posted on February 21, 2005 07:43:06 AM new
There's now little doubt about it...that's ok though, since we didn't sign the Kyoto agreement, it won't affect the US
posted on February 21, 2005 04:38:33 PM new
Well, if it's getting warmer I wish someone would tell old man Winter. It's not only colder this year than last, it's snowier and icier. It's been progressively getting worse each year.
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
posted on February 21, 2005 05:12:01 PM new
Well...Canada has ratified their Kyoto agreement. We'll see in about 6-7 years just how their economy is fairing. Quite a reduction they've agreed to meet - 6% under 1990 levels and by 2012. And in other articles they're already saying they probably won't be able to reach it in time. lol Some projections have said they're expecting to see around a 450,000 jump in job losses because they have signed this treaty. We'll see.
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posted on February 21, 2005 10:49:42 PM new
I seem to remember just, oh, 25 or so years ago when people were screaming about the new ice age that was on it's way.
Maybe we should rename it "The Wonderous HoT-Cold Flux of the Planet Earth" to describe the climate changes every 30 years or so.
In Christ,
Rick "I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: "I'm ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I do not accept His claim to be God." That is one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic....or else he would be the devil of Hell. You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut Him up for a fool, you can spit at Him and kill Him as a demon; or you can fall at His feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about His being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."
posted on February 22, 2005 06:59:35 AM new
Any one else notice how Linda's first post on this subject was to attack Canada.
When she doesn't have a good response or the post goes against something Bush proposes, she goes on attack mode.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on February 22, 2005 08:45:41 AM new
What neocons fail to realize is that if something isn't done about pollution and global warming we will have much bigger problems than jobs and the economy although the economy will tank if something isn't done about global warming.
But they will blindly follow their leader who doesn't believe in "science" or give a rat's ass about the opinions of other countries even though he's over their trying his best to suck up big time AFTER THE FACT.
Maybe he should listen to them FIRST this time.
NAAWWW, listening, learning, diplomacy......no place in THIS administration.
posted on February 22, 2005 12:41:51 PM newThe United States, although a signatory to the protocol, has neither ratified nor withdrawn from the protocol. The protocol is non-binding over the United States unless ratified.
On June 25, 1997, before the Kyoto Protocol was to be negotiated, the U.S. Senate passed by a 95-0 vote the Byrd-Hagel Resolution (S. Res. 98), which stated the sense of the Senate was that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol that did not include binding targets and timetables for developing as well as industrialized nations or "would result in serious harm to the economy of the United States".
Disregarding the Senate Resolution, on November 12, 1998, Vice President Al Gore symbolically signed the protocol.
Aware of the Senate's view of the protocol, the Clinton Administration never submitted the protocol for ratification.
The current President, George W. Bush, has indicated that he does not intend to submit the treaty for ratification, not because he does not support the general idea, but because he is not happy with the details of the treaty. For example, he does not support the split between Annex I countries and others.
Bush said of the treaty:
The world's second-largest emitter of greenhouse gases is China. Yet, China was entirely exempted from the requirements of the Kyoto Protocol. This is a challenge that requires a 100 percent effort; ours, and the rest of the world's. America's unwillingness to embrace a flawed treaty should not be read by our friends and allies as any abdication of responsibility. To the contrary, my administration is committed to a leadership role on the issue of climate change. Our approach must be consistent with the long-term goal of stabilizing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere.
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posted on February 22, 2005 01:05:41 PM new
And at what cost to the US?
From 2000 -
According to the U.S. Energy Information Agency, Kyoto would cost the U.S. economy $ 400 billion per year in production that would have been shut down; raise electric utility bills by 80 percent to 85 percent and impose a permanent Kyoto gasoline tax of 45 cents to 55 cents per gallon.
As if the shocking economic costs were not enough of an argument against Kyoto, the mounting scientific evidence questioning the impact of human behavior on climate change has increasingly robbed global warming theorists of their veneer of scientific credibility.
Roger Pielke of the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research admitted as much when he said, "Each new scientific finding only raises new questions" about the truth of the global warming theory and that climate science, instead of being a pillar for theory advocates, can "turn around and bite you."
Probably the biggest bite climate science has taken out of the global warming theory is by NASA weather satellites, the most accurate measurement of global temperature. Readings from those satellites indicate that the Earth stopped warming more than 20 years ago.
