posted on September 21, 2004 11:53:36 AM new
Remember after 911, the U.S. government said that they believed there were hundreds of terrorist "sleeper cells" in the U.S.? What ever became of them? Did they catch everyone? I haven't heard one word on the progress in this area and wonder why nobody has mentioned a word since. Wouldn't these sleeper cells be more of a threat because they're internal? Wouldn't the capture of these terrorists be big news? I don't get it.
posted on September 21, 2004 12:21:35 PM new
Yes, KD, suspected terrorists have been arrested. You just aren't reading the right news media sources. They report it...the left news media rarely does....don't want anyone to be aware there are gains being made here.
posted on September 21, 2004 01:02:21 PM new
Thanks Linda! From your links, I only read of 5 people being caught as suspected terrorists in the U.S. Of course, I'm wondering if the number of sleeper cells was embellished a bit or if there still are all these hundreds of cells.
posted on September 21, 2004 01:24:55 PM new
The problem now is that canada has 100's of terriorst cells. It is suppected they pay off the goverment leadership, as they do in france for freedom of movement...
posted on September 21, 2004 02:05:32 PM new
I'm sure they are watching a lot of people and more importantly, organizations supplying the cash. It is better to watch unless there is an immediate threat. If they grab somebody, within 8 hrs the ACLU will file a writ asking how you know etc.
posted on September 21, 2004 02:10:30 PM new
Des - I assume by your post that you have not read the Patriot Act. Had you done so you would know that your scenerio does not really apply since those arrested a enemy combatants are denied outside contact and legal representation so there is no way the ACLU would be aware of the detained to file such motions.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on September 21, 2004 02:13:11 PM new
LOL KD - Out of 333,000 links [boy you must really be a speed reader. lol... you only found five? There were six arrested in one cell group alone...known as the Lackawanna Six.
There have been hundreds, whether you want to admit it or not.
And you have no terrorist or terrorist cells in Canada, huh? LOL No wonder you're in such enormous denial. Have you checked with your own government on that? I think they think Canada does too.
posted on September 21, 2004 02:59:27 PM new
Most articles on terrorism in Canada say it's a haven for terrorists because of their lax border policies.
Anyone who believes there are no terrorists in Canada should read a little from their own Canadian Security Intellignece Service Reports.
Also Znet had an article on the changes Canada is making to their policies:
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Canada's role in the war on terror has never been open for public discussion, like it would be in a functioning democracy.
The very nature of the war on terrorism precludes discussion or transparency. The logic that informs war on terror discourse is necessarily Orwellian, given the 'masterminds' behind the war on terrorism know full well that waging war only increases the likelihood of terrorist attacks.
They know that by ignoring the true causes of terrorist attacks in lieu of false causes, they are committing to fuelling US-sponsored terrorism.
In many ways, Canada's future depends on terrorism. Accordingly, the policies are being put in place to "secure" this future.
One way that the Canadian government is doing this is by investing billions of Canadian tax dollars in the US and Canadian war machine. The Canadian Pension Plan currently has almost $3 billion dollars invested in US and Canadian military contractors, unbeknownst to most Canadians. [1]
There is pretty much a guaranteed substantial return on these investments, given that Canada is rapidly increasing its defence spending and war making capabilities. Last December, these same military contractors who are being subsidized by the Canadian public were fearing "backlash because of the federal government's decision to stay out of the U.S.-led attack on Iraq."
These comments, made two weeks prior to Paul Martin's installation as Prime Minister, speak to the consequences to be endured by those who refuse to go along with the war on terror: lower profits. This moves the decision to participate in Iraq [and the war on terror] from the level of morality to that of the economy [aka, amorality].
In terms of the economy there is no more important relationship to Canadian elites than the one with the US. Therefore, there is great incentive for defence contractors to push for economic integration with the US, knowing full well that this cannot happen without a commitment to the 'war on terror'. Morden captures these sentiments:
"In this new world, nothing is more important than our overall relationship with the United States. 9/11 and its aftermath brought us face to face with some stark realities, above all the implications of the steadily accelerating integration of the North American economy."
On April 27th, the Martin regime tabled Canada's "first-ever National Security Policy". Rather than having to defend this legislation, the Liberals are using it as a selling feature in their election propaganda. They proudly proclaim that, since 2001, "the Government of Canada has announced in excess of $8.3 billion in specific measures to enhance Canada's national security and address priority gaps in our system."
The massive expenditures on security are in response to the minority of elite Canadians who share the sentiments framed by Morden:
"Canadian entities in the security and intelligence community must, at all costs, deepen and strengthen their internal cooperation, and their exterior links. Adequate funding to play a truly cooperative and effective role is a sine qua non."
While ***the National Security Policy is without historical precedent in Canada***, the US is by now very familiar with such policies. Indeed, Canada's NSP is modelled on the Department of Homeland Security, and has been praised as such by United States Treasury Secretary John Snow who said it looks "very much like what we're doing with the Department of Homeland Security."
posted on September 21, 2004 04:16:32 PM new
There were 6 arrested in Lackawanna, NY (a suburb of Buffalo). I know they released one, just can't remember if it was six before or after the one was released.
(Buffalo is local news for us.)
posted on September 21, 2004 06:07:46 PM new
If it's on the internet it has to be true, Kraft.
I don't deny that there are possible terrorist cells in Canada, there are cells worldwide. As far as terrorists crossing borders don't any of you ever wonder about the border or customs guards and if they get paid to look the other way at times?
There was recently a big media deal over the B.C. Bud 'terrorists' from Canada and how there was a Blackhawk helicopter stationed here now. A week or so ago they did a big drug bust ...... a shipment of 535 lbs of marijuana going across the border and they arrested a U.S. Customs and Border Protection officer who was driving the truck and he admitted it wasn't his first haul.
(BTW, I do realize I spelled terrier wrong up there)
They report it...the left news media rarely does....don't want anyone to be aware there are gains being made here.
