posted on November 5, 2004 06:48:51 AM new
This can also include males....
I am sure there isn't a women in the US or around the world that doesn't have feelings for Mrs. Edwards. To make light of it and to accuse posters of not caring is wrong. This disease that she has goes far and above the campaign.
Breast Cancer is serious and I for one am thankful that she has found her lump early and with treatment should have a full recovery. Of course it will take time and with the support of her Husband, Family and the care of her physician she will survive.
October was Breast Cancer Awareness Month and I hope that women become more aware so that with early detection there certainly is a cure.
posted on November 5, 2004 07:12:19 AM new
You are right that only a moron would consider a cancer victim in terms of a political context.
You are right also that she is fortunate that she has the support of her husband, family and the great health care system in this country available to those who can afford it. I can't help but think what would happen to the single mother that I know who is not poor enough to qualify for medicaid but not able to afford such health care. With this president, no help is on the way because his priority is in keeping the insurance industry well greased.
The case that I suggested is hypothetical. I actually know the single mother who has a job but is unable to afford health insurance. The hypothetical is what would she do if she had breast cancer? Without socialized health care she is out of luck.
(Because she has a job with an income above the poverty line she would not qualify for medicaid.)
[ edited by Helenjw on Nov 5, 2004 11:59 AM ]
posted on November 5, 2004 12:36:32 PM new
It IS political and morons across the country just applauded, and laughed at, the re-appointment of a "man" who has done nothing for health care.
I do know a case where a woman developed breast cancer so her company cut her hours so she didn't qualify for health coverage. In a country like Canada she would've been covered.
I'm sure this company was quite happy when she died.
posted on November 5, 2004 01:59:56 PM new
crowfarm,
can she prove her employer cut her hours because they dont want to offer her coverage??or is it her health condition which would not allow her to work more hours or business condition is such they need less workers??
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posted on November 5, 2004 02:02:34 PM new
My mother is a breast cancer survivor. She, too, caught it in time. My daughter is in a risk group and it's hard to get her to take it seriously. She's young and doesn't realize that breast cancer does not discriminate.
posted on November 5, 2004 02:24:15 PM new
Stopwhining, she can't prove anything being dead and all.
No to the others...I think I stated quite clearly that once they found out she had cancer they cut her hours.
posted on November 5, 2004 02:36:06 PM new
Cheryl tell her that breast cancer has no age limit. I have see 24 year olds with it and that was in a family with no history of breast cancer. Of course mammograms are of little use in a 24 year old as the breasts are to dense but ultrasound is used a lot in those ages.
Crowfarm unless you haven't been reading we don't have national health care. You cannot blame it on this president but you can on Bill Clinton. I think his platform was for national health care for all. When he was elected he gave Hillary the job but as you can see it never panned out. So who do we blame?
posted on November 5, 2004 02:47:20 PM new
You cant blame hilary either .
The key is affordable healthcare which means medical providers and makers have to be efficient in running their business and the consumers have to take better care of themselves.
Cutting back on alcohol,fatty food,cigarette etc ,eating healthy,exercise and getting plenty of rest are things we can do to take better care of ourselves.
I dont know what is the latest opinion on birth control pills,it seems that now they think the hormone is good for us??
all i know is that a young woman has her own hormone,she does not need anymore synthetic one from birth control pills.
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posted on November 5, 2004 02:59:53 PM new
Stopwhining is so correct. Also, the HRT pill Premarin is very bad. It's made from the urine of a pregnant female horse. The hormone found in it is foreign to the human body. I've been using natural supplements and eating more in the way of green leafy veggies (I love spinach). I've had very little in the way of menopausal symptoms. Well, I did have those hot flash episodes a couple of years ago. They're great in the winter, but murder in the summer!!!
For heaven's sake, stay away from McDonalds, Burger King and other fast food restaurants. The only thing I'll eat from a fast food restaurant anymore (really the only thing my body can tolerate) is the spinach chicken salad at Wendy's. If you need a quick lunch, go to the grocery store and grab some fresh fruit or veggies to munch on. I love pea pods! Also, if you drink tea, white tea is better for you than green tea.
Oh, brother, can anyone tell I'm in to "natural"? LOL! How and what you eat can affect your health. Preservatives aren't naturally found in the body. If they were, who'd have to worry about wrinkles!
posted on November 5, 2004 04:34:49 PM new
Helen, I'm sorry your friend has breast cancer. There are other things to look to, other than medicaid, since she doesn't qualify. Our state has what they call 'Basic State Health' (I think) I know, our friends have been on it since 98, they have a small retail store, are above the poverty level, own a home, but couldn't afford insurance for the two of them. She told me its a sliding scale, and all she told me is she pays $30 a month for medical and dental for the two of them with a $10 co pay and $10 co pay on rx.
