posted on January 22, 2005 10:47:34 AM new
I am curious as to what people think would stop the division of America.
We are moving continuously to the right but is there such a thing as to far right? or left?
I think the only way the division will stop is some catastrophic event such as 9/11 to happen again. We need something to rally the people together for one purpose, I believe this is why we will not get attacked here on this soil again.
As far as moving right, yes it can be to far right or left. However unless certain groups stop pushing, then other groups won't push back. That is all it is a power struggle.
posted on January 22, 2005 12:10:51 PM new
To be honest, twelve, I don't think many even care about politics like we do on these threads. They're too busy raising families...living their lives to be bothered with the day to day BS we discuss. We're just political junkies....who have a 'slight' desire to argue our opinions/values and beliefs here.
So many don't even bother to vote....and only watch and form their decisions on the last few political TV ads. And I feel that's a shame....but..more did vote in this election than for many, many years....so maybe that's a good sign. There's always hope.
But on the division....I hold no optimism. As we have seen in the past three major elections [2000,2003 and this one] more American's are getting tired of the far-left's agenda...and want our funding and energies put towards our own country....and voting them out.
The Iraq war and it's outcome will be a large determining factor which direction this country takes. My personal belief is that the far left liberals are so blind they can't see that we will be dealing with these terrorist for years and years. They think they can 'learn to understand' and 'talk' with people who slice heads off of those that don't believe the same way they do. I'd love to see anyone of them personally do this 'talking' with any of these terrorist extremists.
And I will agree that, at times, the extreme right goes too far. But I also agree that they're getting more and more support as the extreme liberals work to turn this country into a socialist 'world' country and continue bashing all the good in others. It's not working for them....but they haven't recognized that yet. [yea]
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posted on January 22, 2005 12:23:49 PM new
I am a firm believer that America's greatest strength is her diversity. You cannot have diversity without divisions. I encourage others to enjoy their freedoms in America and build bridges for co-operation and understanding. This does not mean you may redefine the vocabulary or teach extreme live styles as acceptable as norms. But I will celebrate your right to be different and strengthen that crazy concept called Democracy. No one persons narrow viewpoint will triumph when all viewpoints work together.
posted on January 22, 2005 12:59:26 PM new
I agree with you, Parklane. There seems to be some mindset that everyone should agree on everything in order to get along, but I disagree. Our checks and balances always come from opposing thinkers, imo.
When Bush claimed he was going to aim at uniting the right & left (& in between)in 2000, his idea was conformity. Many saw through it but the majority didn't, which is sad. The left will never be sheep to the right and that's a GOOD thing.
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:21:36 PM new
Right Kraft you are one of them. So am I and so are the rest of us but when someone posts their point of view there is always someone who comes and posts either obsentities or how stupid we are. Whether we are stupid or not we have a right to an opinion. whether it be right or wrong. But always posters are reminded how stupid and ignorant they are....soon this discussion board will die down as any discussion is soon demolished as they hardly ever stay on topic.
If a poster posts something that a poster doesn't feel that it is right why can't they come back like you did in a mild and mannor posting about what you thought. NO, it doesn't happen in here. Your point of view whether I agree or disaggree needs to have an answer not a tongue lashing.
posted on January 22, 2005 01:32:12 PM new
parklane - I enjoyed your post as I have others that are more reasonable in thought. When I get most discouraged about issues....it's brings my spirits up to read another person saying the disagreements are healthy and bring balance. Thank you.
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Libra - The reason for that is many don't practice what they preach....tolerance of others. They only expect, and sometimes even demand, it from others...but haven't gained their own ability to actually put it in practice themselves.
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:33:03 PM new
Okay.. here is the answer to your post you stupid old cow..
Libra is condemning all of the ones who interrupt a thread with their own personal agenda ...she says
So am I and so are the rest of us but when someone posts their point of view there is always someone who comes and posts either obsentities or how stupid we are. Whether we are stupid or not we have a right to an opinion. whether it be right or wrong. But always posters are reminded how stupid and ignorant they are....soon this discussion board will die down as any discussion is soon demolished as they hardly ever stay on topic.
You mean just exactly what you do?, for example in Crowfarms thread you did just exactly what you accuse others of doing!!
Libra enters Crows thread to contribute what?
[i]Linda when crowfarm starts a post this is all I get.
