posted on January 22, 2005 10:42:46 AM new
This is way to long to C & P. But very noteworthy. If you don't think the democratic party has conservatives than real this article.
Please read the impressions about Zell Miller. Also note what it is said about John Kerry and John Edwards.
posted on January 22, 2005 11:49:56 AM new
Libra - I do believe there are many democrats that are both conservatives on many of the issues and also many moderates in the democratic party. What I see has happened...is that it's the smaller 1/3 of the democratic party that gets all the press. They're the most vocal. They support much of the WORLD 'think' rather than having any patriotism towards their own country. We see much of that type of posting here.
I will read further down the site you shared later...but I LOVED the idea of this site.
It begins:
"If you are fed up with how the liberals have hijacked the Democrat party, then this is the place for you. To be upfront and very honest, this site is not affiliated with the Democratic Party (DNC) in any way. There are 2 very good reasons for that."
1. The current leadership in the Democrat party have become so enamored with spin, that is impossible for them to be upfront and honest about anything. [we've seen them admit that right here ]
2. The degeneracy of the liberals who have usurped the leadership of the Democrat party would not allow any kind of decent moral debate to take place within the party.
The Democrat party is no longer the party of Roosevelt, Truman, and Kennedy. [that's right....the Republicans now represent the Liberty and Freedom position the old left use to.] From the time President Lyndon Johnson left office, the Democrat party has been on an out of control downward spiral. It is well past time for honest decent people to stand up and take back the party from the liberals of moral turpitude.
oh....wouldn't it be lovely?
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[ edited by Linda_K on Jan 22, 2005 11:52 AM ]
posted on January 22, 2005 11:50:24 AM new
Of course there are conservative Democrats. Just like there are moderate and even progressive Republicans, though you won't find them represented on this board, just like they weren't pandered to during the Bush campaign. This board hardly represents a microcosm of either the Republican or the Democratic party.
Your link highlights Zell Miller as exemplary. Hardly. Zell Miller is an irrelevant crackpot.
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posted on January 22, 2005 11:56:10 AM newLibra - I do believe there are many democrats that are both conservatives on many of the issues and also many moderates in the democratic party. What I see has happened...is that it's the smaller 1/3 of the democratic party that gets all the press. They're the most vocal
Right, Linda. Just like the moderate Republicans. Those who support a woman's right to choose, the separation of church and state, the rights of the States, and a belief that peace cannot be brought about through pre-emptive war. We haven't heard a lot from those folks lately either, have we. Too bad.
posted on January 22, 2005 12:08:00 PM new
Or would you prefer to believe the foolishness that there are Democrats who are more like Republicans, while Republicans are all of the same monolithic mindset?
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posted on January 22, 2005 12:45:57 PM new
What I prefer to believe is there are more and more voters who vote the issues rather than the party line [of either side].
I believe there are tons of democrats that are social/culture conservatives. And...I'll admit to a smaller number of Republicans who would take the dem approach.
But as this election has shown...there are also the RINO's like McCain...and the DINO's like Miller...who so totally oppose the either the majority or one major issue of their own party....and throw their support behind the opposing party ...in that election.
I believe that many dems here don't speak up IF they don't agree with the extremist views of the posters. They remain silent on a few issues they might agree with a 'rightie', like myself, on. The fear of being attacked, on a personal level, from our most uncivil posters.
That...is what's taking this board in a downward spiril....not that people hold different opinions on the issues we discuss.
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:28:02 PM new
Linda, the way I see things is some people can't live unless they are governed and told how to do it properly. Governments rely on these types because there are so many. Same way the KKK and white supremist groups gather their flock - they rely on people with no motivation to seek out their own answers, so they supply the answers for them - ALL the answers. I see the left not accepting this conformity for the masses and wanting more of the freedoms we should all be enjoying if we were government-less. To say that's the wrong road to be on only proves how narrow-minded the right has become on their jouney to conform.
posted on January 22, 2005 02:08:50 PM newI believe there are tons of democrats that are social/culture conservatives. And...I'll admit to a smaller number of Republicans who would take the dem approach.
