krs
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posted on May 31, 2001 12:48:27 PM new
How puzzling!
Where in:
"Do keep your truck fueled up , tires full of air so that you'll be ready to pick up and haul your trailer out of there when the inevitable meltdown comes won't you?"
is:
"that anyone who does not agree with your wonderfully wise view of the world, must live in a trailer and drive a pick-up"
After all, even I once owned a trailer, but didn't live in it, and even I now own a truck, or, I guess, my wife does.
But how does it read that a wish to keep a truck full of fuel so that a trailor may be pulled away means that a person 1)lives in a trailor 2) drives a pickup (what is "pick-em-up-truck" .
Must be the schools in Texas.
I USED to think that those liveable trailers, rather - mobile homes, couldn't be pulled by a pickup truck, but now I'm beginning to think that in Texas trailers which can be so pulled can be considered to be homes. How very nice.
I'll bet if I'm able to continue on this new learning path I'll be able to view miserable choking smog such as there is in Houston, which dirties everything in town, to be an advantage because it's cheaper than paint and you don't have to risk having your neighbors not liking the color you chose.
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JMHO
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:08:11 PM new
krs
Sorry to have bothered you with logic and reasoning.
I have trouble understanding what Houston can possibly have to do with California's power problems. I also wonder how Houston could be considered any worse than LA as far as smog.
Just continue to hope that the government will take care of all your problems and will eventually repair the San Andreas Fault for you guys.
Probably won't be Bush it will take a real mover and shaker like Gray to fix all your problems.
It can't be MY "fault", I've NEVER owned a "fault"!
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krs
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:22:01 PM new
What was that about memory problems?
"Texas and most of the southwest and south are not having an problem. Texas has the gas and oil to power their plants and they have kept pace building plants to meet demand"
You brought Texas, that garden spot, into this; all I said is that the Nuke plants should be put in bleak places like Texas, and they should be. I know know that Texans, according to you, will revel in the mess they make. Keep them with due pride. At least they're big enough that if you are able to take a tour to the top of one of their smokestacks (or whatever those things are called) you'll enjoy a view. Prior to that, the highest place in the state was a freeway overpass from which there was nothing to see that wasn't brown.
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uaru
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:31:46 PM new
I have trouble understanding what Houston can possibly have to do with California's power problems.
Simple, if you can blame Texas for California's problems then California can deny any responsibility.
Here's a theoretical mental process. We were just sitting here in our hot tub dude, and suddenly it went dark. Texans!!! damn those Texans.
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:34:45 PM new
Those aren't smokestacks nuclear power plants do not put out smoke into the atmosphere, those are called cooling towers
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:35:40 PM new
Texas is fixin to get worse:
http://texas.sierraclub.org/pressreleases/nuclearmemo.html
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krs
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posted on May 31, 2001 01:57:13 PM new
Texans can blame their choking black quagmire of bad air on the San Andreas Fault..., (finally adopting the logic of JMHO)
uaru,
You said that you had been in Bogota on a mission of some sort. Does the last name 'Mosher' ring a bell with you at all? They were friends of our family who picked up and left to establish a mission down there in the 1960s.
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krs
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posted on May 31, 2001 02:07:37 PM new
SNowYegReT,
That's really appalling. For Texas to seek such as that for profit, at the expense of the well-being (such as it is..) of the people of Texas is incredible to me.
Though the Bush name doesn't appear in that report, probably for very good political reasons, you could substitute 'bush' for almost any other name mentioned and not be incorrect. They're part of it, probably behind it.
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NearTheSea
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posted on May 31, 2001 02:28:10 PM new
Ok lets subsitute the name Bush for any and all criminal acts, stupidity, acts of war, end of the world, and of course Satan himself.
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JMHO
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posted on May 31, 2001 03:04:14 PM new
krs
How could I not understand, it is so simple.
The fact that Californians voted against building any power plants, of any kind, for several years is a vast Texas Conspiracy thought up by those terrible Bush boys.
