BobAlberti
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posted on September 20, 2001 01:17:22 PM new
I know, I know...people like to pretend to be someone they aren't and some like to hide behind a user name so they can declare all manner of truths or untruths, and still others don't want some other people to know they spend (or waste) time on computers.
How's this for a new concept - EVERYONE uses their REAL NAME on all auction sites and here on Auction Watch? Imagine that! No more accusations! No more fudging the truth. And best of all, everyone knows who everyone else is (unless, of course, they lie upon registration!). Still, it's a way to keep track of who is who, at least on line.
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bogalucy
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posted on September 20, 2001 01:28:50 PM new
Izzat you Roberta??????
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toollady
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posted on September 20, 2001 01:30:56 PM new
BobAlberti,
Unfortunately, there are those among us who will take a chatboard disagreement and turn it into something ugly.
Auction interference, pulling contact info and making harrassing phone calls, etc.
I've been around AW long enough to see it happen.
That is why some won't even post over here with their seller and/or buyer IDs.
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dimview
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:24:16 PM new
toollady,
You are so right. Best to keep ones discussion (opinions, etc.) distinctly separate from business (auction buying and selling, etc.).
Anyone posting to a public newsgroup (USENET), or chatboard (AuctionWatch and other web-based forums), etc. should understand that other participants are using anonymous userIDs.
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toollady
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:31:32 PM new
How do you think Emporer Gegy was taken down? 
Posting, or should I say spamming the newsgroups with his real name! LOL
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bidsbids
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:32:20 PM new
How about we do the opposite? Nobody use their real names. Too much monkey business goes on to use real names. After all, this is the internet.
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goldenpony
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posted on September 20, 2001 02:45:18 PM new
I agree somewhat with Bob on this one....maybe that's why you see so much "monkey business" cos people are so quick to speak differently than they would face to face by hiding behind the safety of anonymity. Maybe if there was a real user associated with a user name people wouldn't be so quick to do or say something stupid....just as a business is associated with their names so should all the users doing business on the internet. Maybe if a person could register a universal username like a domain name that would link them to their user information that could only be used by them, maybe that might help to verify the internet users as well as allow one identity to be universally used for business transactions.
This is a business to most and the game players could then be quickly weeded out. I've never used a posting ID and been subject to the pranks toollady mentioned but just as in my real business I use the various avenues to report the misuses and they magically stop. Maybe it is past time to have such a security of identity in place so everyone is working off the same level. I think many would loose the false courage to hurt others if it weren't made so easy to do...JMO 
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relayerone
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posted on September 20, 2001 03:51:05 PM new
I think "BobAlberti" is just as much a "user name" as "Goldenpony" or "Relayerone" in that who's to say if in fact that's Bobs real name? I could sign up all over the net as "MartinKeebler" and who would know that it wasn't me?
The good thing about user names is there can be only *one* on any given site that requires registration, for example how many "John Smiths" are there in N. America? Likely thousands, imagine how confusing it would be if everyone were permitted to register their real names, you'd never know which John Smith you were addressing.
The system is fine as is, people just need to think a little bit before hitting that "submit" button, that the user id you're submitting *to* is a living, breathing person with feelings just like you.
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deichen
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posted on September 20, 2001 04:03:05 PM new
DEICHEN here and only here!
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bidsbids
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posted on September 20, 2001 04:30:54 PM new
"I've never used a posting ID and been subject to the pranks toollady mentioned but just as in my real business I use the various avenues to report the misuses and they magically stop"
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There is a vast difference between the 'real world' and the cyber world. A game player can quickly ruin a feedback rating of an auction seller. Do you doubt for a moment that if someone here that is somewhat unpopular because of posting auction totals were to give their real user ID that there wouldn't be a ton of game playing with their auctions/feedback rating?
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goldenpony
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posted on September 20, 2001 04:42:35 PM new
I have no doubts what-so-ever that some will do that...I've seen it happen many times! That is one of the main issues of why the FB system is totally useless! Why even have it...all it is are a bunch of people leaving over pumped ratings for so-so sales in hope of pulling a good return rating....it also is a bunch of scared to leave appropriate ratings people running from the system. In fear of the almighty FB rating and getting that retalitory negative, most would rather sit back and do nothing...even leaving a neutral brings fear to the hearts of many!
