kraftdinner
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posted on February 12, 2005 04:49:00 PM new
Is war the only available option to remove dictators?
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classicrock000
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posted on February 12, 2005 06:27:34 PM new
no..if we nuke'um all before we send anyone over there,we wont have to worry about it.
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logansdad
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posted on February 12, 2005 07:37:37 PM new
Is war the only available option to remove dictators?
If you are a Republican, then the answer is yes.
Absolute faith has been shown, consistently, to breed intolerance. And intolerance, history teaches us, again and again, begets violence.
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classicrock000
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posted on February 12, 2005 08:04:14 PM new
and if you're a democrat???
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Linda_K
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posted on February 12, 2005 08:16:51 PM new
well...then you just talk about it FOREVER....and ever...and ever
give more and more chances for at least 13 years...then complain MORE time should be given to work it out.
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dblfugger9
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posted on February 12, 2005 08:48:48 PM new
kraft, no, I dont think so. Not always. But any other ways to resolve conflict have to involve a willingness on both parties to do so. If thats not there....::shrug;:
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profe51
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posted on February 12, 2005 09:09:16 PM new
If the US were to fall victim to a dictator, would we expect or even stand for another country to presume to help us out of our problem? I don't think so. What is it about the US that causes us to assume that it's our job to rid the world of bad guys?
I only ask these questions rhetorically. I actually think we should double toast any country that won't willingly accept American style democracy.
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yellowstone
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posted on February 12, 2005 09:10:12 PM new
Is war the only available option to remove dictators?
No but it's the last option and if you threaten to remove him and he refuses to step down then you stand by your words and you do whatever it takes to remove him.
Look at what happened with the dictator Manuel Noriega in Panama. He snubbed his nose at us and finally we had to go in and get him.
After having to do the same with Saddamn Hussein I would think that these 2 examples should be seen as a hard lesson to radical dictators to not mess with the US and I don't care if they have nuclear weapons. If it comes down to it and it has to be done then thats just the way it is.
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dblfugger9
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posted on February 12, 2005 09:16:34 PM new
profe51: ::I actually think we should double toast::
doesnt our daily bread already get burnt on two sides? 
"well, I like bread and buttar...he likes toast and jam..."
Was listening to this crazy song about peas and cornbread the other day. Gotta stop playing with that scanner button. :-0
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hillbillymo
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posted on February 12, 2005 09:49:28 PM new
No, Since the late 70's the CIA began relying on alternative means to gather information, as opposed to utilizing implanted operatives. In the case of Saddam and his regime, by 2001 the CIA should have had operatives in position to execute an assasination.
[ edited by hillbillymo on Feb 12, 2005 09:50 PM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on February 12, 2005 10:13:26 PM new
Yup, war must be the only answer according to the neocons.
Now, are we going after the dictators in South America(many aided by AMERICA), Africa, SAUDI ARABIA ?????????????????????
The neocons just want to keep pushing "democracy" until we're all dead....such a sound policy............
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Libra63
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posted on February 12, 2005 11:22:47 PM new
"Is war the only available option to remove dictators?"
If you are a Republican, then the answer is yes.
If I remember correctly, I think John Kerry and John Edwards voted for the war also. Opps then they didn't vote to support the war. Send the boys over there and then not give them the armour they needed. Sounds good to me....
I don't believe all Republicans were for the war. They were for the person best suited to be President. I didn't want a traitor in the White House.
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profe51
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posted on February 13, 2005 03:45:45 AM new
If you are a Republican, then the answer is yes.........I don't believe all Republicans were for the war.
huh?
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crowfarm
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posted on February 13, 2005 04:31:51 AM new
What does "opps" mean? Optical? Optician?
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classicrock000
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posted on February 13, 2005 04:59:33 AM new
"well, I like bread and buttar...he likes toast and jam..."
The Newebeats-1964
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classicrock000
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posted on February 13, 2005 05:00:33 AM new
" What does "opps" mean? Optical? Optician?"
no it means operation-like the labotomy you had done a few years back
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crowfarm
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posted on February 13, 2005 05:12:04 AM new
Typical Republican...."Send the boys over there and then not give them the armour they needed. Sounds good to me....""""
And that's just what bush did .
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dblfugger9
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posted on February 13, 2005 05:46:37 AM new
no, its for operation...... ROFL!!!
Classic, re: the Newebeats. i had to go look that up because I had no idea what group did that song!
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crowfarm
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posted on February 13, 2005 05:57:07 AM new
dblfuggedup, you're so simply amused....or just ...simple.
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classicrock000
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posted on February 13, 2005 06:57:13 AM new
db-actually when I was in the Navy sailing up and down the coast of Vietnam,we'd gather at the fantail(the back of the ship)and play a game of "name that tune" No we didnt sing anything,but someone would shout out a title and we would have to guess who sang it,or shout out an artist and guess what song he sung.I did quite well at that,but back then rock was only 10 years old and it was easier.
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Libra63
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posted on February 13, 2005 08:23:19 AM new
Typical Republican...."Send the boys over there and then not give them the armour they needed. Sounds good to me....""""
No crowfarm that was what the two "men" that you voted for did. Not the republicans. Have you forgotten already. I guess you call that short term memory.
