posted on November 10, 2002 11:44:52 AM new
>I find the statement that republicans want to take away guns since it is the democrats that have constantly preached gun control and the not republicans.
Thank you for answering my question. Now I'll explain my rerason for misunderstanding your chargrin. It turns out that those things that the Republicans shouted against the Clinton Administration concerning weapons and ammo, since Bush has been in office, they have gone ahead and pushed the legislation through - quietly. Not so quietly that the NRA hasn't been yelling at them. Where the Democrats left off, the Republicans have taken over with renewed vigour. This is why you just can't go around swallowing their line of bull.
posted on November 10, 2002 11:53:32 AM new
Actually, thchaser200, I never insult another poster about grammar or spelling. But, I am surprised that the President of the United States of America makes errors of such magnitude that long lists of "Bushisms" are posted on the internet.
So far, we don't have an opinion of the majority of eligible voters since only 39% voted.
posted on November 10, 2002 12:07:42 PM new
thchaser200
...You may have misunderstood my statement below. It was a compliment to the poster. He had spelled the word right while the president had spelled the word wrong. (misunderestimate, said by Bush, is not in the English language)
I'm happy to see that you spell better than our president. He says, "misunderestimate". LOL!
It was just a silly observation...nothing to get excited about.
Bush fried 120 people while Gov. here in Texas.Was at least one innocent in that number? Didnt matter,We could keep Henry Lee Lucas,What a wonderful trade off.
posted on November 10, 2002 12:24:46 PM new
While Bush was Gov.,We didnt see him! The only time he made any appearances,was at election. Out of sight,Out of mind. Always with the education, and reading card, to play.
We will not feed the children of Texas,But by God they will be educated!
And please don't refer Bush as a Texan,Thats down right insulting.He was born in Mass.And spent a little time in Texas,We have the oil,We ended up with Bush.
posted on November 10, 2002 01:12:10 PM new
This is an excellent example of the degree to which the Democrats continue to underestimate the President.
This "idiot" President has responded to the Sept. 11 attacks in a forceful way that Al Gore couldn't have even conceived.
(There was probley a million or more people wondering where the hell he was for 5 hours!)
This "idiot" President has managed to keep the economy from the devastation that one would normally expect after losing the world's center of international finance (WTC) and the huge losses incurred by the insurance companies and other businesses as a direct result of that attack.
(The stock exchange made the decisions to halt tradeing for a week.The insurance Co.s were the ones who had the limits placed.)
This "idiot" President has maintained a 65% approval rating among the American people, the majority of whom describe themselves as Democrats.
(Fear of war will do that)
This "idiot" President's party has taken control of BOTH houses of Congress in an off-year election, a feat that is not only unusual, it is unprecendented in American history.
(Go against and No soup for You!)
This "idiot" President put his own historic high approval rating on the line by campaigning vigorously for Republican candidates (including the unfairly maligned Jeb Bush) in the final weeks of the campaign. As expected, it worked out splendidly.
(Of course,just as planned.Who says the election process can't be defrauded?)
This "idiot" President holds an MBA from an Ivy League University, the first to do so.
(After hearing him speak,And if it is true about his dyslexia,He had help,Lots of it!)
This "idiot" President was elected Governor of the nation's second largest state not once, but twice. And this after successfully beating a bout with alcoholism.
(Big money rules in Texas,And I have yet, to meet a nice ex-alcoholic.)
This "idiot" President was elected over Al Gore, who was Vice-President for 8 years.
(Thats still being debated)
This "idiot" President will be elected to a second term as well. Why? Two reasons: 1) He is a great leader who was intelligent enough to surround himself with the most qualified cabinet members and advisors that he could find. 2) Those on the other side of the political aisle continue to underestimate his intelligence and leadership abilities. Please, by all means, don't stop!
(Theres no choices,of course he will be re-elected. Intelligence and leadership,Wait a minute,dont get too carried away,We are talking about Bush Jr.)
You said don't stop: Bush and Chenny and their buddys hid in a bunker,How is that heroism? Rudy was on the streets as soon as those buildings fell. The message to the public from the White House was "Go shopping!"And we were suppose to be under attack.
Yep! I feel safe.!!!
posted on November 11, 2002 10:12:52 AM new
junkymomma:
Yep! I feel safe.!!!