Ignore all Message Center posts by crowfarm
So what she says is meaningless to me and with maggie answering it is only follow a pitiful leader....[/i]
You stupid old cow, nothing but a hypocrite
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:36:48 PM new
Oh WOW...another of maggies name calling tantrums. Why don't you go back to trying to use your 'charms' on the guys here? That's so much more fun that your constant tirades.
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:42:28 PM new
LOL.. when you have no defense.. change the subject.. Linda...
As far as charms go.. the only thing you can charm these days old woman is your plastic love toy.. and it really doesn't have a choice.. did your husband have to hold his nose when it was his turn? LOL
posted on January 22, 2005 01:43:22 PM new
Libra, you just have to look for the good in what each poster has to offer instead of dwelling on the crap because that part won't end - here or in real life. Maybe posting here is teaching us all how to deal with different personality types and ideas that we maybe wouldn't encounter in real life. Who knows? But it's not all bad or none of us would return.
posted on January 22, 2005 01:52:05 PM new
Change the subject, maggie? I do believe my post was ON topic...you're the one who started the whining again. Must you take your nastiness and negativity into each and every thread?
Get a grip on yourself, maggie.
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posted on January 22, 2005 01:53:17 PM new
Not sure if parklane still has me on ignore, but I am going to post my reply on this anayway.
But I will celebrate your right to be different
Yes by calling me "the plug and socket challenged". If that is your idea of celebrating then you can keep your celebration to yourself.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:06:20 PM new
No.. Linda.. I was merely pointing out to the stupid old cow that she does exactly what she accuses others of doing.. but obviously you aren't bright enough to see that.. or you choose not to notice..
You mentioned that you find it fun watching me use my charms on the male posters here... and it got me thinking.. you seem to be very needy,if you have to get your jolly's and fun through the charms of others... so let me play match maker for you..
I am very sure if you ask nicely enough, Twelvetroll would be very happy to let you give him a BJ.. he seems to have it on his mind all of the time lately, and it would give your plastic toy a rest and save on batteries to boot! And next time you suggest I get a grip... perhaps you can give me lessons, as I imagine you have worked up quite a grip with that toy of yours.. LOL
posted on January 22, 2005 02:13:55 PM new
Linda, I will admit that I am as guilty as others on this board when it comes to name calling.
With that being said you have some nerve to say the following:
Maybe a better example would have been for me to say....Jesus loves the sinner....not the sin.
Let me express that in Vendio terms for you. Attack the post not the poster.
Then you have the nerve to tell Libra this: The reason for that is many don't practice what they preach....tolerance of others. They only expect, and sometimes even demand, it from others...but haven't gained their own ability to actually put it in practice themselves.
You should take your own advice Linda. You do not have a clue what tolerance is.
Would it help if I explained it in "Jesus speak": Do onto others as you would have done unto you.
Do they not preach that down in the Bible Belt?
Linda do you suffer from Alzheimer's? In my opinion you are suffering from something because you are not well.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:38:21 PM new
"You mean just exactly what you do?, for example in Crowfarms thread you did just exactly what you accuse others of doing!!"
I have the RIGHT to IGNORE posters remarks as does everyone here and I find hers very offensive. She never stays on a topic just like you.
Then you answer
"You stupid old cow, nothing but a hypocrite"
Unbelievable an adult person can be so obnoxious. First you want us to feel sorry for you then you come in and attack us. I will bet you never read all the threads as I posted information about Breast Cancer but you just pick and choose the threads you want to so you can attack. I will never feel sorry for you Maggie, the reason being how you act in here, but if your daughter has breast cancer I will feel bad for her. There are many options out their for her and I surely hope that she takes advantage of everyone of them. Breast Cancer is cureable if caught before the lump is to big or spread to too many lymph nodes. Cure rate is very high.
posted on January 22, 2005 02:49:14 PM new
logansdad - Feel better after adding a few more insults ?
Do onto others as you would have done unto you.
Yes, a great way to live by. No disagreement there on my side.
Do they not preach that down in the Bible Belt?
Since I'm not in school nor do I attend Church ...in the Bible Belt....I don't really know what they preach. But I love the people here...they're God fearing and family loving gracious, giving, helpful good people.
Linda do you suffer from Alzheimer's? In my opinion you are suffering from something because you are not well.
Thank you for what's surely a well meant concern . I quit well and have all my value systems in perfect order. I am against gay marriage.
So rant and rave all you wish...insult away...you are slowly loosing ground in the courts....and I'm not the only one causing it.
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posted on January 22, 2005 02:51:46 PM new
Linda, which state do you live in? Is it Arkansas?
