Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2002 07:28:33 PM new
Nycyn
Check with me in the morning.
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snowyegret
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posted on June 11, 2002 08:03:34 PM new
I'll be wearing my oh so subversive t shirt from Chile. It says
Democracia en el pais y en la casa
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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nycyn
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posted on June 11, 2002 08:39:30 PM new
>>Check with me in the morning.<<
Helen,
OK. That is if I don't die of an alcohol overdose in my sleep.
Jesus Christ! To think I came here to be-aytch about moronic sellers and buyers!
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2002 08:48:42 PM new
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Helenjw
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posted on June 11, 2002 09:24:09 PM new
DETAINING AMERICANS...Washington Post Critical of the Denial of Rights of a US Citizen
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gravid
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posted on June 11, 2002 09:55:01 PM new
Snowyegret - Qué una tee shirt buena. ¿Y tiene usted la democracia en su casa? ¿O si no cómo va la revolución mis muy amable amiga?
[ edited by gravid on Jun 11, 2002 10:04 PM ]
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Borillar
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posted on June 11, 2002 10:21:05 PM new
"Good what one tee shirt. And have you it democracy in your house? Or if how very amiable friend does not go the revolution my? "
-From Babel Fish Translator-
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gravid
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posted on June 11, 2002 10:38:39 PM new
Democracia en el pais y en la casa
Democracy in the nation and in the home.
Very strong and simple. I like it.
-translation by babelbrain -
more literally in the country and in the house - I like the flavor of the first better
[ edited by gravid on Jun 11, 2002 10:43 PM ]
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Borillar
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posted on June 11, 2002 10:44:23 PM new
'Enemy combatants' may be held till war ends
"Whether Padilla's detention will foretell a future where many Americans are detained indefinitely because of U.S. knowledge of terrorist plans remains to be seen." -Victoria Toensing, ex-Justice official-
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DeSquirrel
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posted on June 11, 2002 11:36:39 PM new
They interviewed Toensing last night. She's in total agreement with the handling of this guy.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:01:07 AM new
Mornin' - Well it looks like it might not be 'just' this guy.
WASHINGTON, June 11 (UPI) -- As many as a half-dozen men "of U.S. origin" have been captured in the tribal areas of Pakistan near Afghanistan and handed over to U.S. authorities in an ongoing operation to root out al Qaida terrorists and Taliban extremists, Pakistani sources told United Press International Tuesday.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=11062002-055122-5978r 
Edited to add: http://www.upi.com/index.cfm Then scroll down under TOP STORIES
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 12, 2002 05:28 AM ]
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:13:07 AM new
"She's in total agreement with the handling of this guy"
Oh gosh, really? As an ex justice official she would be, now wouldn't she?
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 05:42:36 AM new
"The FBI director, Robert Mueller, and Paul Wolfowitz, the
Deputy Secretary of Defence, did note on Monday that any
plot was in the very early planning stages, and a specific
target may not even have been selected. But those cautions
were largely drowned out by Mr Ashcroft's assertion – all
the more dramatic in that he chose to make it in Moscow
during a trip to Russia on unrelated matters – that the
authorities had "disrupted an unfolding terrorist plot to attack
the US by exploding a radioactive dirty bomb."
For the Bush administration, the more alarmed the public the
better as it tries to push through Congress a measure to set
up a new Department of Homeland Security and seeks to
convince Americans, as the holiday season begins, that the
war on terror continues, and that al-Qa'ida remains a potent
threat.
The arrest, moreover, deflects attention from the deficiencies
of the security services – especially the FBI – before 11
September, which are now under a Congressional spotlight.
It gives some substance too to the torrent of warnings from
the Defence Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, down, that it was
inevitable that terrorists would sooner or later obtain
weapons of mass destruction and use them.
A dirty bomb, as expert after expert points out, is anything
but a WMD, and might initially cause no more than a few
dozen casualties. But the longer-term decontamination
problem, and alarm at the very mention of the word
radioactive, more than compensates.
Far from coincidentally, the unnamed "senior officials" who
have furnished the background to the arrest have lavishly
praised the co-operation between the CIA and the FBI –
whose previously frosty relations long bedevilled US
intelligence gathering. In other words, according to the White
House script, the problems of the past are over."
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snowyegret
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:52:59 AM new
Gravid, yes, we do enjoy democracy in this casa. Best way to live together, in both our opinions. That t shirt has gotten some fairly excited reactions in the Caribbean and some South American countries.