And well you should. After we don't have to worry about having Al Gore as Commander in Chief. It was heartwarming to see that this board hasn't changed. Liberals still respond to facts with distortions and sarcasm. The 2004 race is already well in hand for the Prez. Liberals are apparently intent on making it easy for him...
posted on November 11, 2002 10:31:03 AM new
Mr.monkeybuisness,(oops,I mis-spelled your name too.) Please point out what you consider to be distortions.
You seem to be the one that has a problem with the truth.
You cant repaint history,many people see your fables for what they are.
You classified me a Liberal,I could have answered,useing Gore and nameing his short comings.You are the game player,You forgot to tell us your rules.
Besides,I thought I was answering a poll,does this mean I didnt win anything?
posted on November 11, 2002 10:41:52 AM new
junkymomma:
To see the distortions in your post, simply read it again and pay special attention to your remarks enclosed in parentheses. And yes, you did win as did ALL Americans on election day.
As far as the truth is concerned, what part of my post is untruthful? If you can find one, I would suggest that you call a liberal talk radio program to discuss it among your peers. No wait... There are no liberal talk radio shows (excluding 99% of NPR of course). Why are there no national liberal talk radio shows? Because liberal points of view disintegrate during serious debate between liberals and conservatives. The debate usually goes something like this:
1 - Liberal makes a remark that is baseless in fact or simply a half-truth.
2 - Conservative points out the flaws, errors, and lies in the liberal remark.
3 - Liberal gets angry and resorts to yelling and name-calling.
4 - Conservatives chuckle after seeing that the point was won.
The public is hungry for fairness and veracity in their news and commentary. Hence, talk radio is overwhelmingly conservative. And Fox News Channel is number one among all cable news outlets even though it is carried on fewer cable systems than CNN and MSNBC.
[ edited by mrbusinessman on Nov 11, 2002 10:52 AM ]
posted on November 11, 2002 11:06:51 AM new
Mr.monkeybuisness,Its too soon for you to brag, on the out come of the elections,Or with Bush now in total control of Washington.
If you are in buisness for your self,and up there in the 300,000.00 and upward bracket,You will come out fine,I have no doubt.Do you donate a lot of money to the Republicans? That is the normal route for favors.
I also know Washington as the good old boy State.Look around at the different agencys,A lot of people with the same names,and always someone knows somebody and a friend of....This network has been on going many years.
Does an out sider, with no connections in Washington,make it in politics or the big Gov.gravy jobs? No,and that is not a party related question.
posted on November 11, 2002 11:12:04 AM new
Mr.monkeybuisness,again you talk of Liberals and what they do.I ask you, to point out to me,where I lied,about my remarks on Bush?
No attack,a simple request.
posted on November 11, 2002 11:20:20 AM new
According to mrbusinessman's criteria, he would have to be a closet liberal himself; either that or he's being intentionally satirical. Either way the rhetoric is amusing.
posted on November 11, 2002 11:32:10 AM newDoes an out sider, with no connections in Washington,make it in politics or the big Gov.gravy jobs?
Yes, quite often in fact.
Do you donate a lot of money to the Republicans?
Yes, I do in fact donate a considerable amount of money to like-minded Republican candidates. And no, I don't ask for or receive any favors in return. I work very hard for my money as do the roughly four hundred people who work for my company, many of whom are Democrats.
Again, I refer you back to your own posts in response to your inquiry concerning the lack of veracity in those posts. You have several to choose from so it should be very easy for you. But I'll get you started with the following example:
Of course,just as planned.Who says the election process can't be defrauded?)
The only fraud perpetrated in this election was the one where Lautenberg was allowed (illegally) to replace a doomed Democratic candidate for the US Senate from New Jersey. State election law was very clear on this point yet the state Supreme Court decided to re-write the law instead if upholding it.
[ edited by mrbusinessman on Nov 11, 2002 11:37 AM ]
You said they do,all the time.Can You give me a list of names,So that I can check this out? Or do I simply go on your say so?
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Do you donate a lot of money to the Republicans?
Yes, I do in fact donate a considerable amount of money to like-minded Republican candidates.
Its the like mind part that is scary,I dont want everyone to agree to what I think,There is nothing to be learned and everyone is hearded in a pen.
posted on November 11, 2002 01:02:43 PM new2 examples below,Dems and Rep
2 examples from the 2000 election, which has no bearing on the 2002 elections.
