posted on July 16, 2004 09:56:37 PM new
LOL - Go right ahead. Your hatred of another person for no reason other than they hold a different life view than you do, is pretty darn sad, and I pity you.
It doesn't 'bother' me because I give your hateful words no power over me. I was just pointing out how redundant you have been for years and always so focused on me.
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posted on July 16, 2004 11:14:53 PM new
Isn't it absolutely hysterical to see all these left wing imbeciles excoriate Bush for doing things that were blessed by EVERY one of their gods (with the exception of Kucinich, who's a mental case of different caliber), who was presented with the EXACT same evidence.
Left wing politics is a laugh a minute. Where can you find such entertainment as people trying to explain why illegal aliens should be given the right to VOTE in California?
It will be interesting to see the televised debate. Anything Kerry can bring up to trash Bush shoots him in the butt.
you used poor intelligence info: "but Mr Kerry, you voted against all my funding requests for the intelligence services.
you invaded Iraq without enough cause: "Mr Kerry, you were shown the same intelligence and supported us all the way."
let the UN decide......: "Mr Kerry, I am charged with insuring the welfare of this country. We will never allow America's fate to be determined by foreign committees."
Polls indicate Americans are not thrilled with Kerry's Monday morning quarterbacking fits of genius. I just hope Bush hammers away at him instead of the Mr. Niceguy schtick.
posted on July 16, 2004 11:28:06 PM new
Seems to me people stop posting when THEY run out of things to say. If you dont like a topic you can always start a new thread? Why try to blame one person who has not changed because you've lost interest here?
I would not apologize to Bush, Linda. He took a great leap with this war and Im not sure it was the right way to go into the future. Time will tell. But I will let you in on something that crossed my mind this evening. I remember the inspectors being blocked. Then the ensuing threats coming along, stronger and harder. We're gonna do this, we're gonna do that if you dont let us really see whats going on here. It almost reminds me of a parent with a kid. You know, if you threaten to take action and then you do nothing - the kid has no respect for you and thinks youre all talk. I have to wonder if all this - the war - would have ever happened had Saddam just complied with the inspections? (They weren't just U.S. inspectors either, right?)
Some say he desperately wanted to avenge the threat made on his fathers life. I do think that probably blurred his vision on this somewhat.
I dont know why, but Roosevelt's motto "talk softly and carry a big stick" came into my mind just now. I havent figured out how it makes sense right yet, but when I do I'll let you know.
ok. Good night, good morning, adios, sayonara, mayonaise and adieu.
posted on July 16, 2004 11:55:28 PM new
The first thing I have to say tonight is crowfarm the master of spelling did you type this.
KERY WON'T BE HIDING IN A BOTTLE I will never leave you alone when you criticize others with their spelling and not yourself...
I had a big long speech but who gives a damn nobody in here. There are posters in here that use terrible language, and yes I am saying that again. I will say it as many times as logansdad posts about gay marriage. Call posters horrible names. I guess we as humans have no feelings well at least not the "neo-cons"
Time to sit back relax. The same crap is posted in every thread. There is nothing new down here. Something was mentioned in the EO about the RT and why they won't come down here. I can't believe that Vendio stands for some of the things that are said but with no monitors they will never know.
It's one thing to post thoughts but to attack another human is beyond me.
posted on July 17, 2004 03:13:42 AM new
desquirrel
I suppose you know Dennis personally? You've sat down with him one-on-one? No? Then, who are you to judge? I just happen to know Dennis and I know that he is more intelligent than Kerry, more intelligent than Edwards and (just like everyone else on the plantet) far, far more intelligent than Bush. You may not agree with his politics and they may be too progressive for all you backwoods types, but there is nothing wrong with the man's intelligence. I will defend him on that.
I have to wonder if all this - the war - would have ever happened had Saddam just complied with the inspections?
Oh, it would have still happened all right. However, he would have had to come up with another reason: maybe the inspectors were being paid off by Hussein, maybe they were in allegiance with Hussein. . .who knows. After all, the UN is not to be trusted. The whole world is not to be trusted so says the leader of the free world. Now who's a mental case of a different caliber?
