come down and strike you? Will you lose your job? Will you life fall apart? I think the answer to all those questions is, "NO".
This question has been asked in many ways. But if we go on your way of viewing this issue....then would any of these things cause all of the above to happen to you either? NO!!
A person who beats his wife or children.
A person who molests his children....or promotes child pornography.
A person who murdered somebody.
A person who holds up a bank.
A person who burnt down someones house.
A person who sells liquor to underaged children.
A person who sells drugs.
A person who enjoys having sex out in public....or peeping in peoples windows.
A person, who in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with their pet.
I could go on and on...but think you get the picture. NONE of those actions that others have taken affect MY day-to-day life nor cause any of the above mentioned consequences to happen to me either.
posted on September 19, 2004 07:38:13 AM new
Didn't see that twelve. I'll check it out.
But this continued...how does it affect your life is nonsense....pure and simple. We're talking about laws that have always set our nation's moral tone. Always.
posted on September 19, 2004 11:27:33 AM new
Some people just embrace the deterioration of our society. Others, like Cheryl, think it just makes sense to fiddle while Rome burns.
Although the great unwashed of the liberal persuasion pooh-pooh tradition and ridicule the guidance found in religion, there are societal imperatives that drive the establishment of rituals and moral guidelines. When traditions and moral guidelines fall to the wayside in favor of hedonism and 'tolerance' of aberrations, history teaches us that this is a prime indicator of the decline of a society and it's particular way of life.
The subject of 'gay' marriage is an example of a segment of our society persistently chipping away at the foundation of our culture. If Homosexuals were to accept a civil union equivalent of marriage, a majority of American's would probably be in approval. The question you must ask yourself is why they steadfastly demand that they want the right to redefine marriage? Especially if the real issue appears, now, to be a matter of nomenclature and the redefinition of a mainstream word. IMHO, this goes beyond the issue of marriage and the alteration of societal norms. Why are so many people, innocently and not so innocently, hell-bent on accelerating the deterioration of our society, which ultimately leads to collapse? Maybe they are avant garde enough to rise or fall with the tides of change, but the brittle structure of society is not.
So much for inclusion in our culture, liberals call these people nasty names for not being as adaptable as they. More to the point, they are enabling Islamic culture by making it more attractive to those seeking the stability of tradition and unchanged guidelines. Thus, if the attacks of yammering hedonists and the perditions of pedophiles masquerading as priests succeed in de-constructing our cultural bedrock, Islam becomes the refuge of the majority.
posted on September 19, 2004 11:48:09 AM new
A person who beats his wife or children.
A person who molests his children....or promotes child pornography.
A person who murdered somebody.
A person who holds up a bank.
A person who burnt down someones house.
A person who sells liquor to underaged children.
A person who sells drugs.
A person who enjoys having sex out in public....or peeping in peoples windows.
A person, who in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with their pet.
WHETHER THE ABOVE ARE DONE COMMITTED BY A PRIEST, DOCTOR, LAWYER, POLITICIAN, MAN, WOMAN OR CHILD - GAY, STRAIGHT, BI-SEXUAL, POLYGAMIST, THESE PEOPLE WILL BE PUNISHED BY THE POLICE.
What kind of sexual acts are done in the privacy of your own home are not punishable. That is what we are talking about here and those religious conservatives forget that point. The supreme court already has ruled on this issue and has said that people have the right to sexual privacy. IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO BE GAY AND YOU CAN NOT BE PUNISHED JUST ON YOUR SEXUALITY ALONE.
If you want to be dipped in honey and covered in chocolate while your spouse licks you from head to toe, it will not have any effect on any one else as long as you do it in your own home. When it comes to sex people have their own fetishes. Some may be mainstream while some bizarre, but everyone does have them and will continue to do it whether it is legal or illegal.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 11:55:24 AM new
BUT YOU ARE NOT LEAVING IN THE BEDROOM, BY GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE!
See I can yell to...
That's the whole problem you are not leaving it in the bedroom, people don't like homosexuals and they are not going to support homosexual marriage... you people had a chance to have civil unions, but now the backlash has begun...
posted on September 19, 2004 12:05:30 PM newBUT YOU ARE NOT LEAVING IN THE BEDROOM, BY GOING TO THE COURTHOUSE!
What a lame excuse.... So any breeders caught making out in public should also be arrested then...they are bringing their sexuality out in public for some "poor innocent child" to see.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 01:01:59 PM new
Excellent post, parklane. As usual, very well stated.
