kram12
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posted on November 11, 2000 03:47:52 PM new
Hello, I know I'm not the only one in here that is waiting for either a refund or a playstation 2 from Gametek. Anyone who is involved with ps2cart.com knows what I'm talking about. I got an email from paypal today asking several questions about the PS2 epic. I wish they would be able to ship to everyone who ordered, but I think they took way too many orders. Anyone involved please feel free to post any info/insight.
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richeddy
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posted on November 11, 2000 03:51:49 PM new
Interesting, I hope that many weren't scammed. I got an email from somebody that was auctioning the "information" necessary to buy a PS2 at a reasonable price before Christmas. In that email, I was informed tht the ps2cart.com site might not be reputable, so he was pulling his auctions and suggesting that nobody buy anything from them. Anybody else have any comments....?
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cornholed
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posted on November 11, 2000 04:47:05 PM new
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I ordered from Gametek/PS2cart and they told me from the very beginning that no Playstation 2 would be shipped out before December 1st. I had no problem with that as long as I had it before December 15th as per the guarantee. There is absolutly no where on there webpage that they would ship in 5 business days or anything like that. It was delivery before December 15th. Period. That goes for every single person that ordered from them. I called them this past week and again they comfirmed that all orders for the December 15th delivery would be shipped out between Dec 1st-Dec 5th. I think part of the problem is that this is a product that is attractive to a large group of teens and twentysomethings and from my past experinces they tend to be the most impatient of the bunch. When there neighbor is sitting at home playing the Playstation 2 and they are waiting a month of more of course they are going to want to know what the wait is all about. But they knew that up front when ordering. That is what is feeding the frenzy. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the Gametek people are the brightest bunch on the block. And their email expaining to the customers to ask for a refund from Paypal was absolutly idiotic. But they still have done nothing to prove fraud as of yet. They still have a month to get the Playstations delivered. I think the scary part is that Paypal is involved with it, the way they change there TOS on a weekly basis that will end up screwing everybody if things go haywire. Personally I hope people do ask for a refund so I just move that farther up in line for shipment!
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TMMamoru
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posted on November 12, 2000 12:18:26 PM new
Now them's the REAL crooks out there- selling a LINK to ps2cart... pfft.
I saw as many auctions selling "Info" as I did selling actual PS2s. Some as high as $100, just for the link!
I supose it can't be helped- some people are nuts.
I also have an order pending with GameTek. I've spoken to them on two occasions. I've yet to see any evidence that they are a fraud, or attempting a fraud. All these impatient kids calling shenanigans have most likely caused the problems (with PayPal's account seizure...)
Like Cornholed said- nowhere on the web page did it say that anything was going to get to you any sooner than December 15th. And I won't start checking the mailbox in anticipation until December....
But I do agree with a point Kram made at the beginning. I think they took way to many orders- unless they've got some serious contacts with Sega (or are planning on hijacking a boatload of them...) I don't see how they can fill what could easily be a few thousand orders. Even a few hundred seems remarkable to me, given the demand on them right now, and how tight Sega's shipments have been.
I'll wait and see.
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scottv-07
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posted on November 12, 2000 12:55:55 PM new
Here's the thing. Two sites are stating that people can receive them by the 15th of Decemeber. So, either a LARGE container (shipping term) of PS2's are on their way & both sites will ship as promised.
See both state they will ship around December 1st-5th. So, I have one at ps2cart.com & will wait & see. I hope to have one by the 15th.
scottv
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Hammer1961
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posted on November 12, 2000 06:37:32 PM new
I am also in the wait and see mode. I agree that they did not promise anything before Dec.15th. What does scare me is they are selling more PS2s on their website, promising delivery by Dec. 25 and taking payment by check or Money Order only. This makes me wonder if they have given up on the Paypal debacle and are giveing the machines to the next takers or are they trying to get some money and run before they are caught. Either way doesn't sound good to me. Now I guess the trick would be to get the money from Paypal before their trouble with lawsuits and such takes them under.