Cheryl
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posted on July 17, 2004 11:02:41 AM new
LInda: I mean go the the *US Senate site* [url] and there you can see the actual way he's voted. The U.S. Senate site where their votes on the issues are recorded.
I've posted his Senate voting record many times - it's very long and very clear
I went to the US senate site as you suggested. How could you have possibly found anything on that site? There are over 200 items that were voted on during each session of Congress. You could not have possibly found the items you claim prove Kerry is against supporting our troops. Tell how you had the time to go through the votes on each Senate measure over the past 16 years.
Here is more examples of Bush Sr and Cheney, cutting defense spending. If you read further into the article you will see how voted against cuts in military funding back in the early 1990's
posted on July 17, 2004 01:17:14 PM new
"You may not agree with his politics and they may be too progressive"
Thats right Cheryl, Kucinich is a "genius". That's why he's failed at virtually everything he's ever done. I know the "bad people" conspired against him, but if he were in any profession but politics, he'd be unemployed. We need more economic theories from people who know how to run things into the ground.
posted on July 17, 2004 01:42:11 PM new
desquirrel
You are entitled to your opinion. However, I live IN his congressional district and I know what he's done for us and what he's continuing to do for us. Cleveland Public Power (CPP) has been a God send. It's still here. Where's Cleveland Trust, the bank that threatened to close on Cleveland's loans? Oh my, I believe it's GONE. It's because of him that our community hospitals are being saved and we have a choice between First Energy and their questionable business practices and CPP. He was also my mayor at one time. Unless you know the whole sorted story, you don't know much.
posted on July 17, 2004 05:23:29 PM newI suppose you know Dennis personally? You've sat down with him one-on-one? No? Then, who are you to judge?
I think there are millions of citizens who've never known the candidate they've voted for personally. If that were a requirement....very few would ever vote.
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logansdad - You post an article speaking of Bush 1's record. We're talking about THIS president....and there have been no military cuts.
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edited to add: I'm not spending the time looking for the link....but here is a different one where the bill #'s are listed. IF you don't believe them....verify them against the Senate site by their numbers.
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Re-elect President Bush!!
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edited because I just noticed I didn't post the link on kerry's anti-defense votes
posted on July 17, 2004 05:57:52 PM new
neroter - I would not apologize to Bush, Linda.
I don't recall you being one who called him a liar either...or a Nazi..or.....[maybe IF you did I missed it]
He took a great leap with this war and Im not sure it was the right way to go into the future. Time will tell.
Yes, it will. But for me...and what we'd just experienced following 9-11 AND considering how many years he'd been a problem - I think it was the right thing to do.
I remember the inspectors being blocked. Then the ensuing threats coming along, stronger and harder....[etc]
Yes, and it wasn't until we had our military sitting right there, threatening, did he agree and change his mind once again. There was no way we were going to leave our ships, supplies and military soldiers sitting there for years while he continued to play his games.
I have to wonder if all this - the war - would have ever happened had Saddam just complied with the inspections?
I believe it would have prevented it. Even clinton said [and I've quoted him here before] that saddam had become an expert at the games he played with the UN inspectors.
Some say he desperately wanted to avenge the threat made on his fathers life. I do think that probably blurred his vision on this somewhat.
For me, neroter, this was, first off a US President that the attempt was made on. That alone should have enraged ALL American's - should have been considered an act of war - not only those who supported his political positions. And yes, I think most anyone would want to go after the person who tried to kill their father [or other family member]. But Iraq/saddam had been a problem in that part of the world for a long time.
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posted on July 17, 2004 07:41:09 PM new
Linda do you notice though how the Bush haters have done nothing to discredit your original post, but have insulted their way through this entire thread...
It is amusing how they start the insults and then when it is returned they try to say it is the one responding that actually started it...
School yard antics is all they can come up with...
posted on July 17, 2004 08:00:03 PM new
lol Linda, I did call him 'georgie' back a thread or two, though.
add:
yeah, i agree we should have been outraged that he threatened assasination on Bush1. I dont even remember that...my husband reminded me of that. I guess we never took it seriously though....
posted on July 18, 2004 08:11:30 AM newlogansdad - You post an article speaking of Bush 1's record. We're talking about THIS president....and there have been no military cuts.
