posted on November 2, 2004 11:18:02 PM new
OK - I'll concede. We are stuck with Bush for 4 more years. Of course the upside is Hillary can run in the next election. You gotta admit, a female candidate with a black VP would something to watch. Toss in a moderate republican opponent in McCain and 2008 could actually be something fun to watch. This one kinda started as a train wreck and just kept moving in the same direction.
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posted on November 3, 2004 05:54:51 AM new
To be fair, we've been considering a move to Nova Scotia for a while now (long before this election) so Bush is the least of my concerns at this very moment. My family is originally from Scotland, but settled in Nova Scotia when they immigrated during Britian's tyranny. My great-great, etc. something-or-other was Sir John Alexander McDonald, the First Premier of Canada, so I do have some roots there. I also have family in Victoria BC. So, hopefully I won't be stuck with Bush for a very long time. I also will not say "I told you so" when this country falls apart because I will still have family here and I am still American.
We found homes in Nova Scotia to be not only historical, but far less expensive then they are here. Ken and my son do home remodeling and restoration and given the numbers of historical homes there, they'd fare better in Nova Scotia than they are here at the moment.
On the downside, I'm sure it's colder there. On the upside, the salt air will be good for my breathing and chronic bronchitis issues. I've been told by doctors that the dry air here is a big problem for my bronchial tubes. I suffer most of the winter months.
It will be a good year or more before we can make the move. We have property here and Pennsylvania we'd need to sell and right now, things just aren't selling. Besides, it would take that long to pack up all the eBay things I have here, LOL! I'd still prefer moving to a warmer climate, though.
Surprisingly, my children are all for it. They intend to go with us. Of course, leaving my mother here would be hard. No matter where we'd move that would be hard.
fenix
Given the biggoted, religious bible thumping morons living in the south as we saw this election, I doubt that even in 2008, a woman would have a chance. Isn't it ironic that those who not so long ago were marrying their cousins and engaging in the slave trade are now going around touting their "moral" values? Hey, I can say this. I do have relations in the south. Not all Scots staying up north. Some actually settled in them there hills although they drew the line at marrying their cousins.
Cheryl
Protect the environment. Plant a tree and remove a Bush.
posted on November 3, 2004 06:10:31 AM new
Obama kicked some major republican booty here in Illinois. Keyes did not stand a chance. I hope Bush is able to tell the difference between Obama and Osama. We wouldn't want Obama arrested on the Senate floor. Obama is a great candidate to be the first black president.
There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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posted on November 3, 2004 06:49:46 AM new
::Given the biggoted, religious bible thumping morons living in the south as we saw this election, I doubt that even in 2008, a woman would have a chance::
Oh but Cheryl. Second only to teens the one group that rarely truly shows for the vote are blacks. Obama would bring out people who have probably never bothered to vote. A black candidate would totally put the south into play for the Democrats and would change the entire campaign scene.
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posted on November 3, 2004 06:53:54 AM new
I don't dispute Obama. It's a woman running that I don't think will fly although I'd love to see it. Closely look at the states that the Republicans took. They are the old south. The confederacy (which apparently still exists today).
posted on November 3, 2004 07:13:06 AM new
But Cheryl - those are the same states that the republicans always take. Southerners are traditionally conservative but it is also largely black a whole group that would be mobilized as never before with a black candidate. It would also mobilize young women who are another notoriously lazy voting group. You have to figure that those that would vote against a woman just because she is a woman were probably never democrats to begin with. Also add in the fact that with Hillary comes the always popular Bill back to the campaign trail.
It funny but I really believe that that would be the strongest ticket (and yes, the most controvesial) across the board that the dems could put together when you look at the current players.
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posted on November 3, 2004 08:20:52 AM new
fenix-I think this is a good possibility. Hillary would have served her time in New York like she wanted to do and as she promised the people of New York. I also like Obama. He is a very smart young man and I also think he will be the first black american that will become President. I will not be fond of Bill being "1st man" but maybe by then he can change the american view of him.
posted on November 3, 2004 01:30:01 PM new
Maybe you can run desquirrel. The American public loves squirrels probably because they can identify with their brain power.
posted on November 3, 2004 01:31:13 PM new
In regards to Hillary running for President, do you think she stands a chance? Do you feel this country is ready for a woman President? I am not trying to make this a sexist comment, but rather want to see if she would make a good candidate for 2008 as it seems this idea has been tossed around for the past 4 years.
Personally, I feel she would make a good candidate but I don't think the rest of America is ready to see a woman in the White House.
There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
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posted on November 3, 2004 01:37:41 PM new
Hillary would not stand a chance. What they need is a conservative democrat. One of my favorites is Bob Casey jr, but he doesnt have the experience yet. Ed Rendell can connect well with people like clinton so watch him as well.
posted on November 3, 2004 02:08:01 PM new
I think that with three years of targeted efforts in congress she can make herself a viable candidate. She is an intelligent articulate woman with a great deal of strength. I think the point that was proven in this election is that the untapped groups have to be brought into the game or there is no hope for the democrats. Young women and blacks typically do not vote and that's a ticket that would bring both groups out. It would completely change the electorial vote since it would bring the deep south back into play which it has not been for way too long.