Can You give me a list of names,So that I can check this out? Or do I simply go on your say so?
History and contemporary America are full of examples. You can indeed check it out by doing a little research or taking a few business classes.
You get nothing from your donations? Really?
Well, I must admit that you have me on this one. What I get for my donations is the opportunity to run a very profitable business (providing hundreds of jobs in the process) and live in a country where justice is served (in Virginia, we give the guilty a fair trial before we fry them). Look out Mohammed and Malvo...
[ edited by mrbusinessman on Nov 11, 2002 01:28 PM ]
posted on November 11, 2002 01:31:37 PM new
2 examples below,Dems and Rep
2 examples from the 2000 election, which has no bearing on the 2002 elections.
So you are saying,The 2000 race did have fraud,but none of them would dare to use it again in the smaller 2002 races?
Can You give me a list of names,So that I can check this out? Or do I simply go on your say so?
History and contemporary America are full of examples. You can indeed check it out by doing a little research or taking a few business classes.
No thanks,I'll go by what I saw and heard from people in the know.
You get nothing from your donations? Really?
Well, I must admit that you have me on this one. What I get for my donations is the opportunity to run a very profitable business (providing hundreds of jobs in the process)
Again,I am to take your word for it.Do I believe that such a busy buisnessman with a large Co.and 500 employees,would take time to come in the AW chat room,And insult others who dont believe the same as he? No,that is the actions of a silly person,A want to be.I have to see,before I believe,and go with a gut feeling.
and live in a country where justice is served (in Virginia, we give the guilty a fair trial before we fry them).
How do you know?
posted on November 11, 2002 01:41:52 PM newSo you are saying,The 2000 race did have fraud,but none of them would dare to use it again in the smaller 2002 races.
No. I didn't say that at all. The attempted fraud in 2000 was on the Democrats' part (most notably Al Gore). Fortunately, the Supreme Court stepped in and prevented it.
No thanks,I'll go by what I saw and heard from people in the know.
Fair enough.
Again,I am to take your word for it.Do I believe that such a busy buisnessman with a large Co.and 500 employees,would take time to come in the AW chat room,And insult others who dont believe the same as he? No,that is the actions of a silly person,A want to be.I have to see,before I believe,and go with a gut feeling.
You're certainly entitled to believe whatever you wish. This is America after all (thank God for conservatives who have preserved that right for you). For the record, it's 400 employees, not 500. And yes, I am very busy. I used to use the Ebay Outlook when I first started my company since we used Ebay at that time. We have long since outgrown Ebay and I don't read that board anymore. But the Round Table is always good for a chuckle on the rare slow day. That is why my posts on here are relatively infrequent. But it's a great deal of fun to log on here every few weeks or so to catch up on the tabloid politics.
and live in a country where justice is served (in Virginia, we give the guilty a fair trial before we fry them). How do you know?
I don't know for sure (yet). But the evidence provided so far is a pretty good indication of their guilt. Of course the juries will make the final determination. Like I said, in Virginia we try them before we fry them.
[ edited by mrbusinessman on Nov 11, 2002 02:07 PM ]
posted on November 11, 2002 02:15:12 PM newNo,that is the actions of a silly person,A want to be.I have to see,before I believe,and go with a gut feeling.
Well, if he's not being intentionally absurd for a comedic effect (which I still believe is true), it could be stress from business failure and being wiped out in the market crashes. God knows, that's happening everywhere now and looks as though it will continue into the foreseeable future.
posted on November 11, 2002 03:48:28 PM new
thchaser200 - If you believe "Actually, thchaser200, I never insult another poster about grammar or spelling" I'm selling the Statue of Liberty..want to buy it? It's not true.
Mr. Businessman - "But the Round Table is always good for a chuckle..." or a good cry...depending on the day. Sometimes it's hard to believe what one reads here stated as facts rather than opinions.
posted on November 11, 2002 05:47:19 PM new
Unquestionably, Linda. At least here in the RT we often bring such news and facts that the media tries its collective best to avoid reporting and for the average person, much of it seems beyond credulous belief. But, nine times out of ten, it is substanciated.
posted on November 18, 2002 02:52:34 PM new
Heres a very small part of that gravey train,Names that sound familar.