I don't know, but maybe your friend can look into that in your state?
Without socialized health care she is out of luck. I hope this isn't the case, and she can get medical attention some way.
But Helen, really, do you personally want socialized medicine here? I mean think about it, you really want a non medical person deciding if you need surgery or other treatments?
I refuse to take any HRT's. I will live with any hot flashes I get!
posted on November 5, 2004 05:27:31 PM new"But Helen, really, do you personally want socialized medicine here? I mean think about it, you really want a non medical person deciding if you need surgery or other treatments?"
Near, what non-medical people would decide if a person needs surgery? Who do you mean?
posted on November 5, 2004 05:47:26 PM new
Hi, Nearthesea...
I was just giving an example of how the uninsured among the working poor in the U.S. might fall through the cracks with a health problem as serious as breast cancer. The example was someone that I know who is not insured.
Universal health care or socialized medicine would be much like the system in Canada. They have a healthier population than the U.S. so it must work.
Thanks for your suggestion about the sliding scale possibility. I'll tell her to check that out.
posted on November 5, 2004 06:46:45 PM new
helen - No it doesn't work BETTER...unless you don't mind waiting MONTHS for available treatment to begin.
Who in their right mind would choose Canadian health care over the excellent and very quick care women get here? My answer....NO ONE...and that's why thousands of Canadian women come to the US for quicker care.
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Last Updated | Mar 10 2004 03:27 PM EST
Judge OKs breast cancer class action
QUEBEC CITY -
A Quebec Superior Court judge has authorized a class-action lawsuit over improper breast cancer treatment that may impact up to 10,000 women.
Claimants in the class-action suit said that some hospitals failed to offer radiation treatment quickly enough to some women.
The suit, requested by Anahit Cilinger, includes women who have been diagnosed with breast cancer since October 1997 and had to wait months, in some cases, for radiation treatment.
In the late 1990s, the province began sending thousands of cancer patients to the northern U.S. because Quebec hospitals did not have the staff or the equipment needed to give radiation therapy to all patients requiring the treatment.
At the time, opponents of the Parti-Québécois government blamed the situation on inadequate health-care spending.
The lawsuit claims that women who were operated on and then forced to wait eight weeks or longer for radiation treatment are eligible to join the class action.
Lawyers heading up the suit said that close to 10,000 patients who have been diagnosed and treated in the last seven years could sign on.
The claim will ask a judge whether hospitals are legally bound to give patients treatment within a medically acceptable time limit.
And they pay a fortune in taxes for that inadequate care too.
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NearTheSea - Oregon state has the same type of service as you mentioned too. I'm sure most states do. NO ONE is ever rejected medical care in the US. People aren't turned away as the liberals like to make sound. And we even pay to treat illegals who need treatment and can't pay either.
It's total nonsense for anyone to say because they can't afford medical insurance that they can't get help.
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posted on November 5, 2004 07:14:57 PM new It's total nonsense for anyone to say because they can't afford medical insurance that they can't get help.
Medical help, in the United States requires money. There are no free medical facilities, doctors or nurses in my area for working people who do not qualify for medicaid. I've lived in Mississippi and in New Jersey...no free medical help there either. Of course if you have a medical emergency and you need treatment in an emergency room, you can go there without money but you will be billed later.
A man that I know had a problem with his back which required surgery but since he did not have insurance he was given some tylenol 3's and sent home.
posted on November 5, 2004 07:18:28 PM new
Linda, have you ever been treated in a Canadian hospital? Here in Ontario, none of that crap happens. Kiara, who lives in BC, has also stated that their health care is good. And about paying, sure our taxes are high, but it takes care of the poor. Do you think that's too much of a sacrifice?
posted on November 5, 2004 07:26:43 PM new
helen - You think of yourself as an intelligent woman and yet you are TOTALLY blind to the crisis the Canadian health care system is experiencing...you just won't recognize it is in CRISIS and you continue to promote a failing, super expensive system.
In the US [I will repeat] NO ONE GOES WITHOUT NEEDED MEDICAL CARE....period. No one is refused care. PERIOD. That is a figment of your imagination.
And yes, if they have the ability to make payments on their surgery/doctor bill...they will be billed. Nothing wrong with that.
Just like you....if one CHOOSES not to purchase medical insurance then you also must be willing to face the expense of paying a LOT more if you become sick. That's a personal choice. Period.
Is it expensive? Yes, in some cases it is. Can all afford to pay it? No. But they still, through many different government programs WILL BE TAKEN CARE OF. It's the law. NO one can be turned away. And there are country hospitals that were build and function for this very purpose....those without insurance. There are many like the state program NTS mentioned...and I know WA, OR and CA all have hospitals that will bill on a sliding scale basis. It's a matter of seeking them out...not just whining about.
