I certainly hope that after all the direct insults delivered by Linda above and in this thread that this thread does not turn into an obsequious fawn session for poor Linda.
posted on June 18, 2004 05:11:36 PM new
Again, Linda, I DID NOT SAY YOU WERE HATEFUL. I said "A HATEFUL THREAD". Reading comprehension is taught in elementary school. And yes, you started the trend by not commenting on the article, but by bringing in a totally irrelevelant article. Harry think you're hateful or a gay basher? I hardly think so. He doesn't know you and in all probability hasn't read anything else you've written. You have no affect on his life or his livelihood. He uses his energies on things a lot more productive. In fact, I doubt he's even reading this thread at all anymore.
You just reinforced what I believed all along and that I'll keep to myself.
Okay, I'll tell ya, Linda. It reinforced that no matter how nice a thread starts out, someone somewhere, somehow turns it into something totally irrelevant (does the name Clinton ring a bell?) and eventually vicious . Not at all pointing to you personally. But, hey, if that's what you want to think, think it.
Let me reiterate, this is a PUBLIC board. In fact, if you think there is anything at all private about the Internet, I suggest you stop posting altogether because there will be people you don't know about reading your words. They will stick little cookies in your computer and track you everywhere you go.
Cheryl
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posted on June 18, 2004 05:27:15 PM new
I certainly hope that after all the direct insults delivered by Linda above and in this thread that this thread does not turn into an obsequious fawn session for poor Linda.
What does that mean?
Thank you
(waiting for someone, probably a 'NEO CON', to get a 'vacation' from here......)
posted on June 18, 2004 05:29:34 PM new
Cheryl - You own words are above. You implied the thread turned hateful and that *I* had started it down that road. There's nothing unclear about that.
You could have suggested your friend read any of the multiple threads on the gay marriage issue that on on this site.....had your intent been so above-board and honest and had you ONLY wanted to let him make an evaluation of our comments.
This whole incident could have totally remained between the two of you - we'd have never known - never cared. But you just had to 'throw' it in our faces. That's underhanded and rude....and I didn't expect it coming from you.
You've already said it doesn't matter to you what I think or feel. Fair enough. This is over. But it wasn't going to be over until I let you know how what you did made me feel.
posted on June 18, 2004 05:41:54 PM new
Oh brother, am I really posting here again?
lol.
Cheryl, I think that article was great! I love crotchety old newspaper people, they are some of the most down to earth people around! My sister used to tell so many funny stories about their human foilables. (That article was a very honest assessement of himself and his long held views.) I wanted to say that since yesterday, but saw where this whole thing was going and "I held back..thinking should I or should I not get involved here?"
So that said, I should probably butt out of the personal stuff too, but Linda is always so out numbered here..enough to make anyone defensive, imo.
I think she may feel it was a setup like secretly being used for an opinion, and to validate a sure-fire opposing one at that. (Maybe if she knew ahead of time, she would have chose not to post???? prob not but I can see how she might feel used for it. Also dont think Cheryl actually intended it that way, but knowing hers would be the opposing view, I can see how she might feel that way about it.)
Okay, enuf said. I'm outta here. I really got auctions to do. Gotta make some money!!
Cheers until another day to all
posted on June 18, 2004 06:05:22 PM new
Guess what????
My significant other person ...Ta Da.... JUST READ ALL THE POSTS IN THIS THREAD !!!!!!
So you ALL better get defensive!!!!And paranoid.
Oh Oh Here comes my nieghbor and he's going to read ALL the posts in this thread so you ALL better get defensive and pretend you're really mad about something else.
posted on June 18, 2004 08:44:13 PM new
Hey - What's up, Doc? Oh my, I've been trying to example the communicative styles in these forums through absurdity. I would dearly love to see great debative sparring, rather than each thread devolving into nitpicking.
Question: If a man can marry another man, why not TWO other men? For the ladies, If a woman can marry another woman, why not TWO other women? What difference would it make?
I am Mormon, but must say one does not need to be a polygamist to have a wife/husband too many. And the homosexual community will have to abide by convention if they want THEIR state admitted to the (matrimonial) union. Hehehehehe.
And I did not think this thread hateful, but rather informative, you plugandsocket challenged will have to convince the IRS.
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posted on June 19, 2004 06:47:54 AM new
Linda just ignore my groupie kiara.. she posts tough when she has some backing...
But they deserve all the rights the rest of us get.
