posted on September 17, 2000 06:08:05 AM new
No, Mikey, they're "Aircrewman" wings. The militaria expert that you claim to be would know that at a glance.
posted on September 17, 2000 12:23:58 PM new
Well the only reason I could see sarge saying that I was uninformed is if in fact he did inform us with an answer to our question and I somehow missed it...
scanning...
scanning...
scanning...
nope, I don't see anything.
C'mon sarge, get your credibility back out of the toilet and answer the question.
I double dog dare ya, lol
posted on September 17, 2000 05:51:56 PM newSgtMike,
You seem to appreciate plain speaking, so I will speak plainly. The "encounter" on the DNF to which you referred (between KRS and another Vietnam vet) did not occur.
I was heavily involved and present on the DNF during the time that you and Ken were also there. It was at a time that I was attempting to come to grips with my own 'history' with Vietnam, and the death of my husband there, and I was particularly attuned to such references. It was there that I first met Ken, and became aware of you.
Ken's service record is public. It is not exactly as he has described it. It is, in fact, much more. The truth is, easily confirmed via the service records available through the internet, that Ken served with significant honor and dedication to his duty and moreso, to his comrades in an active, ever-dangerous, posting. The records of his unit indicate that, at significant personal risk, lives were saved that would have likely been, and were, lost elsewhere in similar circumstances, by those less willing to put themselves on the life and death line to preserve those things which were still meaningful, even in a place where very little beyond self-preservation was, in fact, meaningful.
Whatever else you may believe Ken to be, or not, he is a genuine American hero, who owes no one, including you, a recitation of his credentials. But your subterfuge in making his service record an issue is obvious in its diversionary purpose.
The fact is, you have been asked repeatedly to provide something...anything...in concrete support of George W. Bush as a viable candidate with the qualifications to hold the office of President of the United States, and not another half-baked, hearsay, propaganda anti-Gore statement. And you haven't done it, which can only lead to a reasonable conclusion that you cannot do so. You are not reluctant to provide attack, and seem well able to produce such statements. You obviously have the capability to do a bit of research and post, at the least, a link. So, you CAN, theoretically, but you don't. Rather, you attempt distraction by attacking Gore, and when challenged, you attack those (who challenge you) as lacking in intelligence, comprehension, or their own truthfulness regarding their background and credentials.
Me? I'm voting. Not for Al Gore, and never for Dubya. When it comes down to it, one of them will be our next President, and while Gore won't get my vote, he will get my hopes.
Beth
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posted on September 17, 2000 06:41:38 PM new
Thank you hellcat! I know you don't post as often as you did before. But, I'm glad you added this information as one who was there to know the history between sgtmike and krs.We have asked sgtmike repeatedly to offer his praises of Bush. And as you see all we have gotten are attacks and put downs to those that ask.
posted on September 17, 2000 09:46:23 PM new
Beth,
I've long been impressed with your writing style and the tenacious spirit you've displayed on this board. I am moved now to offer my gratitude for your sacrifice and sympathy for your loss.
I truly appreciate your refutation of the allegation made by our fellow poster.
posted on September 17, 2000 11:15:18 PM new
After a seemingly countless number of logical challenges and refutations, several pages ago, I thought surely sgtmike would finally just drop whatever agenda it is that he has been pursuing, perhaps to reach the pinnacle of absurdity. If so, he's been successful in that respect.
Received your scanned image of the "Bronze Star Award." I am highly suspect of the authenticity and seem to remember reading a similar document indicating the identical action, but the person being awarded was not you. Also the military officer who prepared the document cannot spell.
Could be real, but I doubt it. Maybe my suspicion is caused by the things you have said and done in the past, and not done or said in the past when/where it was appropriate you should have. Or like the C.I.B. thing that you now have a different story for. Or, maybe the games you play and the fraudulent statements you make just do not fit the profile of a self-proclaimed war hero.
hellcat
I can appreciate your loyalty, but your has memory has either faded, conveniently been filed away, or you were not present. It did happen. There are some people around that remember the incident. Good try, won't fly.
Many outfits in most wars have records of gallantry. Does not mean each person of the unit performed "above and beyond."
I suggest that you, and some others, backup and read again. krs eventually started doing what he normally does when it appears to him that he is not retaining his status that he believes he should. Generally (as always) he starts off being mildly and covertly sarcastic and then he picks up speed. His fabrications and the tendency to just toss anything out that he conjures up in his mind, a practice that Kenny has followed for quite awhile, and not just here.
I used to (just) joust with him and write it off that he might have a self-esteem problem that he does not recognize having. However, this time he crossed the line. He does not know me, as he would like you to believe he does. The crap he spewed forth this time is total fabrication and he knows it. In fact, as blatantly fraudulent as his statements were, cannot be deemed anything less than lies and him a liar. It is one thing to make playful statements that are false but done in a manner that makes it obvious he is joking, it is an entirely different matter when he professes his statements to be true.
You will notice his demeanor changed when his confession that he does not vote was challenged and it was said that his non-vote status tended to diminish the value of his opinion, and it does. Reverse the situation and krs would do the same, but in a very sarcastic and demeaning manner. krs may not know me, but he knows me well enough (forum-wise) to know that I will draw a line and let him know where he can put his alleged war hero crap. If his claims are true, his actions then, do not buy him a special status with me, now. With me, he has dumped any respect he might deserve in the toilet.
"I'm so far to the right, I am almost at the left."
posted on September 18, 2000 02:32:53 AM new
Sgt.Mike,I was at the dnf that night.Begging
XXX not to question KRS about vietnam,She was curious,And the girl just and wanted to hear some war stories from KRS. junkson was not in the mood to tell anything about that place,Most GIs never want to talk about Vietnam,
And untill a GI is ready to talk,He or she wont be goaded into any stories,Especially
When the mood had been light hearted,and a little crazy,As was that night.XXX feelings
were hurt,She and junkson made up a couple of days later.And Sgt.Mike,If KRS says he did
something,And he was somewhere,You can pretty much bank on it.
posted on September 18, 2000 02:37:08 AM new
Everyone,
I realise the discussion has detoured off topic and into very personal territory that those involved have every right to react passionately about but there have been several insults that violate the CGs.
I cannot see the point in letting this deteriorate further - it would ultimately result in warnings and/or suspensions. I think it best to lock this thread.
posted on September 18, 2000 02:37:13 AM new
Beth,That knocked the breath out of me.I lost a lot of friends over there.Including a sweetheart.Its always like yesterday.
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