gravid
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posted on March 26, 2001 09:31:14 PM new
Read http://www.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/03/26/school.whistleblower/
What a can of worms.
Girl reports boy in school for making threatening remarks.
He is suspended and taken to court.
Family sues over lack of due process and wins - then goes after girl for slander.
Everthing boils down to which kid you believe.
But now the state wants to pass an immunity law for people reportings such things.
So now if anyone doesn't like you or you are not popular they can just report you as saying a threat and there is no protection from the little brownshirts.
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spazmodeus
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posted on March 26, 2001 09:59:22 PM new
So now if anyone doesn't like you or you are not popular they can just report you as saying a threat and there is no protection from the little brownshirts.
So if now you're a deranged wanna-be mass murderer and somebody overhears you plotting your blaze-of-glory, they can report you without having to worry that some ambulance-chasing lawyer and your parents won't come after them for having the courage to stop you before you get a chance to hurt anyone.
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Zazzie
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posted on March 26, 2001 10:57:21 PM new
This will be the new catch-word at the school level.
http://www.selfhelpmagazine.com/articles/depress/hysteria.html
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bobbysoxer
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posted on March 27, 2001 01:27:34 AM new
Same old - same old.
Like the witch hunts during the dark ages, the commie scare during the 50s and many other incidents, people will use the revenge tactic to falsely accuse their "enemy." Revenge 101.
Unfortunately like everything else the valid complaints or concerns slip through the cracks while the bogus ones get the attention. Which ends up with tragic endings.
Ooops gravid didn't see your "brown shirt" reference which is another example of oppression and few other things.....
[ edited by bobbysoxer on Mar 27, 2001 01:30 AM ]
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gravid
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posted on March 27, 2001 04:01:48 AM new
spazmodeus - You are right - that will happen also - but remembering the kids you went to school with what will the ratio be of true to false? "He's a terrorist." will replace "Oh he's a spaz." and "He's so queer." from the trash queens.
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Borillar
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posted on March 27, 2001 07:29:50 AM new
It is likely that some reporting standards will have to be created. Certainkly, no one wants to return to the Brownshirt Syndrome. The Brownshirt Syndrome is that type of activity that allows false accusations to occur without reprisal. This is usually the method proposed by ignorant people, persons so uneducated in history that they fail to see how this never works out correctly. We end up having to suffer through each cycle of abuse. Sometimes these people even get elected-by-force to the White House in an illegal presidency . . .
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HJW
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posted on March 27, 2001 07:32:26 AM new
gravid,
Your stand on this issue doesn't correlate
with the vigilente justice that you advocate in the case of the 12 year old Tate boy.
Here, you want "protection" from the "little
brownshirts" yet you would be at ease if
the tate boy's head was cut off with a sword.
Helen
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gravid
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posted on March 27, 2001 09:58:01 AM new
vigilante? no
different legal system - different standards of proof and conduct
I am not real keen on either but I could live under the Arabian one as easy as ours.
The difference in the Arabian system was that the law looks at the family as being wronged instead of the State.
The Arab system IS NOT " vigilente justice"
They have a court system usually a group of judges instead of a jury and if the person is found guilty the hurt party - the murdered persons family can elect to extend mercy and forgive the murderer. And that DOES happen.
There are families that see there were extenuating circumstances and forgive.
On the other hand if they don't forgive it at least requires that they have the power of their convictions and appoint a family member to act as executioner. They do not allow a clean aniseptic killing by a person acting for the state. I have never understood how a doctor can inject and kill a man in good conscience based on the say so of the state that they deserve it. They should at least require someone from the jury to act as executionor. How easy to let someone else do it for you.
I don't think I would want to try that wrestling practice defense with berieved relatives though...
And yes if someone killed my wife and it was not a case of accident but they did so in an armed robbery or as a drunk driver I could slice their head off and never lose a nights good sleep. Don't need to borrow a knife either - I have a 30 inch antique cane knife that will cut a 2x4 in one stroke.
Edited to add - If the little girls family had had the chance to pass on the guilty verdict the kid would likely have walked.
In the papers they were very understanding and did not at all seem hateful. The judge had little leeway due to the sentancing laws.
I fail to see that the State of Florida has a greater interest than her family that they should override their wishes.
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HJW
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posted on March 27, 2001 12:09:41 PM new
gravid,
I think you are trying to shock me! 
Helen
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gravid
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posted on March 27, 2001 03:05:25 PM new
Sorry was not my intent, nor to offend.
Different people live different think completely different. Even the ones who have been here quite a long time. I have known a few and understand their motives and assumptions have
completely different origins. The Arabs I understand better than many of the Orientals.
Which is to say more than zero.
I really have never known many African - Africans. I did meet some people from Nigeria and later they liked me enough that when they went home they sent me a dashiki with the pants and so forth all embroidered in detail pale sea green on a pale green woven in little squares patterns. They were very generous and appreciated hospitality.
They seemed closer to Europeans in thinking than the others I have meet.
[ edited by gravid on Mar 27, 2001 03:18 PM ]
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HJW
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posted on March 27, 2001 03:34:29 PM new
Gravid,
The study of cultures and how they handle
the same problems in so many varied ways is really very interesting.
Thanks for the little lesson on Arab justice.
As you have probably gathered, I don't believe in killing anything. But we can
all have different ideas and still get along.
Your wife is well protected! If someone
killed me, my husband would celebrate!
Have a happy evening!
Helen
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spazmodeus
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posted on March 27, 2001 03:49:02 PM new
spazmodeus - You are right - that will happen also - but remembering the kids you went to school with what will the ratio be of true to false? "He's a terrorist." will replace "Oh he's a spaz." and "He's so queer." from the trash queens.
Well, at least you buried the insult under a layer or two of plausible explanation.
[ edited by spazmodeus on Mar 27, 2001 03:51 PM ]
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gravid
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posted on March 27, 2001 05:28:37 PM new
Gee spaz I was not really thinking of YOU.
I was not too popular in school. That was said to ME a lot.
Am I using too many capitals?
OK HJW I don't believe that even if you had not put the smiley face on.
It does help my wife a little that her people know me. She had one professor come in yelling and swear at her. She asked him " Do I have to have my husband speak to you about this?" For some reason that got not only a big apology then and later in the day repeated but Godiva chocolate on the desk in the morning. Now she might forgive them killing me for enough chocolate. She brought home some of these super cookies that are about $2 each and I said they had too much chocolate. She pretty much felt like you that I was trying to shock her. It seems there is no such thing as too much chocolate and I am
to remember that and not talk dirty.
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