posted on August 26, 2001 03:53:58 PM newLinda...Where did you read or hear that? I didn't....
Of course, you did not We stand on different sides of the fence..
I need my very near-sighted glasses to read and accept that kind of articles...
And yes, it takes MORE than the abortion issue to create facts: alcohol use, cigarettes, hereditary pre-disposition...
Had the article included all of the above, it would have made for far more intelligent and educated reading, instead of coming out as yet another scare technique to "keep women in check"...
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[ edited by shoshanah on Aug 26, 2001 03:56 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2001 04:04:19 PM new
Shosh - So, you don't want to share where you read that. Okay....but as a woman I would think you'd want all women who have had breast cancer, or who might get it in the future, to know all the potential issues that may cause it.
You are wrong about me. I am pro choice and I worked in an abortion clinic for a major HMO for close to four years. So see how misperceptions can happen?
I do, however, feel abortion was originally intended for those who had medical problems where the mother's physical health or live was in jeopardy, or also for first trimester abortions only. I left the clinic believing it's used mostly for birth-control and my view is that I'm totally against abortion after the first trimester.
In all my posts in this thread I have been trying get away from it *only* being about whether or not one sits on this side or that side of the fence on abortion. It's not about that....it's about breast cancer and it's causes. As I said before there are those who are also pro choice who feel this possibility needs to be studied and not just set aside.
posted on August 26, 2001 07:39:41 PM newkrs I take great offense at what you have called me in this thread. You and your "holier then thou comments are very sad.
"Your claim of ignorance of this matter is disingenuous considering your posting history, if not an out an out lie."
My posting history, huh. Since when have I even mentioned breast cancer?
"You say that you are not intending to open a can of worms here and yet with full knowledge that is exactly what you intend to do by generating fear if you can in women which may of itself be harmful to their health and you would not only do them such harm but would attempt to influence their decisions concerning a constitutionally verified right during what is a very emotionally disturbing time for them."
It wasn't ment to be a can of worms, oh great and knowledgable fool. I had NEVER heard of this. I do not roam around the cancer sites, this was linked to me in an email, and I thought it would bring good discussion. Better then your garbage political rantings of late.
My stance on abortion is, and has always been perfectly clear.
"It is your intent to do harm to further your agenda and no denial by you will mask that all too clear fact."
I don't deny squat, pal. No matter what YOU or any of your cronies may think, this was new to me, as it may be to others.
Remember:
ABORTION IS THE ONLY MEDICAL PROCEEDURE WHERE THERE IS AT LEAST A 50% DEATH RATE!
Now you know where I stand.
Rick
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:15:48 PM new
This is the first time I've heard of the theory that Abortion causes breast cancer. I am very sceptical and will continue to be until I hear the scientific evidence behind it.
I hear of new ones all of the time. Most of them are proven to be bogus theories, for instance:
>Wearing underwire or tight bras causes breast cancer.
>Underarm deodorant causes breast cancer.
Rick,
>>"ABORTION IS THE ONLY MEDICAL PROCEEDURE WHERE THERE IS AT LEAST A 50% DEATH RATE!"<<
Where did you find this statistic? I would like to see it for myself.. I don't agree with abortion either but a 50+% death rate sounds like a bit of a stretch.
[ edited by outoftheblue on Aug 26, 2001 08:16 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2001 08:30:11 PM newoutoftheblue;
If you believe that life begins at conception (ask a pregnant woman what she is carrying, and I will guess that 90% of the time she will say a baby), and an abortion is preformed, then the child dies. Thus, 1 out of every 2 people who go in for the proceedure die. 50% mortality rate!
Rick
In the begining, God created the heavens and the earth.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:32:41 PM new
[b[Linda[/b]but as a woman I would think you'd want all women who have had breast cancer, or who might get it in the future, to know all the potential issues that may cause it.....
Absolutely! That is why I still say:
[i]And yes, it takes MORE than the abortion issue to create facts: alcohol use, cigarettes, hereditary pre-disposition...
Had the article included all of the above, it would have made for far more intelligent and educated reading, instead of coming out as yet another scare technique to "keep women in check"...[/i]
I only suggest that study groups give women ALL of the study results, not just a small portion!
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[ edited by shoshanah on Aug 26, 2001 08:36 PM ]
posted on August 26, 2001 08:40:13 PM new
This is a link for abortion stats through 1996. The only relivance would be if there is a link between abortion and breast cancer (though I agree shosh about heridity and such), then imagine the impact of these numbers.
posted on August 26, 2001 08:42:17 PM new
shoshanah
IMO, most studies are skewed to fit someones belief system or political agenda. You need very accute BS meter to sort everything out. Especially when it comes to health concerns...
[ edited by outoftheblue on Aug 26, 2001 08:57 PM ]
posted on August 27, 2001 06:37:38 AM new
Oh now let's try to limit our distortions of information, shall we?
The information provided in that link did not all come from the source as you claim, in fact only these bits of that information did:
“The United States has one of the highest abortion rates among
developed countries.” (Facts in Brief, Alan Guttmacher Institute,
1995, New York, NY).
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of
the nation’s leading abortion provider, Planned Parenthood:
· At current rates, an estimated 43 percent of American women
will have at least one abortion by the age of 45;
· Unmarried women are six times more likely than married women
to abort their unborn child;
· The highest abortion rate is among 18- to 19-year-old women -
56 per 1,000 women;
· About 15,000 abortions each year are attributed to rape and
incest - representing 1% of all abortions. (Guttmacher statistics
from “Facts in Brief,” 1995)
posted on August 27, 2001 10:20:43 AM new
hcross had a good point about how the body prepares for pregnancy and when an abortion or miscarriage occurs, it disrupts the body's balance. I've previously heard of hormone levels -- particularly estrogen -- being connected to breast cancer, so I don't think an abortion/breast cancer link is outside the realm of possibility.
I've also heard (and sorry, I don't have a source, just my memory) that women who never bear children tend to have a higher incidence of certain cancers, but that doesn't mean I'm going to have a child as a preventive measure.