Maybe this would be a GOOD place to start. Some site might do really good if they took the initiative to be an example and actually take a stand against allowing retalitory feedback. There are ways this could be done...heck, it couldn't be more screwed up than the present system so why not give it a go! Block those users that fail to follow through with a transaction...kinda like FB escrow. At the very least have a way to protest and have unjust FB removed.
Oh well....sorry, I've gone off into a different land....LOL....in answer to your question....I guess it depends on the person and how much they are willing to risk to be themselves  )
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bidsbids
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:02:25 PM new
It is because that it is so easy to mess around with auctions that it is absolutely imperative that a false identity be assumed when using a message board. On the free auctions you may be out a little time and a botched feedback rating but on eBay it starts to costs you money as a well and a VERY important feedback rating because you can actually sell high value items there.
Isn't it a whole lot easier to have everyone use false identities on message boards than real ones? If someone wants to get to the macho man-to-man stuff then they can travel and meet each other an flash social security numbers and driver licenses at each other. It's a lot easier and safer the other way around.
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goldenpony
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:12:05 PM new
I guess my point was that if "everyone" were required to register their user names like a domain name then there would not be as easy a problem of posting ID trouble makers being able to generate random accounts....they would all be traceable and accountable. If they were able to even be purchased as a domain name and universally used then it could almost be as valusble as a CC or DL for internet security. There will always be those that will find the side doors but the vast majority of abusers wouldn't have that hiding ability and therefore would probably less likely to abuse any intenet systems for fear of actual expulsion from the system
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toollady
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:40:56 PM new
goldenpony,
Not that I want to sound promotional and throw this thread off track, but, sellyouritem allows their users to rescind feedback within 30 days of leaving a neg.
That is the closest thing I've seen on any of the secondary sites, to what you propose.
Although, there is one site that shall remain nameless that will remove feedback if the user cries loud enough.
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goldenpony
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posted on September 20, 2001 05:48:36 PM new
toollady...thanks for the heads up...I keep seeing that site popping up so I guess I better take a peek ;o)
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dimview
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posted on September 21, 2001 07:08:07 AM new
BobAlberti >
How's this for a new concept - EVERYONE uses their REAL NAME on all auction sites and here on Auction Watch?
Your concept provides a very simple method for thieves to determine what items a bidder has won. And since they also have the real name of the bidder, the phone book will in most cases provide the address where the items are located.
Many buyers have purchased high-quality, high-cost items on eBay and other auctionsites, not the penny and dime sportscards that dominate another auctionsite.
[ edited by dimview on Sep 21, 2001 07:17 AM ]
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relayerone
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posted on September 22, 2001 10:13:09 AM new
Good point Dim.
Before eBay changed their policy, I had my user info pulled by people I had no dealings with and who's user IDs were unfamilar to me no less than *5* times. Complaints to eBay brought various levels of response, but as far as I was concerned, the damage was done-- my phone # and other personal info were now in the hands of those who had pulled my info.
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krazykeri
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posted on September 23, 2001 04:15:54 PM new
Not the Krazykeri on ebay or anywhere else- I want to be left alone from auction interference and still be able to say my piece.
Poor Keri- she's still crazy!!!!
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auctiongaurd
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posted on September 24, 2001 10:46:25 PM new
What? This IS my real name!
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auctiongaurd
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posted on September 24, 2001 10:52:09 PM new
Seriosly though, what if two or two hundred people have the same name? Lots of John Smiths in the world. What now, social security numbers?
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bidsbids
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posted on September 24, 2001 11:05:44 PM new
I see your point and it is well taken. I think that perhaps the original intent was for an identifying registered name and number that is verified. A logistical nightmare, the better way is with everyone with false identites.
Also for people insisting on using their true auction identites, what's to keep people from posting with other people's auction IDs if those assumed IDs were never registered om AW and other message boards by the rightful owners?
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cuff
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posted on September 25, 2001 06:24:19 AM new
In my opinion there are two types of people who hide behind aliases here, or at other sites...
Those who have been burned and wish to avoid it again in the future, and those who are intent on disruptive, sociopathic activities.