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mogu
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posted on November 13, 2000 01:29:00 PM new
I've also placed my order through ps2cart.
However, I was not worried about anything at all till everybody started bashing about it.
Now I'm just waiting to see if I receive my PS2 by December 15. Well, even if I don't I don't care as long as I receive it in the reasonable time because that way I can even get free game (as ps2cart guarantees).
I hope this doesn't go to a bad direction and create even worse situation seeing Paypal making some moves.
I think if ps2cart had provided more information about their shipping information and rules and regulation, there would have been less confusion. Ps2cart should at least provide more details on its site.
But for now, I'm just waiting just like other people.
[ edited by mogu on Nov 13, 2000 01:30 PM ]
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kram12
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posted on November 13, 2000 01:33:59 PM new
Called them today to ask about paypal situation. They said they couldn't comment on it and that they had legal help that was taking care of it for them. They said again that they are on schedule to ship out my order between Dec. 1-5. I only hope that is the truth or there will be an even bigger panic. If they come through with the shipment, I'll let you know. I know they said Dec. 15, but has anyone received anything from them yet or is there 1st shipment going out Dec. 1-5. I know 2 local Wal-Mart stores got some in this morning and announced on the PA and they were going in minutes. I checked at noon and got the news.
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sg52
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posted on November 13, 2000 01:36:52 PM new
Called them today to ask about paypal situation.
Can someone explain just what the paypal situation is?
sg52
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kram12
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posted on November 13, 2000 01:46:13 PM new
FYI Paypal froze Gametek's account. Gametek sent an email out:
Dear Valued Ps2Cart.com Customer
In an effort to meet the demands of our customer we have encountered issues, which are beyond the scope of our control.
Among the problems is that PayPal.com has froze our account for an undetermined amount of time. Their reasoning behind doing this is due to the fact that they have received numerous fraudulent credit cards from our customers. We have attempted to contact them to resolve this matter over the last 5 days but have not received a reply from them. We have given Paypal.com until 4 P.M. PST to contact us. If by 5 P.M. PST you do not receive a follow up email from us, we are asking our customers to contact PayPal.com (1-888-221-1161) and ask for a full refund. For those customers who have not yet paid thru PayPal.com please hold your payment until further notice. All orders made thru Paypal.com will not be cancelled. We are working on alternative payment methods to ensure that all of our PaPal.com customers will be properly handled in an efficient and secure manner. We will notify by email when a new payment method has been established.
Thank You Ps2cart.com.
P.S.
Our staff has been overwhelmed with telephone calls and emails, we will appreciate it if you limit your calls. Due to the foreseen amounts of calls that we are expecting to recieved from this email, we apologize in advance for any inconvenience that this may cause you, but be assured that we are trying our best to answer all incoming calls. If we are unable to answer your phone call, please be patient and wait a least 1 hour before calling us back again.
Which caused a big panic. So, currently anyone wishing to receive a refund that paid through paypal is out of luck.
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ThorinMan
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posted on November 13, 2000 02:40:32 PM new
I paid my Paypal and the other day I looked at my account and the money had been return to my account. Then I got an Email your Ps2cart.com saying that they had recived my payment of 0$. After i recived one saying the recived the original 362.50$ (or somthing like that).
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sg52
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posted on November 13, 2000 02:50:52 PM new
Let's see if I get this right.
1000's of people order a PS2 from Gametek and pay by paypal.
Gametek transfers a whole lot of money out of PayPal.
PayPal gets scared. Locks Gametek's account.
GameTek fights back by suggesting that customers should demand a refund from PayPal.
Ok so far??
One crucial question. Of customers who paid already, how can the customer or GameTek know if the money has been transferred to Gametek before the account was frozen?
This matters. It matters to me if I ordered from Gametek and paid for a PS2 this morning. MY money has not been given to Gametek, it's being held by PayPal, and there is no imagineable justification for PayPal keeping it to mitigate losses regarding money they already gave to Gametek.