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logansdad - My short list above, are all behavior issues where restrictions/limits have been placed into law by the people. None of them change any of OUR personal daily lives. But they were put into law to have limits on what we think should and shouldn't be allowed in our society. Same thing is going on with the gay marriage issue.
posted on September 19, 2004 01:51:27 PM new
Damn the moron is starting to understand...
Heterosexuality is OK, homosexuality is NOT OK...
NO IT IS MORE LIKE THE VILLAGE IDIOT WHO HAS AN IQ OF A BABY THAT JUST POPS OUT OF THE UTERUS AND HAS NOT HAD ANY SEXUAL CONTACT WITH ANYONE SINCE HE WAS 30 DOES NOT GET.
WHO LEFT YOU IN CHARGE TO DECIDE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG. THAT IS WHAT YOU DO NOT GET AND WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND IN THAT PEA-SIZED BRAIN OF YOURS.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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[ edited by logansdad on Sep 19, 2004 01:51 PM ]
posted on September 19, 2004 01:58:07 PM newBut they were put into law to have limits on what we think should and shouldn't be allowed in our society. Same thing is going on with the gay marriage issue.
You fail to see tha point Linda. The things you mentioned were deemed wrong for a reason and deemed wrong by the courts. HAVING SEX WITH A PERSON OF THE SAME SEX IS NOT ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE SURPREME COURT. You are trying to compare apples to oranges. You are comparing something that the courts have deemed to be illegal (robbing a bank) to something that is not illegal (gay sex).
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 02:32:30 PM new
Boy...more and more lefties are getting so upset...they're screaming now.
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You fail to see tha point Linda.
Funny, I believe the same about you. There are two different issues being discussed. One is gay sex...the other is gay marriage.
The things you mentioned were deemed wrong for a reason and deemed wrong by the courts. HAVING SEX WITH A PERSON OF THE SAME SEX IS NOT ILLEGAL ACCORDING TO THE SURPREME COURT.
Again....no need to start screaming. Doesn't make the point any more clear...just gets your own blood pressure going up.
I'm talking about gay marriage. Marriage...marriage. It is not lawful for gays to marry. [excptn-Mass]
You are comparing something that the courts have deemed to be illegal (robbing a bank) to something that is not illegal (gay sex). Gay marriage is illegal...excptn -Mass. just as those other laws are. That's why those marriages that took place by those activist judges have all been annuled/voided. They're not legal.
posted on September 19, 2004 04:07:04 PM new
The two in my opinion are related: gay sex and gay marriage. Both happen in the privacy of one's home.
You still do not see the point. You feel gay marriage is wrong because of what the picture it conjures up. When you think of gay marriage you picture two people of the same sex engaged in sexual activity.
You equate one with the other. That is why you have a problem with the gay marriage issue. [Go ahead say it, now I can read your mind and know what you are thinking LOL]
Since gay sex is not illgeal there is no valid point why two consenting adults who love each other should not be allowed to marry. So far all we heard are excuses in my opinion.
If I am wrong Linda, then what about a gay marriage turns you off (besides all the religious and moral issues). Is it because you can picture two guys or two women in a loving relationship raising a child or is the thought of those two people out in public showing signs of affection toward each other in the same way a straight couple would? [There I go again trying to picture what goes on in Linda's mind ]
I would also love to hear your opinion on how gay marriage leads to the destruction of society vs how abortion or the death penalty lead to the destruction of society.
Of the three I believe gay marriage is the less dangerous of the three.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 05:33:00 PM newGay marriage is illegal...excptn -Mass. just as those other laws are. That's why those marriages that took place by those activist judges have all been annuled/voided. They're not legal.
Fine, we will stick to the topic of gay marriage and not gay sex. Now that is it legal in Mass. why should it be made illegal? The so called "activist judges" interpreted the existing laws on the books. They did not creat any new laws. People did get to choose. When marriage was originally defined in Mass. it did not specifically exclude gays from getting married. So why now should the people be allowed to vote again to exclude gays from marriage? Why do the politicians want to ban it. How has it affected society?
Prostitution is not legal in any state except in certain parts of Nevada. There is always an exception to the rule.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 19, 2004 05:35:27 PM new
it is against the will of the people logansdad... the good people of MA did not have a say in the matter and when the laws were inacted, homosexuality was not something accepted out of the closet... just as some people accept homosexuals out in the street... it changed, also the laws need to change to cover homosexuals...
posted on September 19, 2004 07:48:26 PM newthe good people of MA did not have a say in the matter and when the laws were inacted,
So every single law that is passed in every single state needs to be voted on by the people? The people of MA did not have a problem with the law for the past 100 years. If they did they should have voted earlier to change it.
