shagmidmod
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posted on July 7, 2008 05:39:23 PM new
Last night I listed an item with opening bid at .99, a reserve of $499.99, Buy It Now is $850.00 with free usa shipping.
1st bidder bid last night and it sat at 99 cents until this afternoon. That is when another bidder (with a +1 rating) came on and bid it up to the reserve of $499.99 by bidding in $50 increments (6 total bids) until it hit the reserve.
Then, he emails me the following email just minutes after, "Saw other detail and not interested in amp. sorry. Please cancel my bid."
I'm really pretty ticked off about it b/c he purposely revealed my reserve and now I'm screwed on selling it to another bidder with the BIN which offered free shipping.
Suggestions? I really just want to rip his heart out and stomp on it!
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cashinyourcloset
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:02:51 PM new
I always tell people to cancel it themselves. You can't stop them from doing it, but at least their ID will show cancellations.
Block them.
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rhpepsi
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:03:31 PM new
if it was mine...
#1...block the son of a #&$#&% quickly...
#2...CANCEL the auction and DON'T hold him accountable(just inviting MORE trouble there --- that you would never win - from eBay or Paypal)
#3...Bite the bullet on the reserve / listing fee(less then $10)
#4...RELIST the auction to include a paragraph about DEADBEATS (be kind, don't want to attract his brother)
#5...SELL it...only out a few bucks from the first tiome around...basically a "DO OVER"...
lastly...let us know the losers id and we all will add them also to our BBL.
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:11:50 PM new
Does ebay not have a policy in how to handle this BS?
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:16:46 PM new
Stomping on a ripped out heart makes an icky mess. Don't do that.
I would also tell him to retract his own bid and then I would report him to eBay for making an illegal bid retraction.
I am sometimes willing to cancel bids from bidders who have a reasonable excuse but "saw other detail" isn't one.
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rhpepsi
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:26:46 PM new
shagmidmod....
"Does ebay not have a policy in how to handle this BS?"
....you are the SELLER, not the BUYER...
enough said
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:35:32 PM new
"enough said"
Yep. Ebay will probably send him a discount coupon for his pain and suffering if you report him as I suggested.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on July 7, 2008 06:51:49 PM new
Kee-rist, people, grow up!
Do you really think anyone wants to listen to your whining or that it is helpful in any way?
The answer to the OP's question:
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/invalid-bid-retraction.html
fLufF
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Free jewelry from Etsy seller in exchange for your advice...
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:04:26 PM new
Yes, send him that link, Shag. I'm sure he will quake in his boots and follow through with his bid once he reads the official retraction policy and understands that this latest account of his may be (gasp) suspended.
I'm sure he'll pay immediately too!
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deichen
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:14:06 PM new
Fluffy, the TEO moderator, she always like to belittle and monitor whether the topic has merit or not.
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:21:18 PM new
So, back to the subject. Shag, what did (or will) you decide to do?
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rhpepsi
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:31:20 PM new
I think the subject or topic was basically CLOSED....just move on. As a seller you are GAMBLING with the NEW EBAY (buyer) POLICIES.
Here is a quote from the ALMIGHTY herself;
My policy has always been: People who want to pay always find a way to pay. Everyone else is a time-waster.
[ edited by rhpepsi on Jul 7, 2008 07:32 PM ]
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:50:08 PM new
Well, probably a little bit of everything...
First, tomorrow I will send the link to this yahoo that fluff sent me.
Second, he'll have to sweat it out for a few days until I get back home on Wednesday.
I've already contacted ebay and the rep said they would issue a refund for the listing fees, etc once I pull it and file the complaint... which I will on Wednesday... and ebay has it on our ebay chat session.
Three, maybe none of this will be necessary by Wednesday and someone will outbid this moron making it pointless.
Either way, two days from know it will be dealt with or not. The auction ends Sunday, so I'm not going to freak out about it today and "pull out his heart and stomp on it" right away.
I figure, there is nothing he can do to make it any worse other than bid on it again and again... which in that case ebay will know he's doing it on purpose since the idiot already used ebay's message system to tell me he didn't want it and I already have my plan set out to deal with it when I get back.
To be quite honest, I wouldn't complain if I got only $500 for it. I paid $20 for the damn thing at an estate sale a few weeks ago. It's just the principle of the whole thing, and obvioiusly, I'd prefer to end up with a bidder who really wants it.
Here is the link:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=190235039628&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=009
You can get the scumbags name there if you want to block the idiot. Anyhow, gotta run, as my time is limited online when on the road.
[ edited by shagmidmod on Jul 7, 2008 07:54 PM ]
[ edited by shagmidmod on Jul 7, 2008 07:55 PM ]
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:55:25 PM new
He is also bidding on a Mercedes and a Land Rover.
"New" bidders. Gotta love em!
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 7, 2008 07:58:57 PM new
Holy crap! Your right, and he was even doing it on those auctions. Look at the bidder with all of the incremental bids. He was purposely bumping bids to hit the reserve!
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 08:00:34 PM new
He also has one bid retraction which means he already knows the difference between a cancelation and a retraction which means he is hardly new, as I already knew.
