posted on May 23, 2001 11:32:19 AM new
I've never been a fan of Voyager and I'll only watch episodes between commercials on other channels. I would like to watch this one though, because the one for DS-9 was, to me, the best end-of-series footage ever shot (I wasn't overly fond of DS-9 either).
I prefer more realistic sci-fi series, like Babylon-5 and Crusade. J. Micheal Strasynsky is making a new series with the Sci-Fi channel. It will apppear next January and will be stories about the Rangers.
posted on May 23, 2001 11:43:32 AM new
I never did watch DS9. Didn't like the one episode I watched part of...
The episode of Voyager I saw this season was very good. It was about a violent criminal who had been sentenced to death, but when the Doctor operated on him for injuries it was found that part of his brain wasn't functional. When that part of his brain was repaired it activated his conscience, which had previously been absent, explaining his violent criminal tendencies.
It really made me think about how our personalities are controlled by the physical structures and chemistry of our brains.
posted on May 23, 2001 12:57:01 PM newVoyager has suffered from identity crisis from the very start. The creators couldn't decide whether it was an extension of Star Trek The Next Generation or a whole new animal. The result has been a plodding, half-hearted attempt at both, a miserable failure in my opinion.
The writing has been consistently weak. Despite a multi-season run, I can count the memorable episodes on one hand. I watched the show because there was usually nothing else that interested me on at that time of night.
The Neelix character turned me off the moment they introduced him. And the whole "let's get back to the Alpha quadrant" storyline grew thin really fast. It was like a roadtrip that never ended. Worse, there weren't even any recognizable landmarks along the way to judge their progress.
Seven Of Nine leaves as the most memorable character, in my opinion. And it has nothing to do with her acting ability, LOL.
posted on May 23, 2001 02:18:00 PM new
LOL, spaz, about Seven of Nine. I don't think it's *just* the packaging, though. She was my favorite for a number of reasons, mainly because she was so much more interesting than the others.
I've never liked Neelix, either, and my husband kept wishing they'd kill him off on the show. That happened once last season but they revived him. I thought hubby was going to have a conniption fit...
posted on May 23, 2001 02:34:47 PM new
Thanks for reminding me
I never watch it, only caught a few of them.
Will Seven of Nine get together with what his name finally?
The Star Trek producers are coming out with another for next season, and I forgot what it was called, it is supposed to take place BEFORE the original Star Trek... I think its called 'Enterprise'?
posted on May 23, 2001 02:44:31 PM new
It's Attack of the Season Finales tonight. Voyager on UPN 8-10 PM EST ... Dawson's Creek on the Frog (don't you hate that?) 8-9 PM EST ... and Law & Order on NBC, 9-11 PM EST ... I hope my VCR (and my VCR programming skills) are up to the challenge.
P.S. And yes, I do watch Dawson's Creek. Wanna make something of it? LOL.
[ edited by spazmodeus on May 23, 2001 02:46 PM ]
Dawson's Creek is a teen melodrama set in the fictional town of Capeside, on Cape Cod, Massachusetts. The main character is Dawson Leary, an overly serious young man with his heart set on becoming a filmmaker. He is an only child, with parents who don't quite get along. The family's gorgeous home is situated on a tidal creek, hence the name of the series ...
Then there's Dawson's childhood sweetheart, Joey Potter (played by Katie Holmes), who lives downcreek. Dawson and Joey love each other but never have been able to put it together for one reason or another. Very star-crossed, those two. Joey's got her own baggage -- her dad's in jail, she's being raised by her sister, the family's always on the verge of bankruptcy. But Joey's very smart and has a future. Will she languish in Capeside or move on to bigger and better things? Does she love Dawson, does she not love Dawson? These are the trials of Joey Potter.
There's also Dawson's ne'er-do-well best friend Pacey, who reminds me of George Clooney for some reason. He always seems to get in trouble for making the wrong choices, but it's because he follows his heart, not his head. Pacey's the character who first got me interested in the series. Here he was, a 17 year old, having an affair with his very hot, very sophisticated female teacher. I had to admire that.
To round out the original foursome we have Jen, a pretty though somewhat shopworn blonde. Back in Boston, Jen got involved with the wrong people, did a lot of drinking, a lot of drugs, a lot of sex. Her parents pretty much disowned her and sent her out to live with her grandmother in Capeside, I guess thinking that the non-city life would give her a chance to mend her ways. Jen falls in and out of temptation with the bottle and boys but alway emerges the wiser.
In later seasons they added two more characters, a brother and sister. The brother turns out to be gay and the sister has psychological problems (for which she gets institutionalized at one point). They also have a father who's angry about his daughter's mental problems and in denial about his son being attracted to other young men.