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posted on November 4, 2004 06:20:58 AM new
Honestly I would love to see a Biden/Obama ticket in 2008. Delaware is my homestate (transplanted by marriage to just south of the border to MD). I think that ticket would actually stand a chance and would have the potential to win.
posted on November 4, 2004 06:40:41 AM new
kinetic, love the idea of Biden running!
But as for Hillary.......the US just proved it is too far gone to the religious right....no woman could change the mind of the religious. Most religions still think women are lesser creatures than the almighty male.
Even though more enlightened countries have already had women leaders with no problems the US is still too far back in the cave to elect one as president.
Fenix says, """She is an intelligent articulate woman with a great deal of strength."""
Fenix, if you've been in this chat room long you should know that the neocons fear and hate this type of woman with a great passion.
"""I think the point that was proven in this election is that the untapped groups have to be brought into the game or there is no hope for the democrats. Young women and blacks typically do not vote and that's a ticket that would bring both groups """
That's the point, those groups may LIKE for Hillary but will they go to the polls and vote??
ALSO: there is still a strong tendency to view women as extensions of the man they are married to, like they were con-joined twins, or one person.....so there are many of the brain dead who would not vote for Hillary because she's married to Bill.
Yes, I think she and several other women may make excellent presidents but not in this country
posted on November 4, 2004 07:14:39 AM new
::That's the point, those groups may LIKE for Hillary but will they go to the polls and vote?? ::
Crow - I don't know about young women because honestly 20 year old women get on my nerves and I try to spend as little time around them as possible but as for blacks... I spend a disturbingly large amount of time at a friend of minessalon which is predominantly a black clientelle. The vast majority of the clients that come in there are politically aware but pretty apathetic bevause they just don't believe that politicians give a damn about the same issues they do. They one time they become very interested is when you start talking about high ranking black leaders. I don't think that they would mobilize for Hilary but when you add Obama to the ticket, that is where you really get them interested.
To tell you the truth, I think Obama is a critical addition to the ticket because you are right, there are people that are going to come out against Hillary just because of her gender. Obama suddenly mobilizes a very large demographic and brings them all to the democrats.
I thik that if the two of them really go balls to the wall for the next three years creating the right impressions, being part of important bills, and being in the public eye in positive ways etc they would be a very viable team.
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posted on November 4, 2004 12:27:57 PM new
Obama said he is not running so having Obama on the ticket for either president or VP in 2008 is not a possibility.
How about a Clinton/Clinton ticket? Hillary as the Pres and Bill as the VP. The first wife, husband ticket in history.
There's an old saying in Tennessee I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, fool me once, shame on shame on you. Fool me you can't get fooled again." George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
---------------------------------- "Give it up for George W. Bush, the best friend international jihad ever had."
posted on November 4, 2004 02:23:22 PM new
Sorry, but there is NO way this country would vote in a woman president, with as a running mate a black VP. I'm not trying to be sexist or racist, just trying to be realistic.
Now, having said that, I would love a John McCain/Colin Powell ticket. Though I consider myself a conservative Democrat, I would vote for them in a second.
"Who's tending the bar? Sniping works up a thirst"
posted on November 6, 2004 08:42:00 AM new
I used to respect McCain greatly, having worked with him on some SW water issues. Since he bent over and spread 'em for Bush, I'm through with him for good. He'll never have my respect again.
Clinton/Obama worries me that it would be perceived by the heartland as too radical.
Clinton/Clinton I'd pay real money for
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posted on January 24, 2009 08:26:40 PM new
kineticenergy
posted on November 4, 2004 06:20:58 AM Honestly I would love to see a Biden/Obama ticket in 2008. Delaware is my homestate (transplanted by marriage to just south of the border to MD). I think that ticket would actually stand a chance and would have the potential to win.
WOW! I don't know this poster but he/she named the winning ticket - just had the offices switched!
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posted on January 25, 2009 04:47:10 AM new
Hey, kineticenergy, if you're still out there, please send me an email with lottery numbers you think look good. You're the closest I've come to a seer.
posted on February 1, 2009 08:42:31 AM new
I was at Lowe yesterday and the place is empty,they are not just lacking in customers but workers as well?
Then over to Costco and the place is packed,checkout lines are long and people are buying,
glad to see we still have plenty of food ,or is this a sign of what 's coming?
Stock up now ,shelves may be empty soon or soon prices will be out of reach!
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Economic Reform act of Chairman Obama of the socialist States of America :
10 ounces of meat per month,half a yard of cotton per year per adult.
Hellilujah!
Sniping works up a thirst"