In short, PayPal cannot end up having it both ways, my money was sent to Gametek from my point of view, but it's ending being kept by PayPal from Gametek's point of view.
sg52
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cornholed
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posted on November 13, 2000 04:12:23 PM new
sg52 you need to take a vallium. Ps2cart has said that all people who ordered through paypal will still get there Playstation 2 and the order will not be canceled. There account was frozen because of all the idiots using fraudulent credit cards to try and get a Playstation 2. I almost feel sorry for PS2cart because after we all get our Playstation 2's nobody will be back here to say "Oh gee we were wrong, they did fullfill their promise and deliver on time." All we are doing is fueling the waiting frenzy.
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sg52
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posted on November 13, 2000 05:00:50 PM new
There account was frozen because of all the idiots using fraudulent credit cards to try and get a Playstation 2.
That might well be what PayPal said.
But put yourself in PayPal's shoes.
This,um, "company" takes tons of orders for something both valuable but also in very short supply. The company offers no credible explanation for where it intends to get the item, but it does keep taking orders. The short supply is crucial to the analysis of what's going on: it gives a plausible (if barely) explanation why a "company" would be collecting huge sums of money while not shipping anything.
It's also crucial that this company does not itself take credit cards; no real financial institution would find itself in PayPal's shoes, pissing off the good guys while allowing a mountain of funny money to accumulate right under their nose. Answer us this, cornholed: if Gametek is for real, why can't they process cards themselves? Indeed, why can't they seem to find any financial institution which trusts them with as much as three dollars?
Should PayPal just, well, hope that things work out even while they give thousands of dollars more every day to that "company"? Of course not.
When we look back on this mess a month from now, we'll see where the clues were razor sharp.
sg52
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sg52
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posted on November 13, 2000 05:08:44 PM new
anyone been to http://www.ps2cart.com lately?
A ghost town.
sg52
[ edited by sg52 on Nov 13, 2000 05:10 PM ]
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Hammer1961
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posted on November 13, 2000 05:11:10 PM new
Well Cornholed, I am willing to say they have responded to every email I have sent. It is understandable that people get nervous in a situation like this. I realize my last entry sounded a little cynical but I am still pretty sure this is legit and they will come through. PS2CART.COM may be learning as many lessons as the rest of us in this situation. They leave themselves open to a lot of questions. But I promise, if they come through for me here, I will be back to give them my apoligy for even adding to this thread.
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TMMamoru
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posted on November 13, 2000 06:13:53 PM new
Hammer, I never had them actually reply to any of my e-mails. Always got the same, stock, "Questions? Call us..." line.
Here's some interesting numbers for you to think about. (Refering back to my "potentially thousands of sales" comment above.) Go to the Check Referrals page, and hit Submit. No name. These, as far as I can tell, are people who placed an order without entering a referral. BIG list of names. I didn't sit and count them, but instead copy/pasted the entire list into Word, and used the "Count Words" function to get a total of 2,964. Add on the names I've got on my own referral list, give or take a few for errors- we've got around 3000 orders.
I know it says those are just orders- not all of them neccisarily paid for... but if there was money behind each and every one of those 3000 orders... we're talkin' a <b>Million</b> cash.
Wow.
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cornholed
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posted on November 13, 2000 06:41:49 PM new
Maybe PS2cart will be able to meet thier shipping needs because that is when the refurbished Playstation 2's from Japan which have been out for months will be installed with the US software and sent for shipment in the United States and sold as new? Or maybe this is all just a dream? 
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pornstar400
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posted on November 15, 2000 03:40:39 PM new
I ordered a Playstation 2 from GameTek.
I think all of the fuss is about people complaining to PayPal about bidding on the information on where to get the ps2.
I think some people were under the impression they were bidding on actual systems. Obviously by the price of some of those this is true.
Also, I think its quite obvious that it wasn't just "anyone" posting the auctions to bid on info, it was GameTek themselves which is why PayPal is involved.
Just a thought.