Did you vote on your states original definition of marriage before it was changed?
I never got to vote on the gay marriage issue here in Illinois.
I never got to cast my vote on abortion or the death penalty.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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[ edited by logansdad on Sep 19, 2004 07:58 PM ]
posted on September 19, 2004 08:03:42 PM new
logansdad - I'm going to end my participation in this thread with this very long post.
I don't hold hate for you or any other homosexual in my heart. I believe all of our actions will be settled between ourselves and our creator when we die.
One thing I wished you'd quit doing is telling me how I see things. Like when you say, "When you think of this...you see that". etc.
On the abortion issue - your posts appear to me to be assuming I am all for abortion, I'm not. Death penalty - ...I support it. I believe that there are just some people who can't be allowed to return to our society because of their prior behavior.
My position on gay sex and gay marriage.
When I was younger, gays just kept their relationships to themselves, private. I didn't approve of the behavior - I believe it's against the laws of man and God. But I fell in with the 'live and let live crowd' mind think. Leave them alone...what harm are they doing to anyone.
Then the first out-breaks of aids. At that time no one knew what was causing aids and why only gay men were affected. As time progressed I was very disheartened by the actions of the gay community. Quarantine was suggested...until they got a handle on what was causing this to spread...they fought that. Health officials wanted to have a list of those infected to study how it was being spread...the gays opposed that. Wanted no restrictions on them at all. Bathhouses were being closed right and left...they screamed about that.
Well, I lived in the time when people who contracted TB were placed in sanitariums. When people who developed polio were placed in hospital settings until they were no longer contagious to the general public. Gay groups/people appeared to me to not be very concerned about the public health at all - didn't want their pleasures restricted. It was all about them...not what could happen if this disease continued to spread. I resented that behavior. I believed it was not in our society's best interest to not quarantine the infected.
I was upset with politicians who weren't concerned more for public safety/health than they were 'playing politics'.
Over the years the gays continued pushing their agenda, aids continue to spread to more and more people and the gay movement started putting me 'off'. It was no longer just 'allow me to be me'...but then they were demanding changes. Their actions and agenda, starting hurting things I valued...groups I support. They demanded groups accept them into their fold/groups...taking funding away from groups I judge do tremendously valuable work for our society. All for their own [read me..me.me] pleasures. Not concerned about those being hurt by their actions...no their agenda was and still is their only concern.
I frequently was in San Francisco and some of what I observed there and heard about things going on there, truly disgusted me. [not meant to be mean or hurtful to you just expressing my own true feelings.]
After all these years I still don't approve of that lifestyle - I waver on the fence about gay adoption....but now I feel we're being pushed too far with. What changed my 'life and let live' attitude? The aggressive way the gays started 'demanding' 'pushing' their lifestyle down my throat, like some say they feel about how some religious people behave. Wanting me and others to be forced to accept and *approve* of their alternative lifestyle when it goes against every cell in my body. Wanting to change what 'getting married' has always represented to our society. Marriage has always been a strong support system and structure of our Nation. And yes, the institution of marriage is having major problems. That doesn't mean we need to support the continuing un-importance that it plays in our society by further making it less valued.
I don't like that our school children are being taught that homosexual behavior is normal - that transvite behavior is normal....or to reimforce the 'anything goes attitude'...that's doesn't strengthen our society...it futher weakens the morals of our society, imho.
I don't in anyway mean to imply that children should be raised to hate others who are different than they are...we need to teach them to accept others who are different - to live side by side with them. But by the same token that doesn't mean we have to approve/codone the behaviors we believe are wrong.
I have never felt I'm better than *any* other person...gays, blacks etc....never... and we didn't raise our sons that way either. I've never felt superior to anyone. That's not the place in me where my opposition to gay marriage comes from...it's in my belief system, my own personal moral gauge.
So...fire away. But that's how I feel and see the gay marriage issue. No amount of insults is going to change my values nor my morals...no matter who thinks they're wrong.
posted on September 20, 2004 06:23:01 AM new
I had a feeling you would avoid most of points above since you can not come up with any valid reason why gay marriage should be outlawed.