What I like about the series is that everyone is so deep, LOL. These kids speak and react as though they're 40. Makes me feel that my own teen years were pretty lame, lol.
posted on May 23, 2001 04:11:57 PM new
Gads---I've warned everyone not to call me at all tonight during Voyager!! I got the sniffles a couple of weeks ago when Neelix decided to leave the ship and stay with a colony of Talaxians as a 'Federation Ambassador'---so tonight I'll be a wreck.
Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) has already got a new job---she'll be on Boston Public.
Voyager didn't come into it's own til the 3rd/4th season---but most of the episodes have been pretty awesome with only a few clunkers.
I never watched DS9 much when it was being produced but now that is in synidcation and on every night--I've come to really enjoy it. I really like the soap opera quality to it--and when they started with the War with the Dominion.
They have started production and taping of the 5th series---it takes place in the 22nd century and Scott Bakula (the guy from Quantum Leap) will be the Captain--with a female Vulcan 2nd in command.
posted on May 23, 2001 04:56:02 PM new
Spaz, it sounds better written than the usual melodrama. I'll have to catch it in reruns, because I do want to see the last Voyager.
My favorite was "Call Me Schweitzer" when the Doc goes into Beowolf.
posted on May 23, 2001 06:16:34 PM new
Zazzie! thats the one I was thinking of!
Where they are making Scott Bakula as the captian, and I believe I heard they were calling it Enterprise.
dang they must mold that suit right on Seven of Nine!
I like Janeway the best, not sure why, she never did have a love interest in the show though, I don't think.
posted on May 23, 2001 06:23:31 PM new
Somehow Seven of Nine was much yummier before I met and was singularly unimpressed with Jeri Ryan. Took the edge right off that crush.
posted on May 23, 2001 10:16:36 PM new
Sbunny meets Seven of Nine? Now that would have been a good episode, lol. Where did you meet her, Jen?
As for the finale, I just finished watching it on tape. It was a good story -- too bad it was a complete rip-off of a story they did two seasons ago, wherein an aged Harry Kim returns to the past from the future to undo Voyager's destruction. Took a lot of nerve -- or just sheer laziness -- to so blatantly recycle their own plotline.
posted on May 24, 2001 01:28:08 AM new
After the sixth Star Trek spin-off, it's all leftovers anymore. I thought there were some good twists. Janeway sacrificing herself for the crew was in the spirit of the show. Kim got his comeuppance. It was a bit more tragic than I would have liked, but that's artistic license I suppose. The bit about changing the future by going back in the past has been done to death.
posted on May 24, 2001 04:35:21 AM newSbunny meets Seven of Nine? Now that would have been a good episode, lol. Where did you meet her, Jen?
Atlanta. She participated in a con I attended. She was definitely easy on the eyes. We spent an hour listening to her insult her fans and then (a friend and I) were blessed with additional time to chat with Ms. Ryan over drinks.
posted on May 24, 2001 09:43:34 AM new
Parts were good, but the going back in time, like the rest, its been done too much.
AND she changed history too, course no one will know how much she changed, no more Voyager..... Seven of Nine may not have married Chakotay, found she had a ton of admirers on earth and dumped him Janeway destroyed the Borg, so they didn't need to study the Borg, as it was shown in the academy and on.....
posted on May 24, 2001 10:00:44 AM new
I found the final episode to be a little disappointing. Not too exciting and no real surprises. The "grey hair" looked weird and fake on most of the crew.
It would have been better if the older Janeway had become the new Borg queen.
posted on May 24, 2001 12:07:16 PM new
Ahhh----stop your whining.
Messing with time always confuse me---so I just go with the flow.
Unlike the way DS9 ended and most of those characters---these characters will be able to go on to Star Trek Movies--which I will enjoy.
Looking forward to the new show---I wonder if they will have tri-corders,replicators or transporters.
Triva note.....The transporters in the Original Star Trek were invented to save money in production costs (Lucille Ball of Desilu Productions was a cheapie). It would get the characters into the action faster and no expensive shuttle sets to build.
posted on May 24, 2001 01:40:55 PM new
If the future Tom Paris is any indicator of the impact that marriage and parenting can have on one's appearance, we would all do well to remain single and childless.
That had to be some of the worst makeup work I've seen since Highlander: The Series (which was notorious for bad wigs). The body padding looked ridiculously unnatural, especially on Barclay. Like they pulled open the collar of his uniform and poured five gallons of oatmeal down his shirt.
Even the aging makeup done for the original Trek episode The Dangerous Years was better than what we saw last night -- and that was more than 30 years ago.
Regrettable that Alice Krige (the Borg queen) was hidden beneath that costume. She's far more exotic and menacing looking in her natural state. Remember her from the movie Ghost Story?
We spent an hour listening to her insult her fans and then (a friend and I) were blessed with additional time to chat with Ms. Ryan over drinks.