-dj
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pornstar400
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posted on November 20, 2000 10:14:05 AM new
Anyone else?
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scottv-07
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posted on November 20, 2000 03:53:26 PM new
Well, I'll give an update....
Emailed them a few days ago & they said mine would ship around the first week of December.
scottv
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pornstar400
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posted on November 20, 2000 05:07:35 PM new
Thats cool. I sent them an e-mail about a week ago but I haven't heard anything yet.
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Hammer1961
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posted on November 25, 2000 11:55:09 AM new
Well folks, it looks like it was a scam. All my optimism didn't pay off. The paypal investigation sounds like it frustrated them into giving up. The web site seems dead. Nobody is answering the phone over there at Gametek and I can't get a response via email. I am giving up and hoping Paypal sticks to their word and refunds me. Sounds like my cup has to be half full again. Good luck to all of us.
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TMMamoru
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posted on November 26, 2000 12:26:39 PM new
Now... it' still a few days early to give up and start accusing them of foul play.
Products weren't even supposed to ship until December 1st.
The terms of the sale are very plain. They've got till December 15th to get you your toy. Till then, just sit tight.
Now... if we don't start hearing about people receiving their products shortly after December... then we've got a problem.
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yisgood
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posted on November 27, 2000 09:29:34 AM new
Just had to post this up here. This might explain why you're waiting for those playstations and what to do in the meantime.
http://www.miamiherald.com/davebarry
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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yisgood
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posted on November 27, 2000 09:31:12 AM new
I forgot to mention, when you click the link
http://www.miamiherald.com/davebarry it takes you to a page with only part of the article. You have to click the title again to get the full article.
http://www.ygoodman.com
[email protected]
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TMMamoru
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posted on November 27, 2000 01:57:42 PM new
::Laughs::
Yes, Dave's got it exactly right, once again.
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cornholed
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posted on November 27, 2000 03:56:33 PM new
I agree with Hammer. Gametek has not answered the phone or returned email for weeks. None of their games or accessories are available. Even if they couldnt guarantee delivery by the 15th I dont know how they could give you the option of a free game when they dont have any themselves. And how do they expect to get any Playstation 2's when they can't pay thier distributor because Paypal has froze there account. Has anyone verified if thier office actually exists? I am flying down there Friday morning to verify. I am going to see if anyone actually shows up at their office. It they are shipping by Dec 5th that means that they will know by tomorrow that they will recieve their own shippment or not on time. What are the chances of them passing on that information to the customer before December 15th? Of course we will know by December 6th when we recieve are tracking number or not.
Lastly, how many are going to buy from Gametek next year when the Gamecube and XBox come out? Yay or Nay? hehehe
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scooterman557
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posted on November 27, 2000 06:06:22 PM new
I called the company last week and talked to a human. They told me they could not get any PayPal money. I was then told to mail them a check because my unit was still "reserved" for me...
Yea...I'm sending them a check today....do I just look stupid?
Called PayPal...they told me to get a refund from ps2cart... and that is was not their (PayPals) responsibility.
They too must think I am really stupid.
So, wrote credit card company to get charges reversed.
None of you will see a unit because they don't have any. Is there ANYONE with a unit that has received them from PS2cart?
no. Get out now while the money is still available to be charged back...
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TMMamoru
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posted on November 27, 2000 06:53:19 PM new
Alright, so maybe it's a boldfaced, blatant fraud.
I'll admit, I'm in complete denial. I'll be waiting till the last minute before calling my credit card company and reversing the charges. I'll be clinging to my last shread of hope that maybe, maybe, these guys got a good deal on some PS2s in whatever villa they're hiding in in Mexico, and remembered my e-mail address...
But something that's been rattling around in my head since day one when I placed the order- if this is a fraud... isn't it a really stupid one?
I mean... doesn't PayPal require a verified credit card and checking account and mailing address to advance to a verified Buisness account?
To me, that just seems like a paper trail a monkey could follow?
Or maybe I've just watched one too many episodes of "Columbo."
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