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profe51
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posted on February 13, 2005 10:11:57 AM new
lobotomy
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maggiemuggins
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posted on February 13, 2005 11:07:55 AM new
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Feb 14, 2006 10:09 AM ]
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dblfugger9
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posted on February 13, 2005 11:51:56 AM new
it is all about us...US... American Hegemony....
Maybe youre right Maggie. But where's it all going? Where does the U.S.'s feet belong, or what role even, in this ever growing global economy does it partcipate in its concerns or the concerns of everybody? Its not like 50 years ago when what any nation did on their soil has no rippling implications anywhere else. It just not like that anymore.
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fenix03
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posted on February 13, 2005 12:18:12 PM new
I think war is a rather expensive way to get rid of a leader. I prefer the good ole fashioned assination method. I would especially like to see it implemented in Sudan.
BTW - As irony would have it Krafty - the lead story in one of the Sunday morning newspapers is a count down of the world top ten dictators.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Linda_K
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posted on February 13, 2005 12:32:50 PM new
maggie -
the religious right believe it is their responsibility to force all nations into accepting a democratic government..they see themselves as saviors on a mission to free the oppressed from the evil dictators. They don't see this as arrogance, or bullying, because they are sure that their motives are pure, helping the oppressed and making the world a safer place..
Everytime I see or hear a leftie say this same thing it causes me to wonder why the person making statements like this don't see it wasn't just the religious right that supported removing this threat to the world and our nation. Have you ever looked at the number of democrats, including kerry, who voted and spoke about the threat saddam presented? Or is that just a fact that the left doesn't wish to acknowledge, so they refuse to.
I get so sick of listening the 'the religious right' being blamed for everything that they don't like. When in FACT the democrats, who aren't 'the religious right'...ALSO supported and voted for war. ALSO spoke out publically in agreement that saddam needed to be removed.
Why do you choose to blame it on this group...and not on the others who did the same thing but aren't on 'the religious right'?
They are outraged at those who oppose the idea and who are not willing to send our men and women to fight to bring American democracy to the rest of the world.
Be outraged then. You don't have control over our men and women who VOLUNTEERED to join our Armed Forces. They weren't drafted, they knew EXACTLY what they might be called on to do. But yet you [collectively] keep repeating this dogma.
It's their job to do what ANY president calls on them to do. No matter the party affiliation. And THEY know that.
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edited to add: KD this is another question I've asked many times from those on the left here...and never received an answer to.....just to add to that list you asked for. We'll see if anyone answers it THIS time around.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on February 13, 2005 01:02:03 PM new
[ edited by maggiemuggins on Feb 14, 2006 10:09 AM ]
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kraftdinner
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posted on February 13, 2005 01:06:17 PM new
Fenix, we should all try to guess at which 10 countries the U.S. will be most interested in liberating next... will it be the countries with oil or without?
Funny how nobody mentions the Sudan or Haiti when talking about liberation. 
Linda, you've got to get passed this about who voted for the war. Nobody cares who voted for it. There are still some who NEVER thought it was a good idea, including myself and others here. I don't care if Kerry was for it. I don't care if God was for it. I wasn't, still aren't, and won't be in the fuure.
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Helenjw
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posted on February 13, 2005 01:15:07 PM new
"Now, I think I have answered your question, Linda.. the one you say lefties never answer?"
The lefties have answered that question over and over and over...long before you arrived, Maggie.
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Linda_K
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posted on February 13, 2005 01:20:36 PM new
And I thank you for doing so. But for me, I don't believe our whole Congress is 'the religious right'. Nor were they during the entire clinton administration made decisions to bomb Iraq because they weren't cooperating. Well...was he/were they fooled also? And was that clinton's fault? And our Congress' ARE the one's who vote on our foreign policies. Just as they did during the clinton administration when they made it our national policy to remove saddam.
But no one appears to want to acknowledge that fact. Our National POLICY was to remove saddam....why? because even the clinton administration felt saddam was a threat. Was clinton misleading us? Was all the intel clinton's people had wrong too? Why do you think hillary and bill BOTH said they believed saddam had these weapons....up until the day we invaded? Were they lying too?
Imo, it was our own intel sources....that appears to have gotten it wrong. And I say appears because even clinton said saddam got so good at fooling the UN inspectors...I still believe they WILL be found someday...or we'll find out where he put them.
But I do fault clinton for not doing more during his term. He didn't want people to be upset with him so he let the attacks against our country pretty much go by without dealing with the terrorists. Plus it was under his administration that a 40% was made to our military. I thought of that when someone above mentioned our CIA and they're being in Iraq. Lack of funds keeps a lot of important things from happening. And clinton didn't support the CIA one bit. I can't remember exactly, but it was something like close to two years of clinton being in office before he even MET the head of the CIA. That gentleman said so himself...it was a big joke in WA DC.
But it was not this President making this up or lying to our Nation as the left likes to keep repeating. The last THREE administrations felt he had them - not just this President.
And, if you'd be so kind, we all KNOW saddam DID have them. Since he never proved to the UN where they went....just where do you think they went? Up in smoke? Just magically disappeared?
I'll never understand how so many on the left can excuse saddam's lack of accountability to the US and the UN...for 13 years....while blaming this President for starting an un-necessary war. Never. Saddam had the control and could have prevented this war. But he'd been so smug for so long and no one ever called him on it. He probably just figured we were STILL all talk and 'no show'. Well...he learned differently.
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