posted on December 27, 2004 07:25:31 AM new
NearTheSea,
Happy Kwanzaa to you too!
I was going to put you on the title of the thread too, but I deceided not too. You don't have to wish me Happy Kwanzaa because I am not a Black American. I have said several times here in the past that I am white. But thanks anyway.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 27, 2004 08:58:13 AM new
Neither am I (African American, I mean). I know a little about Kwanzaa. That it is not a religious holiday, and it started here in the U.S. in 1966? sometime around there. (in Africa, long before that of course) And
each day is celebrating something different; harvest, community, etc.
Its interesting.
posted on December 27, 2004 09:20:39 AM new
Aw, Yeager, that's swell of ya. I'll light a candle to the virgin anus for ya. Merry Sexual Dysfunction Day and Happy New Gerbil!
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The Democrats were rejected by a majority of Americans
posted on December 27, 2004 07:19:39 PM new
parklame,
Your're welcome! I didn't' wish you a Happy Kwanzaa. I didn't know that you were black. I would have if I did know.
As for your observations, I didn't know such things existed. I am always willing to learn about other groups. Thanks for sharing the information on your "holiday".
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 27, 2004 09:26:02 PM new
So you know I am Black? Did I meet you in the kidney dialysis room?
My face has many colors, red, yellow, black and white. I do not discriminate against people, just ones that want gay marriage. I love the people of the world.
Happy Kwanzaa.
The holiday, then will of necessity, be engaged as an ancient and living cultural tradition which reflects the best of African thought and practice in its reaffirmation of the dignity of the human person in community and culture, the well-being of family and community, the integrity of the environment and our kinship with it, and the rich resource and meaning of a people's culture. It is within this understanding, then, that the Organization Us, the founding organization of Kwanzaa and the authoritative keeper of the tradition, has established and maintains this website.
posted on December 28, 2004 12:51:27 AM new
classic,
I have to agree with you on that. A good, experienced dermatologist with the right medical equipment might be able to put a dent in it.
libra,
You didn't tell me that you weren't black. How was I to know?
Libra, the only thang yo face have is a dull look!
What the hell does kidney dialysis have to do with Kwanzaa. Did I meet you in the kidney dialysis room? Does that mean only blacks are on dialysis? Splain it to me libra. Also, how am I being a bigot when I simply wished you a Happy Kwanzaa? Splain that one to me too.
I do not discriminate against people, just ones that want gay marriage. Are those people the Gay men and women that want marriage, or all people that are working for it? Isn't discrimination a form of hate?
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 28, 2004 04:17:25 AM new
I think it's odd how we claim to be one people, Americans, but at the same time we work so hard to separate ourselves. Kwanzaa is an interesting holiday. I know some who celebrate it and not Christmas. But, isn't just another form of separation? Many black Americans I know don't celebrate it because many of them either don't have African roots or they feel themselves to be too American. It's an assumption that just because someone is black, they're ancestors are from Africa and therefore, they should celebrate African traditions and holidays. I thought we were Americans? My objections come in when people want to be treated the same, but go out of their way to make themselves different.
One of my closest and oldest friends, Stephen, is black (and gay, BTW). The first time I called him African American I thought he'd bite my head off. He considers himself a "black American". His point is how can you be African AND American? You are either/or. He's an American who happens to be black. Good point, I thought. He hates that his fellow black Americans go so out of their way to make themselves different. He hates the way most of the young men and women dress. He hates the rap music. It all leads to stereotyping. I've met his family. They're no different than mine. His grandmother could be my grandmother if she were still alive. In talking to her (she's near 90), she can't understand where things went so wrong. She participated in the civil rights movement and idealized Dr. King. She doesn't feel America owes her anything because slavery happened. She understands her own people sold them into slavery. She's grateful for the freedoms she has here that she wouldn't have anywhere else in the world particularly in Africa. She enjoys the same music my grandmother did and in looking at old photos of her, she enjoyed the same dress. Sure, her family had it harder by virtue of being black, but they really were no different - just the color of their skin. BTW, since my grandmother died, she's become my surrogate grandmother.
I'm of Scottish/Irish heritage, but first and foremost I am an American. I don't celebrate Scottish or Irish holidays. I don't participate in the traditions. My ancestors were a proud people, but when they came here they left that behind. They made a new life here. If you look back, many things we celebrate now are a cumulation of the different cultures we have here. They worked to blend not separate. It's interesting to learn about your family heritage, everyone should. But, should we work so hard to separate ourselves into "groups"?
I do with those who celebrate it a Happy Kwanzaa, but I have to admit I don't get it. If someone explain it further (i.e., why it is celebrated in some cases instead of Christmas), I'd appreciate it.
Libra
Sometimes I'd like to bob you upside your head, but your answer here was a nice one. Like the coat of many colors. Come to my house during one of our backyard parties. You will find blacks, Arabic's, gays and straights. My friends aren't measured by what they are, but by who they are.
