posted on February 23, 2005 04:58:43 PM new
Well, as for missing Fluffy, I'm not one of them, she never made any remark that was worth reading when someone had a problem.
I for one have had a run in with her on here many times and it got to the point of me saying,.......if you have more nasty remarks to make just call me on the phone, and lets get this over with.
People come in here for help not to be degraded, put down or told they are dumb, so from my point of view,. I'm happy she is gone. And as for hidding............well I'm not hiding like she was, this is my selling name, I don't feel there is any reason to hide when you are just trying to help someone or maybe you yourself need help.
posted on February 23, 2005 06:06:31 PM new
Nicely said, tonimar1.
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
posted on February 23, 2005 06:27:02 PM new
See? She still stirs this board up even in absentia!
I think none of us will change our minds about Fluffy. She must be one of the types of people you love or you hate - not one to command indifference at any rate.
Whatever the price of silver, she is still selling it and looks to me like she still has 100% sell through rate too. She changed her business model a little and it looks like it works for her.
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"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh@#...what a ride!"
posted on February 23, 2005 06:46:40 PM new
The ‘teacher’ ID had almost 500 posts on Vendio since the beginning of last year and was helpful to many that asked questions about ebay, about identifying items and about business in general.
Both IDs had the same acerbic attitude and I didn’t get the feeling she was trying to hide. She had over 3000 posts under the Fluffy ID and the knowledge and experience to back up much of her advice.
She may have been wrong on occasion or rude or stressed out and I didn’t always get along with her or agree with her but I still say she contributed to this board.
Sometimes I think we all need someone to shake us up a bit and rethink the way we are doing business.
posted on February 23, 2005 07:07:25 PM new
yeah,rethink our business model,the price of silver has skyrocketed.
may be she is with Hilary Clinton,someone said why bring her in as a running mate for the presidential election,half of the nation loves her and the other half hates her,result is zero.
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posted on February 23, 2005 10:10:42 PM new
Fluff never posted in RT - It probably would have been strange since those that had the least problems with her in this forum (Kiara and myself for instance) would have been the ones she disagreed with the most in that forum. Not everyone can put their differences aside when they chage forums like you and i do.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on February 23, 2005 11:21:09 PM new
I think what was offensive to some of us oldtimers here was that the eBay Outlook has always been civil, for the most part, and extremely helpful to each other and to newbies. When someone comes on like gangbusters, putting down a seller who has a simple question, that's offensive to me--and undoubtedly to a few others here.
Everyone's welcome, but, since we have no moderator looking over our shoulders, as we used to, it's incumbent on all of us to moderate the discussions and keep it civil. That's all I ask. Simple civility. People who want to be rude can take it to the Roundtable!
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There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire
to become a great writer. When asked to define "great" he said,
"I want to write stuff that the whole world will read,
stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level,
stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl in pain and anger!"
He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages.
posted on February 24, 2005 01:42:17 AM new
"Everyone's welcome, but, since we have no moderator looking over our shoulders, as we used to, it's incumbent on all of us to moderate the discussions and keep it civil."
posted on February 24, 2005 04:59:37 AM new
You know, I just checked the Community Guidelines, and NOWHERE does it say that one has to be more "civil" on the ebay outlook board than the Roundtable board!!
I agree, I wouldn't want to put up with the nonsense on the Roundtable Board here on the Ebay Outlook forum. At the same time, we don't have to agree on every topic and post only saccharine comments!! This is an internet chatroom for Pete's sake!
Fluffy might have crossed the borders of civility from time to time but comments here should be taken with a grain of salt! Calling someone a "blue Meanie' is hardly libelous. I should add, however, that I have always been uncomfortable with personal attacks, no matter where they come from.
I think the reincarnation as "iareateacher" was in response to a feeling that she had been targeted and ganged up on and worse yet, her auctions messed with! True, she often was impatient and haughty and full of herself and darn right rude, but she is very bright and has a lot of knowledge and experience that we can benefit from. At least she evoked discussion and dissenting opinions - perhaps that was the intent of her online personna?
I think the board has been less informational since her departure and it certainly has become a whole lot more ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ! I think every board has room for people like Fluffy - the caveat is that one has to learn to get past the personality ( I am not convinced that the personna she showed here is at all like the real life Fluffy) and read the content of the posts. Just my opinion of course And I am a yellow dog Democrat!