This contradicts the prediction of global warming theory proponents that global warming would cause the temperature to increase by 0.6 degrees between 1979 and 2000.
[i]But it turns out that whatever global warming or cooling may occur, humans are probably not to blame. Many scientists believe that the main factor influencing changes in the Earth's temperature is the sun.
-----------------So I'm glad we're not signing the agreement UNTIL we get a better deal than we've been offered. To spend $400 BILLION a year plus additional taxes...on a 'guess' as to whether or not we ARE even dealing with global warming...I don't think so. On our emissions issues....we don't need a 'world governing body' to tell us, nor charge us, with what we can do ourselves...clean up our OWN environment.
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posted on February 22, 2005 01:17:11 PM new
This White House is already making millions of people sick about how they are running the economy and their proposed fixes. Now this White House wants to make us sicker breathing bad air.
HEY MIDDLE CLASS AMERICA GET REALLY INFORMED. LOOK REAL CLOSELY AT WHAT THIS WHITE HOUSE IS DOING TO THE AMERICAN ECONOMY. THEN LOOK AT THEIR PROPOSED FIXES.
posted on February 22, 2005 01:56:02 PM new
From the EPA website
According to the National Academy of Sciences, the Earth's surface temperature has risen by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the past century, with accelerated warming during the past two decades. There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. Human activities have altered the chemical composition of the atmosphere through the buildup of greenhouse gases – primarily carbon dioxide, methane, and nitrous oxide. The heat-trapping property of these gases is undisputed although uncertainties exist about exactly how earth’s climate responds to them. Go to the Emissions section for much more on greenhouse gases.
Once, all climate changes occurred naturally. However, during the Industrial Revolution, we began altering our climate and environment through changing agricultural and industrial practices. Before the Industrial Revolution, human activity released very few gases into the atmosphere, but now through population growth, fossil fuel burning, and deforestation, we are affecting the mixture of gases in the atmosphere.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on February 22, 2005 02:20:15 PM newwe don't need a 'world governing body' to tell us, nor charge us, with what we can do ourselves...clean up our OWN environment.
The Bush administration took nearly 150 actions to undermine environmental protections over the past year, consistent with its historic assault on the nation's environmental safeguards. This January 2005 NRDC report assesses the Bush presidency's first-term environmental policies, and previews battles expected during the administration's second term.
I am glad we have Bush taking a stand to clean up our environment - NOT
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
---------------------------------- Bush will fix Social Security just like he has fixed Osama Bin Laden and Iraq. Bush can't be trusted to run this country and you want to trust him with your retirement?
posted on February 22, 2005 07:19:18 PM new
Alleged experts claim:
it is getting warmer,
people are to blame,
and the weather is going to suffer
HUH?
Prove to me people are doing more than spitting in a hurricane. Seriously, I feel that even if we do effect our biosphere in any manner our attempts to 'fix' it will do something other than to correct our original influence.
Plus the weather won't suffer, it is looking more robust than ever.
Don't believe all the bilge they pass down the pipe to scare the kiddies, profe.
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The Islamofascist fig-puckers are fighting to spread their culture and religion, and to destroy ours
posted on February 22, 2005 07:35:23 PM new
You seem very cavalier about the environment, Parklane. A 1 degree temperature difference is a big deal when you're talking about ice. Animals depend on it for their welfare and it has a big effect on water levels, etc. It's not just people who are affected.
posted on February 22, 2005 09:16:19 PM new
I agree with Parklane on this one.
Barnett said climate models based on air temperatures are weak because most of the evidence for global warming is not even there.
I'll tell you what else is missing is a long term study, which would be practically impossible because humans have only really been industrialised and poluting in a major way for no more than about 150 years. A long term study of this magnatude can't possible be done in just a few years. It would have to take several hundred years or maybe even thousands of years because major climate changes in Earths historic past like ice ages for example lasted for hundreds of years.
Could a climate system simply do this on its own? The answer is clearly no," Barnett said.
Why is the answer clearly no? Couldn't this all just be a normal cycle that the Earth is going through. How many ice ages have there been with warming in between??
posted on February 25, 2005 03:10:30 AM new
"we don't need a 'world governing body' to tell us, nor charge us, with what we can do ourselves...clean up our OWN environment."
The major focus of Kyoto is for the signers to determine how much to limit American industry because we are the "biggest economy" in the world. We should sign WHEN the industries in Russia, China, Eastern Europe, and East Germany are as clean as ours.
