posted on June 7, 2001 07:29:57 PM new
The only problem with solitary confinement is WE have to pay for it. The food, the medical expenses, the roof over heads. Homeless people who havent done any crime are worse off than some criminals with their tv sets and 3 meals a day. Castration also costs money. They have to have their pain pills and the hospital stay. More money out of our pockets. Not. Too bad the electric chair is no more. Or hanging.
posted on June 7, 2001 07:31:46 PM new
We have the gas chamber. Have you read The Chamber by John Grisham? I have been there. Very moving book for me.
T
posted on June 7, 2001 07:33:18 PM new
Any one ever watch the program "Crime and Punishment"? I saw it the other day. Two lowlifes got out of prison and went on a rape/torture/murder spree. They even taped the 5 young girls as they screamed and begged for mercy as they were tortured, and eventually wound up grunting and groaning like animals they were so reduced from pain and torture. Think I wouldnt blow their heads off if handed a gun and said "do it"? Think I would care if those two mens parents cried at their deaths? Think again.
Another show was of some texan men who kidnapped hitchhikers to work on their ranch. They tortured those young men with cattle prods, over and over and over. Same with them. Oh, and the perpetrator got 2 years. One guy was tortured TO DEATH and the guy got 2 years?
[ edited by hepburn on Jun 7, 2001 07:36 PM ]
posted on June 7, 2001 07:39:02 PM new
Whacking some guys weenie off I would NOT do. No, I would not torture someone for what they did to me or mine. That isnt in me. Pull a lever, yes. So in essence, you are right katyd. I do have some compassion. I dont want someone to feel pain, i.e. torture. I just want them to pay for what they did. At least the criminals feel no pain when they die. More than most victims got from them.
posted on June 7, 2001 07:43:02 PM new
I live approx. 60 mi. from Terre Haute and I know the first date that he was supposed to be executed all the area schools were going to be closed. At least now school is not in session, but still, it kinda gives me the creeps to think about going into a govt. building anytime soon around here. I used to be pro death penalty, but I keep questioning myself on this - after all, what we are doing to him is killing - the same as he did. Like we're saying to him, "Okay Tim, you killed and that's wrong, so now we're gonna kill you". I just don't know anymore what my stance is on this.
posted on June 7, 2001 07:51:10 PM new
Given a choice, and the victims could answer, what do you think they would choose if given the chance? Life behind bars forever, fed, clothed, tv, roof, or torture and excruciating pain with pliers, knives, hot pokers, needles, pins, bites, punches, eye gouging, etc. You get the idea, so I wont go into morbid detail further. THINKING of being put to death PAINLESSLY to tbe body is pain in the brain? Awww. Gee. I feel for them. NOT!
[ edited by hepburn on Jun 7, 2001 07:51 PM ]
posted on June 7, 2001 07:57:01 PM newThe only problem with solitary confinement is WE have to pay for it. The food, the medical expenses, the roof over heads.
Now you are touching on the #1 reason I have against the death penalty. From a cost standpoint solitary confinement for life is much cheaper. I believe it cost something like $6,000,000 to execute a prisoner, solitary confinement for life is a fraction of that.
I'm sure the web has the info somewhere. I forgot what the bill for solitary confinement was, under $200,000 thousand I believe, but the $6,000,000.00 was a figure that I couldn't help but remember.
posted on June 7, 2001 08:27:31 PM newHaven't we argued this before?
Without a doubt. How many people changed their opinion when it was all said and done?
posted on June 7, 2001 08:37:34 PM new
I sorta went off, didnt I? My apologies. I havent changed my mind, but I do want to say I didnt mean to rave on about it.
posted on June 7, 2001 08:42:49 PM new
The death penalty can't be undone, revenge won't bring back the loved ones. I can see no logical reason for it. I can safely say that I have no problem with a prisoner being locked up for life. The only exception would be if the victims were my wife or child, if that was the case I'd enter into a pact with the devil to be able to take my revenge which would be most a cruel and unusual punishment. Political correctness be damned.
The death penalty is also wrong from an economic standpoint.
The Finacial Cost of Death PenaltyIn Texas, a death penalty case costs taxpayers an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years.
A Deadly MistakeDeath penalty advocates often overlook the overwhelming cost to execute a prisoner. The public acknowledges the high expense of imprisonment, but mistakenly believes that an execution is much cheaper than life imprisonment. In a New York state poll, 72 percent support for the death penalty dropped to 56 percent when the persons polled were informed that the death penalty is more costly than life imprisonment
posted on June 7, 2001 08:57:57 PM new
(Seems every thread here ends up being about whacking off some guy's weenie.) No, I haven't changed my mind. It's revenge. So what? The family has a right to revenge. Those of you thousands of miles away who watched this event between mouthfuls of popcorn probably don't have the same perspective.
I do think it's unfortunate that once again the FBI ran roughshod over McVeigh's rights. They hid evidence, and now they're saying "nothing will prove him innocent." Oh yeah, ain't that America? The entire system is corrupt, which is why this can hardly be called "justice."
BTW, you're worried about cost? Drag him out and shoot him. Cost = $.10 cents.
posted on June 7, 2001 09:07:22 PM newOh yeah, ain't that America? The entire system is corrupt, which is why this can hardly be called "justice."
Let's see...you admit, wholeheartedly, in one breath that our system of justice is corrupt, and that the FBI trampled McVeigh's rights, then, in the next breath, you advocate killing him (anyway)?
posted on June 7, 2001 09:14:10 PM new
The gas chamber is HARDLY painless! From what I have read it is AWFUL.
There is chemical casteration. It blocks production of the harmones needed to..umm..preform the act. In essence it makes them useless. I can't say whether it is painless or not.
My intent in suggesting that was NOT to torture...but to remove any posibility that such as offenders as child molesters would have the ability to commit the crime again.
I know there are other ways to commit the crime, but this is supposed to remove any desire at all. I think with counseling and these extreme measures, total prevention could in cases be possible.
I remember one case where a rapist was given the option and elected casteration over the death penalty. I forget who that was.
There is another option where they wear a "sensor" and if the sensor goes off, they are contacted by authorities and their activities are monitored. Not sure they are still doing this but it was done at one time. Taking it off set it off as well.
Another slightly effective means of prevention is the sex offender registery. Have you checked your neighborhood? I have!
Trouble is that not enough people are aware of it/have access to it.
T
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