I hope everyone here is having a wonderful holiday season no matter what you are celebrating. Christmas morning I found out that my daughter discovered a lump in her breast. Now, I need all of your prayers that the lump is benign. She's only 24 and shouldn't have to go through this. She is seeing the doctor tomorrow and I don't know yet when they are going to test her. Even if you aren't religious (as you all know I'm not), prayers certainly couldn't hurt!
Thanks, all.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on December 28, 2004 05:32:54 AM new
Cheyrl-I loved your post-Im part Irish and never been to the St Pattys day parade.
Sorry to hear about your daughter.Dont panic yet-my wifes friend had a lump and found out they were cysts<sp?> They werent cancerous,but she has to have them removed.She gets these on a re-occuring basis and every couple of years she has to have them removed again.I must confess,being a male Im not up on this except what my wife tells me and Im sure you know alot more then I do.Im sure we will all pray for her as at 24 this has to be a very scary thing.
posted on December 28, 2004 07:15:04 AM new
"How did I know you weren't black" You could have asked as I would have told you. You just seem to assume everyone is the same as you and we are not.
So you have seen me because there you go explaining something about me that you know nothing about.
But thanks for the greeting. I will not wish you a Happy New Year because you are never happy and with the New Year coming I only see more bigotry in your posting.
How is your malpractice insurance yeager & classicrock, if you are going to practice medicine then you getter get some.
posted on December 28, 2004 08:11:42 AM new
Cheryl..I was shocked to read your post...because I learned last week that they have found a mass in my daughter's breast too.
They have determined that it isn't a cyst and they are not going to do a needle aspiration or biopsy, in fear that it might burst the mass and spread the cells..
She is scheduled for surgery next week..
So just wanted to let you know, that I will include your daughter in my prayers and hope you will include my daughter in yours..
Hugs.. Maggie
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Dec 28, 2004 08:12 AM ]
posted on December 28, 2004 10:52:23 AM new
Thanks, Maggie. I will do that. Let me know how your daughter is doing after her surgery! My prayers are being sent to her as well.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on December 28, 2004 12:59:11 PM new
I like to think that I am color blind too.. but it didn't enter my mind that everyone here wasn't white or light brown...I wonder what that means? Maggie
posted on December 28, 2004 01:08:10 PM new
Maggie
I don't know if this means anything or not, but my daughter's lump is painful to the touch. From what I've been able to read, most cancerous tumors are not painful like this one. It's located at the top of her breast and is elongated. The MD at work said it's rare for someone her age to have breast cancer so we're very hopeful that maybe it's a hormonal thing. Since he's an MD pathologist by trade and not a gyno, he can only advise us.
Again, let us know how your daughter makes out. We should know more about my daughter sometime tomorrow.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on December 28, 2004 01:13:33 PM new
Classic
I don't go to the St. Patty's day parades either. Too many drunks. LOL! Besides, the weather is miserable here in March. You couldn't get me to one of those parades even if you dressed me in furs to keep me warm.
We do go to the Scottish games, though. I go mainly to try and find a MacDonald tartan for under $200! I've yet to locate one. I did find a tam that set me back $40. We also go because my granddaughter wants to learn highland dancing and she likes to watch them. My mother is fiercely proud of her heritage and drags me along with her every year because she can't get my Italian step-father to go.
Cheryl
"Success in almost any field depends more on energy and drive than it does on intelligence. This explains why we have so many stupid leaders."
-Sloan Wilson
posted on December 28, 2004 06:29:00 PM new
fenix,
No. I am not drunk.
Libra,
you just made my point of posting this with your comment.
"How did I know you weren't black" You could have asked as I would have told you. You just seem to assume everyone is the same as you and we are not.
This thread is about what happens to some, when many fail to respect and recognize the individuality of other groups. I know that you and your cronies don't like political correctness, and this is what happens when that occurs.
How many people did you say Merry Christmas to in the last 30 day? Did you ask if the person was a Jew before you said that to them? Or did you just ASSume that they held the same belief as you do? Is it possible that you might have offend somebody when saying Merry Christmas, instead of Happy Holidays?
As far as "assuming" (your term) that everyone is like everyone else, you don't seem to like being grouped together. You like to be an individual. The same way gay men and women do.
Also, I didn't say that I was going to practice medicine. How is it that you read that into my statement? I didn't. It's just more of your emotional blather dripping from your mouth.
Bigots are miserable people. Prevent Bigotry through Education.
posted on December 28, 2004 07:15:39 PM new
Cheryl and Krafty, thanks for your prayers.
Cheryl, no, my daughter doesn't have any pain or lump that she can feel.. what happened was that she woke up one morning to find a bloody discharge on the front of her nightie.... scared her to death when she realized it was coming from her nipple area.. so she went immediately to have it checked and they discovered a mass..
Yeager... I usually agree with everything you post.. but this time I am having a difficult time understanding your message.
I am missing your point.. sorry.. could you please explain your message once more..sorry.. Maggie
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