posted on May 21, 2002 12:31:48 PM new
Appparently chafing under the requirements of law which restrict his use of presidential power, Bush is making a strong move toward grabbing more for himself. It sounds like it boils down to the fact that he doesn't like having to answer to the people and thinks that his will should be supercede all other factors.
Of course it'll be made to seem quite reasonable that he take more power when he claims that he's only trying to restore the presidency to it's rightful place, and they'll gloss over the fact that the original design of the U.S. Constitution made a structure that preserved a balance of power and is the instrument of his chagrin. That this attempt amounts to a move to override that formative document and it's cumulative adjusted effect will not be mentioned by Bush or by his assorted mouths.
There's something foreboding in this, eh? If you go back a little bit, say 70 years, these are the same sorts of goals held by another national leader. That guy prevailed one small step at a time.
posted on May 21, 2002 12:52:59 PM new
>>he doesn't like having to answer to the people and thinks that his will should be supercede all other factors<<
Genes, Daddy & other Rich Republicans = Super Sleazebowl.
posted on May 21, 2002 01:30:32 PM new
And like the time about which you intimated the people feel insecure and so he is having success. Where will be safe if you are viewed as a threat to the Fa...I mean Homeland? Canada? Will they stand firm against extraditions if he demands them?
posted on May 21, 2002 01:56:48 PM new
The kind of power that George Bush is looking for is Totalitarianism. Two simple examples so far is the financial and media system that put George Bush into the White House against majority vote. Another example is the War in Afganistan in which the grand prize is the total control by U.S. multinational oil corporations over the world's greatest oil and gas deposits.
Conpare the totalitarian power that Bush is seeking over the traditional power that a president such as Lyndon Johnson had as president.
posted on May 22, 2002 01:27:39 PM new
How many people can say where this comes from?........“But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future Security.”
posted on May 22, 2002 02:56:25 PM new
(Stockticker should stay in lurk, but tell her her boyfriend the cheeseman might enjoy a nice time in Manhattan soon. He may see some real action for himself. Of course he'll die from it but it would give him something else to do than he's been up to. Irene should come along!)
posted on May 22, 2002 03:39:01 PM new
Aw, Hellen, this is probably one of the most inbred boards I've ever seen. You need to get out more that's all. There are PLO sympathizers out there, some of whom are actually Jewish. Try a different board. Just don't forget me.
posted on May 22, 2002 05:39:50 PM new
This is what I've been yelling about also. Those of you who read my thoughts here in the RT last year know that I kept saying that the Republican Party would find a way to cut voters off from the Presidential Election process entirely. I stated that the Republican Party, after the fast-one that they pulled last time, would hardly stop to dare trying something new this next time in order to prevent a majority vote from ousting bush and his cronies out of political power. That bush is taking the steps to make himself a Dictator should be clear to even the DIMMIST Republican Voter by now! ONLY HIDEOUSLY STUPID PEOPLE STILL SUPPORT BUSH!!
I remember that comment and you were so right! Can you believe what these scoundrels are doing. In baby steps, they are turning this country into a Totalitarian regime with idiot boy as the dictator.
We are just a few steps away from Martial Law and that will end freedom as we have known it.
posted on May 22, 2002 06:13:14 PM new
Having established that we may be heading for Martial law and Totaliarism, what do we do? Send checks to jounalist indies? What?
posted on May 22, 2002 06:59:43 PM new"Having established that we may be heading for Martial law and Totaliarism, what do we do? Send checks to jounalist indies? What?"
That IS the question before us - We, the People, that is.
The U.S. Constitution is written so that those who follow it can change the hands of power by the Will of the People. If the People don't like one jackass, they can vote in another. You know this already.
What most Americans do not realize is that the U.S. Constitution is providing a NON-VIOLENT way of changing the reigns of power. I mean, we know that from experience; but what most Americans have not experienced is that without this vital process, it takes a VIOLENT OVERTHROW to get rid of tyrants. Americans have not experienced this because, until last election cycle, there never was any need for a coup' de' tah' here in America.
Voters in the past have tried just about everything to get a government that works for us. We've tried having a Democratic Congress with a Republican presidency and we've tried a Republican Congress with a Democratic presidency. We've tried a Democratic Congress AND presidency and now we are trying out a Republican Congress and presidency. It has taken 30 years of election cycles to see what works and what doesn't.
America now knows how each of these combinations work for us.
The Republicans and the right-wing are out! A hard shift to the Left is in progress in America -- it took Bush to show us the way. Democrat politicians have only their history to hang their hopes on regaining power, since they have forgotten their way. Time for a third choice, right?
Wrong.
We've tried a Thrid option three times in the last decade. The first time almost worked, the second time didn't do much, and the last time the Republican party sent Buchannon in as a Torpedo on the Reform Party and destroyed it. The Green Party is too radical for most Americans. So why did they fail? Because the two parties underestimated the Third Option the first time and almost lost out (Bush, Sr. lost out totally). The second time, the two parties totally ignored the Thrid party, thus giving no one a real choice. The last time, with scattered praty remains, and a total ignoring of splinter factions who should have been heard, we got no choice whatsoever when the right-wing of the Supreme Court sided AGAINST THE U.S. CONSTITUTION in favor of Bush, Jr.
What option do we have left? We can't vote a mix of the two parties to our liking, because nothing gets done. Voting fully for one entrenched political party has swung us too far to the Left or to the Right. Finally, our votes were neutralized by an CONSTITUTIONALLY ILLEGAL DECISION that Appointed our present jackass!
Well, I'm open to hearing about any non-violent suggestions on how were're going to fix this mess in the next election. That is, >> IF << there is a next election!
posted on May 22, 2002 07:02:44 PM new
“But when a long Train of Abuses and
Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design to reduce them under absolute
Despotism, it is their Right, it is their Duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for
their future Security.”
Come on somebody tell me how this is obviously a quote from a lunatic fringe wacko.
In 2002, with the U.S. Supreme Court nothing more than a useful machination of the Bush regime, it seems likely that if Americans become subjected to a Bush declaration of martial law, any challenge to it would fail miserably. With that thought in mind, its useful to note that the Bush crowd has had plenty of experience with martial law and states-of-emergency. In 1992, Bush the Elder issued Executive Order 12804 in response to the Los Angeles riots. Hence, the US Army 7th Infantry Division and detachments of US Marines were deployed to mop up Los Angeles. That order was only issued after the city's poor had destroyed their neighborhoods. As an aside, that event would expose the CIA's penchant for selling drugs to inner city youth to raise funds for U.S. government covert operations in Central and South America. Bush the Elder was the overseer of much of this activity when he lorded over the Iran-contra scandal while Vice President under Ronald Reagan. One of Bush's underlings at the time, Oliver North, came up with a secret plan, along with the fascist-oriented Federal Emergency Management Agency (the key-masters for the doors to the bunkers), to declare martial law in the event of a "national crisis," including "violent and widespread internal dissent or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad." Florida's provincial ruler Jeb Bush signed Executive Order 01-262 on September 11, 2001 declaring a State of Emergency in Florida. That was prior to similar declarations in New York and Virginia where the action was. "Jebbie" (that's what Bill Clinton calls him) also has the power to suspend elections for 30 days in a county under a State of Emergency.