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 22, 2005 08:54:04 PM new
Sorry, twelve, by the time I read all the posts following your original post, I don't remember what this thread was all about. . . .
Oh, yes, the division of America. What needs to be done is everyone needs to move to the middle. I'd like to see that happen, but unfortunately, I think it's too late for that. I honestly think in the beginning (2000) Bush had good intentions just wrong choices in the people he's appointed. What you need is a balance of right and left. The way it stands, we're very tilted to the right and that's helped a great deal in dividing this country. When you stop listening to what everyone is saying and only hear what some are saying you get to where we are today. If most corporations operated the way this government is, they'd be out of employees by now because everyone would have quit.
If all you do is continue to please one group, you alienate all of the others. I have to believe there is a way to please the religious conservatives in this country without pissing off those that don't hold the same beliefs and providing some way to please them as well. If there's not, we're in real trouble. There has to be some give and take. So far, all I've seen is the "take".
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
posted on January 22, 2005 09:16:47 PM new
Cheryl I agree with what you have said, but I disagree with the point about America moving more toward the middle. At this time I feel most people in this country are at a middle point as some of the graphs showing America as being more purple than red and blue.
As a country we feel more divided than we actually are in my opinion. We feel we are more divided because of certain issues where the country is at complete opposite ends. Instead of listening to what people have to say, as you have stated Cheryl, you have lawmakers from the president on down, hastily passing laws based on fear and what might happen scenarios. It is easier passing laws based on proof, than it is trying to pass a law just to prove a negative.
The other problem which has caused this division is the electoral process. In my opinion I think the average voter does not feel their vote counts any more. They have lost faith in the electoral system (ie the way votes are tabulated.) I base this on the closeness of the last two elections and how the race was ultimately decided. If there was a greater margin of victory I think this "great division" would be a lot less. If we continue to have doubts about the way the votes are tabulated in this country, I feel we will see the division continue as long as the races are close.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 22, 2005 09:38:45 PM new
Logansdad-I have not lost faith in the electoral college. My vote did count. My state lost but at least I got to vote. If they go by popular vote states would not have to hold elections as California would elect your president.
If parties would nominate candidates that are credible and worthy to be President and not way off to the left or right maybe then the popular vote would be effective until then this process has to stay. Think about it.
posted on January 22, 2005 09:56:22 PM newInstead of listening to what people have to say...
The people are having their say, it is not law makers or anything else... it is the will of the people... however certain groups can't live with that, nor do they really want to hear.
People have turned to their law makers, because some elected officials decided they would go against the will of the people...
posted on January 23, 2005 06:10:53 AM new
Libra, I can see why you would think that, but I disagree with your reasoning. You are assuming everyone in California would be voting for one candidate or the other.
In the past election approx 6.2M people in California voted for Kerry while approx. 5.1 M voted for Bush. In Texas 4.5M voted for Bush while 2.8M voted for Kerry.
If you add up the votes in those two states 9M voted for Kerry while 9.6M voted for Bush. If you go by the total popular vote Bush wins.
Even if everyone in California voted for Bush whats to say, 10 smaller states whose combined population exceeds California wouldn't vote against Bush.
Some on here have said the people elected Bush, the people choose the president. If that is the case then it is the "popular vote" that should matter in my opinion and not the electoral college.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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posted on January 23, 2005 12:24:14 PM newThe other problem which has caused this division is the electoral process.
Well....since our Nation's founding...we've always had the electoral system. And this time President Bush won BOTH the electoral college votes AND the popular.
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posted on January 24, 2005 05:12:09 AM new
That's right Linda and it is killing the left... when they screamed about the popular vote last election... this one they were hoping for the electoral one... LOL
posted on January 24, 2005 07:18:45 AM new
Linda, a question was asked and I gave my opinion. I am sorry you don't agree with what I said. But again, it is my belief that the elction process is one of the things that have led to the division in this country. You can state your own opinions and I will continue to state mine.
Again you have twisted my words. Please point out where I said we have not had an electoral college since day 1 or that Bush would not have won in 2004.
If the electoral college was not in existence, only two of the election results would have been different. One in the 1800's and the 2000 election. I will continue to believe the electoral college is not necessary in our election process.
I have stated in previous threads why the electoral college was set up - one of them being that the founding fathers did not think "regular every day people" could make a proper decision on who should be president. To me that is an issult.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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desire to argue our opinions/values and beliefs here.
I do believe my post was ON topic...you're the one who started the whining again. Must you take your nastiness and negativity into each and every thread?