Suggest to your friend that she pick up the phone and call any of the breast cancer help lines. They will be more than helpful.
But to continue to use a failing system to justify your personal want to not pay for medical insurance, when you ARE able to do so, but choose not to...is NOT the taxpayers responsibility. And there are millions just like you.
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posted on November 5, 2004 07:37:41 PM new
Linda, there are going to be sensationalized horror stories about both our health care systems but it doesn't mean that's the way things work. It's a darn good system and Helen realizes this.
posted on November 5, 2004 07:42:57 PM new
Well, I see linda is here, all aglow and gloating over four or more years of slaughter and torture in Iraq or in any other country bush feels like invading.
Yup, I bet Tuesday was a happy day in your rather LONELY life but georgie still can't keep ya warm at night , can he linduh?
Isn't it odd that linda thinks everything is just perfect in this country but yet keeps posting in here....is she trying to convince herself?????? Intelligent people aren't buying her bile and bull and yet on and on she boringly goes!
Oh, I forgot...she has nothing else to occupy her time
linda- You think of yourself as an intelligent woman and yet you are TOTALLY blind to the crisis the American health care system is experiencing...you just won't recognize it is in CRISIS and you continue to promote a failing, super expensive system.
posted on November 5, 2004 07:48:02 PM new
KD - You're aren't going to change my mind by telling me helen and kiara know better than what reports/studies and your own Canadian press releases are saying.
This issue of long waits, few doctors to treat the masses, not enough trained radiologists, not enough equipment to treat cancer patients after their surgeries....is YES, horrifying to me. To pay such outrageous taxes for poor care is totally unbelievable to me.
This isn't an isolated group of 10,000 women who could have had their cancers regrown while they're waiting for the very radiation limited treatment to become available for them....so limited that if they want to live they have to come to the US to get more immediate care.
And also this health crisis was a HOT issue in your recent election for your PM too. helen and kiara saying how they feel doesn't make it how other Canadians see it. And the last study I read, in August this year, said the % of Canadians that are becoming unhappy with your health care system is growing...not decreasing. Your PM has pledged to add another $34-$36 billion dollars JUST for this reason. Guess who's going to pay for that? Yep...more taxes....just to keep the lawsuits from their doors.
The last thing Americans need is our government fighting over/making decisions on just how much money they're going to *allot* the taxpayers [the ones paying for that system] for our health care. NO THANK YOU. I prefer the GREAT health care we get right here.
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posted on November 5, 2004 07:51:03 PM new
Linda, You can blast that propaganda to high heaven but it's simply NOT TRUE. In this country without insurance you will not receive health care...preventative or otherwise unless you are well insured.
Why would anyone need insurance if medical help was free and available to everyone? Why do old people have a problem affording medicine? Why do they need to travel to Canada or Mexico to afford life saving drugs?
posted on November 5, 2004 08:05:14 PM new
Oh sure helen...all the Canadian doctors are lying to us. Sure...they're not leaving for many different reasons and starting their practices in the US. They're not speaking to their frustrations about how slow things work because in inadequate funding up there. The reports on lack of medical equipment is incorrect too. The cancer patients waiting for months to get radiation is all a lie too.
Sure...helen...dealing in reality isn't your best quality. You and kiara know much better than any of the professionals who work in the system and point out it's failures..problems...and the crisis it's in.
But the facts are there for those who might think the same health care system would be perfect for our country if they want to check it out. They don't need to take my word for it. I'm just one person stating why I hope we NEVER put such a system into place here. I think the only ones the Canadian system work for, and those who sing it's praises, are those who don't desperately need immediate, good quality care.
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posted on November 5, 2004 08:06:01 PM new
why do you post here crowfart? You add nothing to any conversation or seem to be happy at all... all of your posts are bitter and cynical at best... you are the one that constantly brings up death... you are the one that seems to hate the days... but you continue to post here... why?
You claim to have a husband... but you post here as much as anyone... apparently not much of one... doesn't seem to do much for your time...
You claim to be an eBay seller... doesn't seem to take much of your time... must be quite the seller you are...
you claim to be lots of things... but we all know one thing... you are one shrivled up hatefull old shrew... hate filled heart and mind... wonder why you brought up kevorkian... have you been thinking of suicide? With all the bitterness and vitriol you spew, you seem like a prime candidate...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
posted on November 5, 2004 08:16:14 PM new
Twelve can't you ever post something original without copying my words, or my style, or my ideas?
Are you really that stupid that you can't think any more creatively than that?
Twelve says, " wonder why you brought up kevorkian... have you been thinking of suicide? With all the bitterness and vitriol you spew, you seem like a prime candidate..."
Another sweet death wish from twelve who says I'M filled with hate ?????
And twelve is LYING as usual ....I never mentioned kevorkian....well, maybe she's not lying...maybe just hallucinating or drunk again.