Anyway, I hope he changes his mind and all goes well for you.
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 7, 2008 08:05:20 PM new
"Look at the bidder with all of the incremental bids. He was purposely bumping bids to hit the reserve!"
We can't see the gory details because of the bid masking. All we can see are the categories.
I hate the bid masking.
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cblev65252
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posted on July 7, 2008 08:25:40 PM new
First, it seems to me that you are better off without this loser. We all would be. If you forced him to stick to his bid you can bet you'd have nothing but trouble afterwards. Cancel his bid, block him and move on. Be happy he didn't follow through. You don't need the headaches.
Edited to add: What is his ID? His ID is masked in the auction.
Cheryl
[ edited by cblev65252 on Jul 7, 2008 08:27 PM ]
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 8, 2008 08:21:27 AM new
his id is thunderranch, but his masked id is the r***e (1).
after reviewing the other two auctions, he only did this with the Mercedes.
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 8, 2008 08:47:45 AM new
I also found the scumbag owns his own business, and is someone who constantly deals with major licensing contracts involving international businesses like Zippo, Brunswick, Orange County Choppers, etc. Obviously, the guy knows better.
I sent the following email:
It is not our policy to interfere with eBay rules. The reason for your request has been denied, as it is not valid according to ebay rules.
It is against ebay policy for a bidder to interfere with auctions for the purpose of revealing a reserve or manipulating the bid process. Upon review of your repeated bids and feedback history, previous bid retractions, and subsequent email after the reserve had been met, it is obvious that your intentions were to interfere with our auction and ebay has been notified of this violation which may lead to your suspension and/or cancellation of your ebay account.
For more information regarding this policy, visit these links.
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/invalid-bid-retraction.html
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/buyer-rules-overview.html
You have entered into a binding agreement to purchase this item, by bidding. We expect that you honor your commitment.
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barparts
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posted on July 8, 2008 10:40:51 AM new
Quit doing reserves.. Frankly that is as slimy as what your bidder did.
If your going to do a reserve, at least have the decency to post what it is.
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 8, 2008 10:52:16 AM new
barparts said "Quit doing reserves.. Frankly that is as slimy as what your bidder did."
What is slimy about it? It is part of ebay and is widely used for auctions, whereas, purposely bidding on an item to reveal a reserve is against ebay's user policies.
"If your going to do a reserve, at least have the decency to post what it is."
Again, that is the descretion of the seller. If the bidder wanted to know what the reserve was, he could have easily sent me a question and asked. He would not be in violation of ebay policies by doing so.
Perhaps, the above is just your opinion, but stating it as fact doesn't make it true.
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 8, 2008 11:01:11 AM new
I might add, there is a very valid reason for the way I set up the auction...
First, the reserve is placed b/c I don't want to sell the item for less than $500.
Second, I save money on the listing by starting the bid at 99 cents rather than $500.
Third, the Buy It Now remains until the reserve price has been met, allowing a buyer to purchase the item outright rather than bidding on it with the chance of being outbidded.
Again, all of this is well within eBay's policies.
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blueyes29
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posted on July 8, 2008 11:06:37 AM new
I haven't used a reserve in years...but, as I recall, the insertion fee is based on the reserve price and not the starting price. So, the insertion fee would be based on the $500 reserve price and not the $.99 starting bid. No money saved there. That being said, I see no problem with using a reserve if that's what the seller wants to do.
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tonimar1
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posted on July 8, 2008 11:31:36 AM new
I agree with what you said Blueyes, the listing price is based on your reserve price.
Personally I don't use reserve price, I list it at the price I want and if the buyer knows I'm asking much less then the actual price and he/she wants the item they will bid.
Let him cancel his bid and move on. I don't think you need a bidder that acts the way he does he could cause more trouble down the road.
toni
www.moulinrougefashion.com
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shagmidmod
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posted on July 8, 2008 11:33:06 AM new
thanks for the clarification on the insertion/reserve fee.
most often than not, when i use a reserve it is done in conjunction with a buy it now. that way the buy it now price can linger for a few days while interest picks up on the piece.
ebay allows a buy it now to stay on during the duration of an auction only in specific categories up to 75% (can't remember exact %) of the BIN price. i wish they would change that (unless they did recently and i am unaware of it) to all auctions.
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rhpepsi
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posted on July 8, 2008 12:42:01 PM new
the biggest change in the RESERVE fees is that eBay has discontinued the refund you would get for listing it with reserve.
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zippy2dah
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posted on July 8, 2008 01:19:56 PM new
I think some buyers are frustrated by unstated reserves but calling their use 'slimy" is a bit over the top.
Do you want eBay to remove even more of our already limited listing options? I sure as hell do not.
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deichen
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posted on July 8, 2008 01:56:43 PM new
well said, zippy2dah
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hwahwa
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posted on July 8, 2008 03:00:12 PM new
Last night I listed an item with opening bid at .99, a reserve of $499.99, Buy It Now is $850.00 with free usa shipping
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How many bidders will do a BIN at 850 when they see a starting bid of 99 cents?
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Google does not hire stupid people.
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