Now, of course, we should let Californians build power plants for themselves anywhere they would prefer to have them.
The other 49 states should not expect to have as much right to decide what they want in their states as California does.
Texans should be honored to supply California's power and not even attempt to make a profit on their investment.
Do You agree that this is pretty much what you just said to me?
It can't be MY "fault", I've NEVER owned a "fault"!
[ edited by JMHO on May 31, 2001 03:05 PM ]
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 31, 2001 05:38:16 PM new
DC Utility declares war on manhole covers
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A60064-2001May22.html
Too much hot air in Georgetown?
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Hjw
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posted on May 31, 2001 06:08:43 PM new
SNowYegReT
ROLFLOL!!! We live near Washington DC
and those manhole covers have been blowing up
all over the place!
The electricty company blames the gas company
and the gas company blames the electric company. Nobody has yet decided with any degree of certainty who is at fault.
Helen
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 31, 2001 06:26:47 PM new
Helen, it's either the politicians or gassy rats.
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Hjw
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posted on May 31, 2001 06:46:18 PM new
SNowYegReT
LoL One or the other and plenty of both to cover all territory!!!
Helen
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SNowYegReT
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posted on May 31, 2001 06:58:03 PM new
Maybe we could put the gassy rats and windbag pols in the Capitol basement to produce power for the people.
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Hjw
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posted on May 31, 2001 07:12:11 PM new
SNowYegReT
Hey, That's the answer! It will generate enough gas and electricity to power the US!!!
for at least four years.
Helen
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SNOwyegReT
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posted on May 31, 2001 07:26:56 PM new
Filibusters for the summer heat 
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krs
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posted on May 31, 2001 07:42:07 PM new
jmho,
"Do You agree that this is pretty much what you just said to me?"
I think that you would do much better for yourself if you simply stop trying to decipher things that I say too fit them into your agenda and simply take my words as literally as you are capable of doing. Anything else applies your own distortions, biases, and perversions to my words and are not giving you the full understanding that you so richly deserve to have.
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JMHO
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posted on May 31, 2001 08:26:43 PM new
krs
That seems to be the problem, I did take you literally.
No one said Texas was a garden spot. I just wondered why you felt they should have the nuclear power plant to furnish California power. That does not seem fair or reasonable to me.
By the way, I do not live in Texas, I just did not like the....
I'm better than they are so let them have the problems and me get the benefits attitude.
That is how it sounded when you proposed putting a nuclear power plant in someone elses backyard so you could keep your backyard nice and pretty. I do not care how ugly you think their backyard is it is not right.
I am not going to attempt to try to understand your complete disregard of facts any longer.
After looking at some of your posts on the round table, I now realize, that the last Presidential election has so colored your outlook, that you are incapable of having a reasonable discission.
I truly hope you can recover from you disappointment and rage and perhaps we can have a discussion some other time.
As for now, I think we should just MOVE ON.
It can't be MY "fault", I've NEVER owned a "fault"!
[ edited by JMHO on May 31, 2001 08:29 PM ]
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sNOWyegreT
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posted on June 1, 2001 05:55:16 AM new
Did someone say Ca has blocked approval of new power plant construction?
http://www.energy.ca.gov/sitingcases/backgrounder.html
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gravid
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posted on June 1, 2001 08:29:06 AM new
More on manhole covers.
I know this is off subject but a fellow I work with got a call at work from his wife and she and another lady were out shopping and said something fell off the car and when they went back they did not know what it was so they put it in the trunk. We spent all day trying to think what it could be since she said it was heavy but the car still ran. - Yes the next morning he came in and announced reluctantly that it was a man hole cover.
We don't know if it was in the road or if they flipped it up running over it. Hope nobody fell in.