Being forced to hide to avoid retaliation is a form of cyber terrorism that should not be tolerated.
A MESSAGE TO MY PERSONAL TERRORIST:
Bring it on... Each new incident brings us closer to resolving "the problem". I take great pleasure in contacting the sites you use in an effort to obtain your ip address. It's just a matter of time before I get a willing party to fork it over, then we'll play hardball.
CuFF
msCuFF@BidVille
[ edited by cuff on Sep 25, 2001 06:24 AM ]
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dimview
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posted on September 25, 2001 06:45:35 AM new
Those posting messages here and elsewhere have the choice: post with an anonymous ID to keep their messages and auctionsite buying/selling activities private or post with an ID that links their messages and auctionsite buying/selling activities.
Some choose for former, some the latter, but it is *their* choice.
[ edited by dimview on Sep 25, 2001 07:54 AM ]
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cuff
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posted on September 25, 2001 01:08:17 PM new
Ahhhhhhh. Here we go. I opened my email to 16 porn spams in a row and they're still coming folks. I've been signed up everywhere on the net. What an amazing display of psychosis in response to my previous post. Now, if just one of them recorded your ip we can move along to more adult matters.
How much time do you spend daily attempting to be a menace? Are you just a nasty person, or has something happened in your life that triggered your mental instability?
You should seek help.
CuFF
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dimview
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posted on September 25, 2001 01:40:27 PM new
AuctionWatch's user agreement provides for several remedies. The release of userID information and the termination of accounts:
8.3. Deleted Messages. ... We may reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising out of or related to any message posted by you.
8.5. Breach. You will breach this Agreement if you:
a) Harassment. Harass, threaten, or intimidate another member, or AuctionWatch Moderators or staff. During debate or disagreement, always address the issue at hand, not the individual. Threats will result in the removal of the post and immediate and permanent suspension of the member who issued the threat. AuctionWatch may forward any pertinent information to authorities or the recipient of the threat. The ISP of the user who issued the threat may be notified by AuctionWatch as to their online activities.
I expect you to refrain from making similar accusations against me in the future.
fixed UBB.
[ edited by dimview on Sep 25, 2001 01:41 PM ]
[ edited by dimview on Sep 25, 2001 01:43 PM ]
[ edited by dimview on Sep 25, 2001 02:02 PM ]
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bidsbids
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posted on September 25, 2001 01:47:51 PM new
Do you have to post your personal problems on this other online auctions forum? Isn't this against the Community Guidlines?
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cuff
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posted on September 25, 2001 02:00:47 PM new
I did not say it was you dim.. did I? Why in the world would you assume that? It is quite obvious that someone here is doing this, and so I choose to discuss it here. Of course one cannot expect a coward to step forward.
My post concerns the effects of making known ones auctions identity in this forum. Is that not on topic bidsbids statsstats?
CuFF
Besides... who said anything about BV? This is about my personal email being used by someone other than myself. Watch your step it's getting slippery in here.
[ edited by cuff on Sep 25, 2001 02:05 PM ]
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joice
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posted on September 25, 2001 02:16:22 PM new
cuff,
Making blind accusations is just not appropriate to these forums and you will be suspended if you continue in this manner.
If you believe you have a stalker, please contact the authorities in your state and keep it off the boards.
Joice
[email protected]
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bidsbids
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posted on September 25, 2001 02:30:26 PM new
Thank you Joice. No one likes to be accused.
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cuff
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posted on September 25, 2001 02:38:49 PM new
I have made no accusations to anyone, but merely pointed out that the person doing this is either following or posting to this thread. How is that blindly accusing dim or bidsbids? If they jump to the defensive how is that my doing?
This thread is about using real identities. In my mind that includes what happens when you do. Todays activities are a perfect example.
I was speaking directly to the perpetrator not knowing who that person is, but knowing they are here. I do not know where that violates the community guidelines. Alas,
we all know what will happen if I persist, so I will exit this thread.
Besides, I think it's more than clear what will happen if you dare to make your auctions identity known at AW. And it's ironic because most normal people signing up here would think the opposite. They think that AW might be a good tool to become known. It's truly a shame that due to the activities of one individual it is unwise to post using your real auctions identity.
Good Evening.
CuFF
msCuFF@BidVille
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