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By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, March 12, 2002; Page A19
In the Bush administration, governing is a family matter.
Two weeks ago, the State Department announced that Elizabeth Cheney, the vice president's daughter, would become a deputy assistant secretary of state. Her husband, Philip Perry, last week left the Justice Department to become chief counsel for the Office of Management and Budget. There, Cheney's son-in-law will join OMB Director Mitchell E. Daniels Jr., whose sister, Deborah Daniels, is an assistant attorney general.
That's just the beginning. Among Deborah Daniels's colleagues at Justice is young Chuck James, whose mother, Kay Coles James, is the director of the Office of Personnel Management, and whose father, Charles Sr., is a top Labor Department official. Charles James Sr.'s boss, Labor Secretary Elaine L. Chao, knows about having family members in government: Her husband is Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), and her department's top lawyer, Labor Solicitor Eugene Scalia, is the son of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.
Everybody knows the Bush administration is famously loyal. One reason Bush aides are like family is because some of them are family. Ken Mehlman, the White House political director, regularly calls his younger brother Bruce, an assistant commerce secretary, to get his input. "He's a great adviser -- I trust him like a brother," quips Ken.
Deputy White House press secretary Scott McClellan recently found himself in front of the microphones introducing a member of the president's Council of Economic Advisers, Mark McClellan. Scott called Mark "my older, smaller brother," and Mark replied: "Thanks, my larger brother."
The Bush administration bloodlines begin at the top and flow through the rank and file. Secretary of State Colin L. Powell is the father of Michael Powell, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. The director of the Federal Trade Commission's office of policy planning, Ted Cruz, is married to a senior official in the U.S. Trade Representative's office, Heidi Cruz. "It's a little bit like having adjoining booths at the county fair," she says.
Also on the fairgrounds are FCC commissioner Kevin Martin, married to Cheney aide Cathie Martin, and Cheney aide Nina Rees, spouse of White House speechwriter Matthew Rees. The brother of National Economic Council staffer John Ackerly begins work later this year on the president's Council of Economic Advisers. OMB spokesman Chris Ullman served in the administration with his wife, Kris, a Justice Department official, until the couple's daughter was born 14 weeks ago. "She's never worked in the administration," he says of the infant.
Then there are the inter-branch families. Chief Justice William Rehnquist's daughter is at the Department of Health and Human Services. Bush is now pushing the Senate to confirm U.S. District Judge Charles W. Pickering as an appellate judge. He's the father of Rep. Charles W. "Chip" Pickering Jr., a Mississippi Republican. If successful, the Pickering duo would join father-son combinations Jim Bunning (a Republican senator from Kentucky) and David Bunning (confirmed last month as a federal judge) and Strom Thurmond (South Carolina Republican senator) and Strom Jr. (new U.S. attorney in South Carolina).
All of this makes for some blending of the governmental and the familial. At Sunday dinner, the three James officials compare notes from their various corners of the administration. "It's a bit of a dinner debate club," Chuck James says.
Some appointments have brought questions of nepotism. Federal law, passed after Robert F. Kennedy was made his brother's attorney general, requires that "a public official may not appoint, employ, promote [or] advance" a relative in an agency "in which he is serving or over which he exercises jurisdiction or control."
Administration officials say the appointees are qualified in their own right. When Attorney General John D. Ashcroft welcomed the 36-year-old Perry to the Justice Department last year, his statement didn't mention Perry's father-in-law, instead citing Perry's "wise counsel and advice." State Department spokesman Richard Boucher denied a report that the deputy assistant secretary position was created for Elizabeth Cheney and said she is "a very highly skilled individual."
Deborah Daniels said she avoids lobbying her brother, who has sway over her agency's budget. "I have my contacts at OMB which are at a different level, frankly, than my brother," she said. When brother and sister returned to Indiana to celebrate Thanksgiving together, OMB was haggling with agencies over budget requests. "There were some amusing jokes around here about what an interesting Thanksgiving we must have had," she said.
The brothers McClellan frequently find themselves in meetings together. They recently sent their proud mother a photo of the two of them briefing the president. Of course, the two are all business at work -- most of the time. "Ask Mark who is the best tennis player," Scott McClellan goads a reporter. Mark McClellan answers defiantly: "I can factually say for the record that he has not beaten me in more than a decade."
It's not true.