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Shoshanah
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posted on June 1, 2001 08:58:57 AM new
Talk about POWER GAMES! These last 2 days, we have been hit by a heat wave the like of which had not taken place since the late 1800's. We had 101 in San Francisco on Wednesday, and 99, I believe, yesterday...During that time, we were put on a stage 2 rolling black-out because....5 power plants were NOT TURNED ON.... Never heard exactly WHY...Probably another one of their famous UNSCHEDULED maintenance.....Thank G-d, it has finally cooled down today...
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urbanartifacts
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posted on June 1, 2001 11:10:44 AM new
KRS, This just in on Mr. Bush and his visit. You're not alone on this one. Check out these two quotes:
"You can't totally screw them over -- especially if they can drag the rest of the country into a recession." -- An unnamed Bush adviser on Bush's policies towards California, as quoted in the NY Daily News, 5/28/01
"Any reasonable definition of presidential leadership would include concern for the health, safety and economic vitality of the nation's largest state. Mr. Bush was content to list the inadequate steps his administration has already taken, while flatly rejecting Governor Davis's pleas for short- term price relief. He was rather testy about it, too." -- New York Times editorial, 6/1/01
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Linda_K
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posted on June 1, 2001 11:58:29 AM new
From the California State Auditors report of 3-2001 (URL below) The fact that deregulation has failed to work is the result not of any single factor
http://www.bsa.ca.gov/bsa/summaries/20001341.html
[i]The Over the past year, a number of such forces exacerbated the State's electricity situation, including a growth in demand for electrical power that far outstripped the growth in supply and the increased costs for meeting air quality emissions requirements. Moreover, few new plants have been built in the western region in general in the last decade, despite the fact that growth in population and industry has increased the demand for electricity throughout the region
[ edited by Linda_K on Jun 1, 2001 12:07 PM ]
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urbanartifacts
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posted on June 1, 2001 12:07:01 PM new
Very clever however where is the next line in that same text?!? Well let's read on
This requirement established a structure that allowed-even encouraged-both buyers and sellers to use strategic bidding through the underscheduling of the demand for and supply of power in an effort to manipulate wholesale prices to their advantage.
Underscheduling involves deliberately underestimating the amount of power that will be needed or available the next day. Strategic bidding was one factor that significantly contributed to high wholesale energy prices, and the accompanying underscheduling has frequently pushed the ISO to operate in a crisis mode to secure enough electricity to avoid blackouts.
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Linda_K
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posted on June 1, 2001 12:27:11 PM new
urbanartifacts - Clever??? You think the state of CA auditors office is being clever? Or perhaps you believe that I was being clever by posting the whole URL of the report so anyone interested could read it. My post stated there were many contributing factors.
But when I read this report, I sure didn't see President Bush's name nor any name of any Texas energy zar being named as one of the causes. Do I feel some took great advantage of the loopholes that were there, sure.....but that's the way it always is in business. Make money.
I believe CA, being one of the first to vote for deregulation, has learned a hard lesson. Hopefully other states that were considering deregulation will learn from the mistakes (loopholes) made by CA.
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SNOwyegReT
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posted on June 1, 2001 12:43:14 PM new
Hi LindaK. Two of the big questions this raises for me are:
Where's the money going? The independant power producers (generators) can inflict capacity constraints with the amount of electricity they provide. The utilities (distributors) have to pay the IPPs' price.
Are the IPPs colluding to fix prices?
An analogy:
5 ebay sellers have an Essential item they produce. They sell on ebay, setting the wholesale price. Sometimes they sell a lot, sometimes just a little. The buyers then resell, but do have a cap much lower than the price they bought said item at. Wholesale price higher than retail.
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krs
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posted on June 1, 2001 01:37:58 PM new
Goes right here:
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0531-02.htm
Molly's so good they can't shut her up.
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krs
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posted on June 1, 2001 01:46:11 PM new
"But when I read this report, I sure didn't see President Bush's name nor any name of any Texas energy zar being named as one of the causes."
Sure you did. It mentions "abusers" several times.
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sNOWyegReT
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posted on June 1, 2001 01:50:48 PM new
My 5 sellers are E N R o N
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