Yes I am aware you were talking about GWB. However you brought up Kerry's supposed voting record against military funding and not supporting the troops. Funny how you can say Kerry is against the troops but when I can show you a link showing how Bush Sr and Cheney voted agianst military funding you quickly change the topic.
edited to add: I'm not spending the time looking for the link....but here is a different one where the bill #'s are listed. IF you don't believe them....verify them against the Senate site by their numbers.
Perhaps the link doesn't exist. Funny how you will believe a link on geocities.com. That is not the senate voting record. If you are getting your news from geocities.com and believing it to the be the truth no wonder why you like Bush so much. Maybe you shoul start writing for the New York Times. I have heard they are hiring writers that do not have the proof to back up their stories. You should fit right in.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 18, 2004 09:13:34 AM new
LOL logansdad - So now...even with the Senate bill numbers to prove how kerry voted listed - you don't believe he voted that way. Even though YOU could verify them yourself...on the Senate site...using the bill numbers.
Not surprising....you didn't really want the truth to begin with.
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posted on July 18, 2004 09:56:49 AM new
LOL logansdad - So now...even with the Senate bill numbers to prove how kerry voted listed - you don't believe he voted that way. Even though YOU could verify them yourself...on the Senate site...using the bill numbers.
Not surprising....you didn't really want the truth to begin with.
But you still don't want to believe Bush Sr. and Cheney were in favor of reducing military spending as well. So what is your point. Kerry wanted the same as Bush Sr. and Cheney. Back in the 1990's there was no need for having a big military presence. The only major conflict was the first Gulf War and we all know how long that war lasted.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
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posted on July 18, 2004 11:05:32 AM new
Linda, what was Bush Jr's record on supporting our troops during that same time period. Oh that's right Bush could not vote because he was only a Governor. Ok then let's see what Bush did not fighting crime...
In the debate, Governor Bush said the answer to the problem of guns in our society is enforcement of existing laws. Governor Bush signed a law, initiated by the NRA, allowing hidden handguns into places of worship, hospitals, nursing homes and amusement parks. The law prohibits felons from receiving a license to carry a concealed handgun. The Governor, as reported by the LA Times on 10/3/2000, did not enforce this law. Bush allowed over 400 criminals to receive a concealed handgun license. Over 400 criminals in Texas were able to take hidden handguns into places of worship, hospitals, nursing homes and amusement parks.
The LA Times story was not the first report of Bush's weak enforcement on gun laws in Texas. The Wall Street Journal on March 29, 2000 reported, "One danger in debating guns, as in firing them, is that sometimes your shots can ricochet. Republican presidential candidate George W. Bush, in attacks that echo those of the National Rifle Association, repeatedly has accused the Clinton Administration of failing to enforce federal gun-control laws on the books… Back home in Texas, however, state officials rarely pursue violations resulting from two gun laws that Gov. Bush signed into law. One permits the carrying of concealed weapons, the other targets adults who leave firearms accessible to children."
I guess Bush is in favor of supporting law enforcement.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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posted on July 18, 2004 11:22:14 AM new
logansdad - What is my point?
First of all that there's a big difference between *PROPOSING* a normal peacetime reduction in military spending [as Bush1 did] and SLASHING the military budget to use to reduce the deficit....like clinton did in 7 of his 8 years in office. And kerry's votes during this time are on the record.....as is his long *history* of not giving our military the needed funding. kerry has consistantly voted against these issues.....not just during the peace time suggested 24% cuts.
I've previously posted a link showing the clinton administration cut back on military spending by close to 40%. Again, that's not cutting back....that's slashing....so check out kerry's voting record during those years.
You can't vote against funding our intelligence agencies, as kerry did, and then scream and blame others about the poor job they did when you voted not to give the necessary funding.
And that by examining kerry's voting record on all these military, intelligence, troop strength and equipment issues....one can see his part in it. His voting record proves how different his votes have been on these national security issues than what he says in his campaign speeches.
He's an ultra-liberal.....they usually aren't strong on military funding [understatement there]. I personally think they'd like to see the military be almost eliminated - if they could get that by those of us who would fight for that not to ever happen.
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