Besides, my other subversive shirt is
Up Against The Wall, M*F*s
and I don't want to give the Security boys any ideas.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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gravid
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:03:52 AM new
I am planning on having some t-shirts made up to sell soon. You gave me some ideas. I get tired of all the good shirts being in little boys sizes so I am only going to do 4x to 8x.
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snowyegret
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:22:12 AM new
XXX and up sell well. When I do a T shirt order, I always sell out of Double X and higher. I do charge more for XXX and higher, because the blanks cost more.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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Helenjw
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posted on June 12, 2002 09:52:20 AM new
LOL! If you need any good slogans, let me know.
Looks like Bush continues to lose credibility in Europe. Security officials in Brittain and Europe are highly sceptical of the Bush administration calims that Jose Padilla is a dirty bomb planner.
They point out that no evidence has been produced to show that he had access to radioactive material needed to build the bomb or even conspired to launch the attack.
And in Washington also, there is a growing suspicion that the arrest was used by the Bush administration for political reasons.
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Helenjw
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posted on June 12, 2002 10:00:45 AM new
The latest tale...LOL
US WANTS TO QUESTION SUSPECT
WASHINGTON (AP) - The government is more interested in questioning a U.S. citizen accused of plotting to detonate a radioactive weapon than in pursuing charges against him, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld says.
"We're not interested in trying him at the moment," said Rumsfeld, traveling in Qatar. "We're not interested in punishing him at the moment. We're interested in finding out what in the world he knows."
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 10:28:34 AM new
That makes sense. Did they ask him? Or do they want to torture him first so they'll be more likely to believe him.
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snowyegret
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posted on June 12, 2002 11:00:10 AM new
At the moment.
So a US citizen loses his Constitutional rights for questioning? That's an outrage.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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krs
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posted on June 12, 2002 11:41:56 AM new
And now the administration is saying that Ashcroft "overstated" the danger that this guy poses.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002/06/11/bush-others.htm#more
Did you know that Ashcroft is reported to periodically have spells during which he rolls around on the floor of his office speaking giberish called 'tongues"?
I wonder how he keeps his suits pressed.
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antiquary
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posted on June 12, 2002 12:02:59 PM new
speaking giberish
The New World Order = A charismatic police state
I think speaking giberish was a requirement for a cabinet appointment.
[ edited by antiquary on Jun 12, 2002 12:06 PM ]
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Helenjw
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posted on June 12, 2002 12:17:20 PM new
He wears polyester suits.
typo
[ edited by Helenjw on Jun 12, 2002 12:24 PM ]
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nycyn
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posted on June 12, 2002 01:48:42 PM new
>>We're not interested in trying him at the moment," said Rumsfeld, traveling in Qatar. "We're not interested in punishing him at the moment. We're interested in finding out what in the world he knows."<<
Because they don't have a case for conviction? Tricky situation. Maybe a dose of truth serum and a bus ticket home?
Meanwhile the courts want to appoint a "master" to look into the allegations that the attorney to the Blind Sheik was aiding and albeting terrorists. What's a master?
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rawbunzel
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posted on June 12, 2002 01:53:58 PM new
"Did you know that Ashcroft is reported to periodically have spells during which he rolls around on the floor of his office speaking giberish called 'tongues"? "
PLEASE tell me that is from the onion and it isn't true.
Snowy, do you sell T-shirts like the one you'll be wearing when we all get to meet?
I'd like one.
Edited
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Borillar
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:29:56 PM new
That has to be an *ONION* report! Do you know what would happen if it were true and the general public found out about it? There'd be riots in the streets!
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nycyn
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:33:16 PM new
>>That has to be an *ONION* report! Do you know what would happen if it were true and the general public found out about it? There'd be riots in the streets!<<
To whom is this addressed?
Sorry, I was a victim of POST DELAY.COM.
[ edited by nycyn on Jun 12, 2002 07:39 PM ]
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snowyegret
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posted on June 12, 2002 07:55:23 PM new
Rawbunzel, what would you like on it?
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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nycyn
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:07:14 PM new
>>Up Against The Wall, M*F*s<<
Wasn't that a David Peel tune? He still shows up and plays when "squatters" are dragged out of buildings they renovated and occupied 10 years.
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snowyegret
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posted on June 12, 2002 08:12:38 PM new
He gets up to Woodstock every now and then too. But there was this anarchist group way back when....
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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