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posted on February 24, 2005 05:20:40 AM new
I was just looking for where it says you can only 'employ' one main posting ID for the Community Forums at Vendio ... I just don't see that info anywhere on their {wordy} guidelines:
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posted on February 24, 2005 05:22:03 AM new
... but I think it boils down to Vendio is allowed to limit things as they simply see fit. (judge and jury), ... JUST LIKE ebays boards.
posted on February 24, 2005 05:27:38 AM new
neglus
Being a yellow dog democrat, she has told you to "grow up" on her website. Said some nasty things about dems there commenting that she'd like Condi Rice to run for president, but that's a matter for the RT. Again, she was suspended when she came back as iareateacher. I suspect that Vendio found out (and not by me) that she did that and they suspended her again. Right or wrong, suspended is suspended. I do not agree with the how and why of it all, but I have no say in Vendio matters. She was, IMO, unfairly suspended over the Ronald Reagan thread.
I agree that we've become a sleepy community. For the most part I think it's because it's that time of the year. We're in the tail end of winter. Garage sales, flea markets and the like are few and far between. At least here in the NE they are. People are busy with their taxes and other end of the year stuff. Most of us don't have the time or energy right now to be fiesty. Watch out, though. Spring is right around the corner. I expect bursts of energy then.
All-in-all, I think that the EO is a help board. You don't help people by putting them down and getting your drawers in a bunch. I'm sure the rude comments turned away many newcomers to this board.
Besides, she couldn't have known it all. I know it all! I'm the queen of the world and I make escargo in a Aebleskiver!
Cheryl
"No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power." ~ P.J. O'Rourke
"People who want to be rude can take it to the Roundtable!"
Roadsmith, I consider that remark rude. And furthermore, to roast a former member of a board who is no longer able to defend herself here is also rude.
posted on February 24, 2005 05:42:54 AM new
"Being a yellow dog democrat, she has told you to "grow up" on her website. Said some nasty things about dems"
posted on February 24, 2005 05:59:50 AM new
Cheryl - I am by no means nominating her for sainthood and I don't care what she puts on her website or what her politics are. Some of my best friends are Republicans and they call me a variety of names, "Pinko" for one. I don't let it bother me because we agree to disagree and I have some names for them .
I suppose if she were suspended for life (but for WHAT????) there would be grounds for Vendio to suspend her again if she came on with another ID. Otherwise, if she felt her auctions were being interfered with, who can blame her for adopting a new name?
As for newcomers, they had better get over it. I know the first time I posted here I was blasted so badly (not by Fluffy) that another member emailed me to say not to worry about it. We all have been pretty rude to some newcomers (ie rhymes with PAL) when it is evident that they don't have anything to contribute to the board or are spamming or trolling.
Probably the reason the board is more boring nowadays has as much to do with the departure of many posters because they erroneously thought they had to "belong" (as in pay) to Vendio to post here as it does with Fluffy's demise.
Lurkers note: you do NOT have to pay to post - Vendio requires a credit card to prevent trolls and spammers - when you join, you simply have to opt out of Vendio image hosting and other services. So sign up! We need new blood! (just kidding)!
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"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh@#...what a ride!"
posted on February 24, 2005 06:36:49 AM new
There is a different standard in the EO than the RT. A poster was suspended by what she did in the EO. Her posts and threads removed but not in the RT. I think is says if you are on a temporary suspension you cannot post under a different ID and if you do and they find out about it your suspended for good.
posted on February 24, 2005 06:40:01 AM new
This board was a little more active before Vendio asked for a credit card to post. There seemed to be more information than now.
I think there was a lot of problems before CC, and now it is just a few that are here. Not that that is bad because there still is a lot of information gotten here, especially computer help.
posted on February 24, 2005 10:11:01 AM new
C'mon, Helen. THIS was a roast??
posted on February 23, 2005 11:21:09 PM edit "I think what was offensive to some of us oldtimers here was that the eBay Outlook has always been civil, for the most part, and extremely helpful to each other and to newbies. When someone comes on like gangbusters, putting down a seller who has a simple question, that's offensive to me--and undoubtedly to a few others here.
"Everyone's welcome, but, since we have no moderator looking over our shoulders, as we used to, it's incumbent on all of us to moderate the discussions and keep it civil. That's all I ask. Simple civility. People who want to be rude can take it to the Roundtable!"
Every organization, business, and group has a "corporate culture." When new people come into it, they learn (often without words) what that is and either fit into it or become a problem. The corporate culture teaches business employees how to treat customers, hospital employees how to treat patients and their families, etc.
Most of us are thick-skinned and can take a lot of verbal abuse; my concern was for the new people who came in and, in some cases, were so slapped down (and not by Fluffy either!) that they were discouraged from coming in again.