Why a smaller number? A case can easily be made that progressive Republicans are cowed into not speaking their minds for fear of being attacked as anti-Christian, or pro-Gay, or pro-Abortion, or (gasp) Closet Liberals...not attacked here mind you, in their own party's ranks by the likes of James Dobson et al.
They remain silent on a few issues they might agree with a 'rightie', like myself, on. The fear of being attacked, on a personal level, from our most uncivil posters...
I'm sorry, but I just can't buy the idea that anyone here is afraid of being attacked by our most uncivil posters. Anyone afraid of the schoolyard taunts of people here has probably never posted, and as such can't be counted. There's a difference, you know, between not stooping to talk to those folks, and being afraid of them.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:16:16 PM new
I need to get off here, but Kraft, could you post that in english the way 'someone with no motivations to seek answers' can understand it please? thanks
posted on January 22, 2005 02:17:18 PM new
Well I have been told I would vote Republican if I was not gay.
Yes I am being serious here.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:20:01 PM new
Kraft what will motivate the liberals? It needs leadership and from what I read that have no leaders that they can look up to. Now would you look up to someone who stood up in front of the communists and denounced the Vietnam war? A decorated war hero at that from that war.
What freedoms should we be enjoying that we don't have now? We have freedom of Religion, to practice it or not to. We don't have the freedom to enter the Canadian borders like we use to. Why?
In here there is the freedom of speech. Just what has the republican party taken away. Or better yet what can the democrats do to give us more freedoms. Everyone has the right to vote that is if they are legal voters. Michael Moore is a good example of freedom of speech. What we don't have is the freedom to travel from country to country unless they find that we are not terriorists.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:28:07 PM new
Kraft - I always laugh when I read you lefties calling others 'sheep' or referring to the same. We no more see ourselves as followers than the liberals do and we're not.
We each take the positions of the different parties and what their candidates are saying...and make an adult decision on which way we want to see the country headed.
Like with kerry....besides taking all the positions to win everyone's votes he is an ultra-liberal. Anyone looking at his voting record can see just how far off the democratic platform he always has been. His votes are almost always in the minority of the other DEMOCRATS. The majority of dems don't support that far-left of an agenda....but this election cycle too many were voting more for 'anybody but Bush' and kerry just happened to be the one in that place.
I'm certainly not a follower. But when I have only the choices of choosing between a wacked-out-ultra-liberal-pretend-Catholic and a more to the right conservative who's willing to defend this country....then my choice gets real easy.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:36:05 PM new
profe - I'm sorry, but I just can't buy the idea that anyone here is afraid of being attacked by our most uncivil posters.
Well...I wish you were right...and maybe you are...I just have seen the personal attacks on those that have the 'will' to ever agree with me. They've been called terrible things....as$suckers....lapdogs..etc. Just because we found one or two areas of agreement.
That is what I referred to.
Anyone afraid of the schoolyard taunts of people here has probably never posted, and as such can't be counted. There's a difference, you know, between not stooping to talk to those folks, and being afraid of them.
Yes, I know...and ol' 'tough skinned' conservatives, like myself have hung around anyway. But I've seen too many leave or only post a few times and they've mentioned the abuse. So I do believe it makes a difference to the more 'delicate' people. You know....those who have been used to communicating and [gasp] even disagreeing on a civil level in prior conversations.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:51:28 PM new
"I'm sorry, but I just can't buy the idea that anyone here is afraid of being attacked by our most uncivil posters. Anyone afraid of the schoolyard taunts of people here has probably never posted, and as such can't be counted. There's a difference, you know, between not stooping to talk to those folks, and being afraid of them".
Thanks for saying this, this is one reason I have crowfarm on ignore. I am not afraid of her just the language she uses to call someone to task....she IS the school yard bully.....
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