When I was younger, gays just kept their relationships to themselves, private. I didn't approve of the behavior - I believe it's against the laws of man and God. But I fell in with the 'live and let live crowd' mind think. Leave them alone...what harm are they doing to anyone.
Nothing has changed...What harm has the legalized gay marriages in MA caused to anyone. NOTHING. Do you heard how those legalized marriages are being flaunted in front of everyone in state? If two gay people are holding hands in public are you going to assume they are married just because it is legal in MA? What difference would it make, you are against it so it would not make a difference if they are single or married.
I don't in anyway mean to imply that children should be raised to hate others who are different than they are...we need to teach them to accept others who are different - to live side by side with them. But by the same token that doesn't mean we have to approve/condone the behaviors we believe are wrong.
Children should be raised to tolerate differences however, how are you going to teach tolerance if you do not educate people in school. Parents will certainly not do it. I feel this is where most people learn how to hate, from their parents. Parents do not spend enough time with their kids these days and educate them with the things they need to know, what makes you think parents will spend time teaching their children to tolerate things they may not like? I wonder how many parents feel it is the school's responsibility to educate their children.
If you look at the statistics the younger generation tolerates gays more than people of your generation. Why do you think that is?
As far as the whole AIDS example, that is in the past. Forget about it. Politicians are still playing games regarding AIDS funding and education. Your pal Bush still believes in teaching abstinence and not showing how people can protect themselves by using condoms. You can not fight this disease by not mentioning sex and how to be safe during the act. You can close "bathhouses" and every other place where AIDS is spread. It will not stop the disease. People will still find a way to have sex. When abortion was outlawed did it stop mothers from having an abortion? No it still happened.
I frequently was in San Francisco and some of what I observed there and heard about things going on there, truly disgusted me.
I am sure if you went to a nudist resort you will find things their that would disgust you as well. You have to remember where you are. I would probably feel the same way if I visited the South.
There are plenty of things that disgust me - parents abusing their children, parents leaving their children home alone while they go on vacation, people abusing defenseless animals, but you don't see me preaching about it. The way I look at it is that these people do not effect me and they kind of people will get their proper punishment.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 20, 2004 07:20:01 AM new
Just to clear up what appear to me to be even MORE assumptions.
I am sure if you went to a nudist resort you will find things their that would disgust you as well.
Well you being sure is once again wrong. They enjoy the freedom of not wearing clothes...there's no public sexual behavoir displayed out in public...it's against their rules.
This has nothing to do with nudity nor sex between men and women being disgusting to me.
You have to remember where you are. I would probably feel the same way if I visited the South.
Really, you think people in the South are like the people in San Francisco or any gay 'hub' in big cities? If you do....that's extremely funny. They're not.
I was born a Northerner. Lived almost my entire life in both Southern and Northern California. Twenty-two years of that time living in San Jose...approx. 50 miles from San Francisco.
So...having retired, five years ago to the 'South', hasn't influenced me in anyway that would apply to this sitation.
posted on September 20, 2004 07:34:24 AM new
Fine then what was so disturbing to you about Sand Francisco so I can properly respond to your statements.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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posted on September 20, 2004 08:38:52 PM new
Linduh says,"Boy...more and more lefties are getting so upset...they're screaming now."
Have a hard time counting Linduh???????
Talk about twisting things!
Linduh says,"posted on September 19, 2004 08:03:42 PM
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logansdad - I'm going to end my participation in this thread with this very long post. "
posted on September 21, 2004 12:39:45 AM new
linda says,
A person who beats his wife or children.
A person who molests his children....or promotes child pornography.
A person who murdered somebody.
A person who holds up a bank.
A person who burnt down someones house.
A person who sells liquor to underaged children.
A person who sells drugs.
A person who enjoys having sex out in public....or peeping in peoples windows.
A person, who in the privacy of their own home wants to have sex with their pet.
All of these issues are crimes. They have a criminal and a victim. They have NOTHING to do the two consenting adults wanting to get married. But of course, when a person like you runs out of real ideas for your viewpoint, you grasp at straws to create your point. You will use any scare tactics to fuel your point and try to convince the weak minded, non thinking individual. You do this to the point you make a fool of yourself.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on September 25, 2004 07:35:40 AM new
Funny how Linda can not even answer a simple question of what things going on there, truly disgusted [her].
In other words there weren't any. Just like those in the past that have made statements bashing certain TV shows or knowing what goes on at gay pride parades without having watched them.
DICK CHENEY SUPPORTS MY RELATIONSHIP: People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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Prevent Bigotry through Education.
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