___________________________________
There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire
to become a great writer. When asked to define "great" he said,
"I want to write stuff that the whole world will read,
stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level,
stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl in pain and anger!"
He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages.
posted on February 24, 2005 10:36:25 AM new
Even though the say there are no moderators I will bet every once in a while someone stops in. I honestly think if one stops in and reads this thread that they might say it belongs in the RT. I think fluffy knows who likes her and doesn't like her so she is probably reading this and saying same old thing.
You can post with two different ID's I think there is one here right now. Posts with one here and a different one down in the RT. But that's okay unless one of his is suspended then he can't post with the other until the suspension is up. He is a gentleman in both areas.
posted on February 24, 2005 11:05:07 AM new Roadsmith, It is wrong to devote an entire thread to an evaluation of a member who can no longer post here and defend themselves. Just as you offer a seller the opportunity to defend themselves against allegations, you should not discuss this individual without her knowledge or presence. To do so is inappropriate and RUDE.
It is also wrong for you to suggest to people here that the RT is the place to go to be rude.
posted on February 24, 2005 11:06:02 AM new
I know! I was only interested in some silver jewelry for Hunter's birthday and it looks like I opened up a can o' worms!
BTW you can google up all the Fluffythewondercat you want by putting her name in google and at the end of the first page, choose the ignore the omitted posts.
posted on February 24, 2005 11:47:24 AM new
Here is how Fluffy messed up.
If she would have just placed her political and acerbic comments as a signature line like Tomwiii, she'd be here today enlightening us all with her magnetic charm.
While I find Tomwiii's posts entertaining and informative and enjoy reading them, I find his signature lines distasteful. Which obviously is okay by Vendio's rules.
posted on February 24, 2005 11:52:07 AM new
I think Tommy should quit all that babytalk and learn to talk like an adult again!
-sig file -------Life is one big happy 'All You Can Eat' buffet .
posted on February 24, 2005 12:23:18 PM new
Fluffy, I assume supported George W. as did most (who bothered to vote).
Tom supported that other guy ....
The harsh wording against people who felt the Democrat would have been a better a choice were an attack on indiviual choice.
The photo comparing our President to an ape, was demeaning and degrading insult to the Office of the Presidency.
Which is worst??? I don't know...its a tossup?? I do not like either of these ways to express ones' political views.
Tom/Ralphie is always very helpful to newbies and oldies on the BB.
I never knew Fluffy were suspended. Never read the Reagan thread. Fluffy did not have a monopoly or copyright on rudeness.
I guess we all have our moments, some more than others.
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edited to correct spelling of Reagan
[ edited by deur1 on Feb 24, 2005 02:00 PM ]
posted on February 24, 2005 12:33:35 PM new
I think I agree with Helen. This is a roast of sorts, isnt it?
Roadsmith, I cant really say I've ever found your posts to be rude, but I do think there are times when you come off as a wee bit possessive or protective of these boards. (i.e, "us vendioians" "Us oldtimers", etc.) which I always strangely view as an odd attitude toward a website. People come, people go...it's a public place. A virtual bus station, like almost anyweb site. Vendio has a lot of users, not all of them choose to post to the boards. Maybe some lurk, or make an occasional post but who is to say who can or cant have an opinion if they have an account?
As far as the RT goes, I suppose it has more of an edge to it, but people post or join where they want to..whats fun or informative for them.
ed to add: ref the "rules" what if you have an account and your partner also has an account. Two seperate accounts, 2 seperate CC's, passwords, etc. involved. Whats to stop, say you get suspended, and you just post under your partner's ID?? I dont think that is breaking any rules? - Wonder if that is what fluffy did? I dont really care, but wish she would post back here at least one time.
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ed spelling whosever fingers are making these errors - stop it! :-0
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[ edited by dblfugger9 on Feb 24, 2005 12:46 PM ]
posted on February 24, 2005 01:01:06 PM new
dblfugger: Oops! You're right! Looking at my last post, I can see the possessive and protective bits. Thanks for pointing it out.
So, guys, bye for now. I'm off on my errands.
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There was once a young man who, in his youth, professed his desire
to become a great writer. When asked to define "great" he said,
"I want to write stuff that the whole world will read,
stuff that people will react to on a truly emotional level,
stuff that will make them scream, cry, howl in pain and anger!"
He now works for Microsoft, writing error messages.
posted on February 24, 2005 01:34:15 PM new
roadsmith, i hope i did not hurt your feelings. just thought I would mention it in line with the thread/topic that some might feel alienated if they are not considered (or consider themselves) a vendioian, etc.
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