Here Bunni, what part of this didn't you understand to be directed at the one of the most heated topics in the US right now?
Op ed or not this was about Homosexuals being allowed to get married and that is the underlying sentiment of the piece... Because that is the only thing they and others are claiming is the "rights" they are not allowed to have... what other "rights" are they being denied?
Marriage is not a right and the sooner the states get those admendments pushed through the better, then let the court battles begin... the only winner here is going to be the lawyers... the backlash against homosexuals has started and with more than 60% of the nation against homosexual marriages, the first state to have their constitution overturned by the USSC, then the push will be on for a National Admendment, but I say to those reading, don't wait contact your Senators and Representatives to say YES to a National Admendment for Marriage...
I have written my letters and so have my friends... that speaks louder than writing here on these message boards.
posted on June 20, 2004 08:15:17 PM new
Twelve: Marriage is not a right
If marriage is not a right in your opinion then why do you feel lawmakers should have the power to decide who can and can not get married.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 20, 2004 08:16:19 PM new
Cheryl, how was the parade today?
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
The festival was a blast. You would not believe how political it was. The republican booth saw 12 people the whole day (they were quoted as saying they couldn't understand why no one wanted to hear what they had to say, LOL) and the estimated number of people there was 10,000 - straight and gay! I saw some flamboyancy, but not much at all. Ru Paul was there as well. They are saying this was the most politically active festival in its history. People are registering to vote in record numbers, it appears. And they aren't Republican!!!!!
All-in-all, I'd say the festival did a lot for the gay and straight communities. But then, Cleveland is coming around and becoming far more tolerant. It's not so much a displaced southerner town anymore - aka hillbillie (no insults intended)!
posted on June 21, 2004 06:23:02 AM new
Twelve: You answered your own question, marriage is a privledge...
Here is a definition of privilege:
A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste.
Such an advantage, immunity, or right held as a prerogative of status or rank, and exercised to the exclusion or detriment of others.
The principle of granting and maintaining a special right or immunity: a society based on privilege.
I guess it is a heterosexual privilege granted to only hetrosexuals. And you wonder why we consider this a form of discrimination.
If the TV networks did a remake of "All in the Family" you would make a great Archie Bunker. Unfortunately that will not be happening because that racist, homophobic mentality went out in the late 70's.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 21, 2004 06:27:24 AM new
Thanks Cheryl for sharing your experience. I am looking forward to our parade this Sunday. I am sure it will be just a political. The first twenty minutes of the past parades have always been for the politicans. It will be interesting to see wht percentage will be Republicans. Mayor Richard Daley has always shown his support for the gay community here in Chicago. If it was up to him he would allow gay marriages here in Chicago. I wish he would run for president.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
posted on June 21, 2004 06:34:21 AM new
You can call it whatever you want, homosexuals do not deserve the privledge of being married... How many times do I have to tell you that?
You made a CHOICE to live an alternative lifestyle, so accept that things will not be the same as those of us who live a normal lifestyle.
Life is not fair.... boo fkn hoo... To continue to align this in any shape or form with the civil rights movement, dimishes that part of our history greatly... I believe in civil rights for skin color is not a choice... lifestyles are.
You can move to MA anytime you want and take up residence there, you can move to Canada, you can move to Sweeden... you alot of choices, but for some reason homosexuals have decided to force their chosen lifestyle down our throats.
There are alot of us who will not accept this and will do everything within the law, unlike homosexuals, to stop this marriage abomination.
posted on June 21, 2004 09:15:36 AM new
Hold your breath 'til you turn blue.
Maybe they'll listen, then.
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posted on June 21, 2004 09:30:12 AM new
Twelve: You can call it whatever you want, homosexuals do not deserve the privledge of being married... How many times do I have to tell you that?
Your opinion means nothing to me. You think you and your people can make the laws simply because you are straight and your chosen lifestyle is better than anything else on the face of the Earth. Well me and my people have rights and will fight for this so called privilege. This country is not born on the tradition where one group of people has all the say and can set all the rules.
Re-defeat Bush
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June is Gay Pride Month
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All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.
Change is constant. The history of mankind is about change. One set of beliefs is pushed aside by a new set. The old order is swept away by the new. If people become attached to the old order, they see their best interest in defending it. They become the losers. They become the old order and in turn are vulnerable. People who belong to the new order are winners.
James A Belaco & Ralph C. Stayer
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