club1man
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posted on June 1, 2002 10:51:48 AM new
copied from paypalsucks.com
NoPayPal News!
PayPal's attorneys send threat email!
Quote:
We are intellectual property counsel to PayPal, Inc. of Palo Alto, California. As you are well aware, PayPal provides financial services under the PAYPAL name and service mark and owns and operates the website at . Our client's name, service mark and website are among its most valuable assets.
We have recently been made aware of your operation of two websites, and , that infringe our client's service mark rights in the PAYPAL mark. Printouts of your websites are attached to the confirmation copy of this letter. We further understand that these websites provide a forum to criticize PayPal, Inc. Our client respects your right to do so--provided your websites do not contain any false, disparaging or defamatory statements. We must remind you that any such statements contained on your websites are actionable and can subject you to liability.
Regardless of your purported mission, your use of our client's PAYPAL mark in connection with the operation of websites and in domain names constitutes trademark infringement. Quite simply, use of the PAYPAL mark in a commercial manner is not protected free speech. It is quite evident from your websites that you are profiting off of the PAYPAL mark by selling banner advertisements, offering competing financial services, and using your site to attract PayPal's customers for your own commercial gain. For such infringement, you can be held liable for monetary damages (tripled), an injunction and our client's attorneys' fees.
On behalf of our client, we must insist that you immediately cease all further use of the PAYPAL mark and transfer the domain names to our client. We further demand that you provide an accounting of the profits that you have received in connection with your operation of these websites.
Your swift and full cooperation would enable us to resolve this matter quickly and on an amicable basis. Please contact me as soon as possible, and no later than June 7, 2002, so that we may facilitate a prompt resolution of this matter.
Very truly yours,
Anthony J. Malutta
TOWNSEND and TOWNSEND and CREW LLP
Two Embarcadero Center, 8th Floor
San Francisco, CA 94111-3834
Tel: 415.576.0200
Fax: 415.576.0300
Email: [email protected]
www.townsend.com
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RSMSPORTSGA
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posted on June 1, 2002 12:29:04 PM new
clubman??...do you even have any auctions??...I have watched your threads posted on Auction Watch for the longest...and just wonder if you have time to run any auctions??...and what did you sell to begin with to even use Paypal??...I am not a paypal fan..persay...But we have been using them for 2 years and never had any trouble...I expect it could happen and will know what to do when it occurs because of all the postings here from various sellers...BUT WE TRANSFER OUR MONIES ALMOST DAILY...and do not deal with LARGE SUMS OF MONEY...I know we would not use PayPAL for large transactions...we have a visa/mc account at our store...Paypal is just easier for ebay customers and most are less than 50.00...and I dont have to answer the phone and take time with writing up sales slips, etc. Oh well...just wondered...you have posted a GAZALLION THREADS here and hope you have some release of resentment!!...GOOD LUCK!!!!
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club1man
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posted on June 1, 2002 12:55:48 PM new
Actually, I have only 291 posts in well over a yr. No I did not sell on the auctions, I had a gold business that paypal ruined due to the fact it was a payment service as well as an investment in gold. It's called e-gold--- www.e-gold.com . My Posts have been to warn people. I too transfered my money each day and sometimes more than once. But paypal came back months later and said some 71 credit card transactions were fraudulant. I proved many were not so. The post you see above is them threatening someone else. They seem to be good at that.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 2, 2002 01:13:00 AM new
I wonder how much of PayPals blood money was spent paying a lawyer to write that BS letter. LOL!!! They would probably get off cheaper just paying Damon minimum wage to type them.
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thchaser200
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posted on June 2, 2002 04:47:11 AM new
This will be interesting to see how this is played out.
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mrfoxy76
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posted on June 2, 2002 06:47:40 AM new
dealerjim i am sure paypaldemon has made sh*t loads from his paypal stock options!!!!
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stopwhining
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posted on June 2, 2002 06:49:04 AM new
it may play out to more legal fee for club1man.
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club1man
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posted on June 2, 2002 01:27:55 PM new
This is getting hard to keep up with, but Stopwhinning I don't own paypalsucks.com I wish I had thought of it first. So I don't think I'll incur any legal fees that way. My yacht has not been repo'd, I'm smart enough to legally protect my possessions.
Paypal has taken to threatening people who voice or publish opinions contrary to them. That's called "BULLYING" they did the same thing to the reporter who wrote the article about me in salon.com. Evidently they scared him enough that he got a court injunction so he would not have to appear as a witness at my hearing
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dealerjim
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posted on June 3, 2002 12:08:09 AM new
mrfoxy,
He probably needs it. I'm sure, judging by the way Damon handles problems, that they don't pay him very well. I wouldn't care either.
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paypaldamon
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posted on June 3, 2002 05:34:44 PM new
Hi dealerjim,
How would you like me to handle an issue you had with an individual seller? Your dispute is with the seller. PayPal is a payment service, which means we can't guarantee the INDIVIDUAL you are dealing with will come through as promised. Our User Agreement CLEARLY states that we can't guarantee recovery from a seller you are having a problem with.
Would you be complaining about the bank you wrote a check from if the seller didn't come through?
I don't think so. The payment medium isn't the problem.
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club1man
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posted on June 3, 2002 06:05:51 PM new
EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES. fACT IS ONLY PAYPONZI IS PROTECTED BY THEIR TERMS OF USE OF THE DAY.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 4, 2002 10:21:21 AM new
Damon said: (How would you like me to handle an issue you had with an individual seller?)
I already tried that route and I'm still walking funny 6 months later. Why these people look up to you I'll never know. You are simply an errand boy who CAN'T fix anything. The way your company treats its customers when they have a problem will eventually leave you without a job because your ridiculous company will hang itself. Then you can come work for me. I'll even give you a raise to $5.50 per hour. I hope your as good at cleaning swimming pools and mowing grass as you are at BS'ing PrayPals customers.
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paypaldamon
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posted on June 4, 2002 10:31:58 AM new
Hi dealerjim,
Your issue is with the seller. No payment service, or any payment medium for that matter, will guarantee that you will get what you ordered from an individual.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 4, 2002 10:59:04 AM new
If it weren't for you and your BS company harboring these so called "individuals" we wouldn't be having this conversation. Just because your company encourages fraud doesn't make it right. When you allow your customers to be defrauded you will lose those customers. I used my ex-PrayPal account many times unlike those 15 million dormant accounts you have. You allowed a new member to steal my money and I will never let you forget it.
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paypaldamon
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posted on June 4, 2002 11:09:56 AM new
Hi dealerjim,
The seller you are accusing of defrauding you could have taken your money if you sent a check/money order. The decision to cause an issue with you was done by an individual person not by any company. This person just happened to be a member of PayPal.
You do have potential avenues of recourse against someone that defrauded you. Did you report them to a law enforcement agency? Did you file for any applicable insurance offered at the web site you bought it from?
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club1man
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posted on June 4, 2002 11:56:59 AM new
This is how payponzi works with scammers. I notified them over a week ago through damon.
This is a paste from a news letter I recieve.
Laptop Matrix
There was a neat well-spammed idea that is going around that presents
itself as a straightline matrix which, supposedly when 80 people have
joined after you, you would get a free laptop computer. What it
actually is I think is 1 per 80 people meaning it could be a very long
time (a cold day in hades to be more accurate) before people except
those who were in from the start, will cycle. You don't of course know
that until after you've spent your $20, then get a look at the list,
ouch. Save it if you haven't spent it. better yet, if you want to blow
$20, at least send it to me and I'll put it to good use  If you want
to think the millions who frequent the net will give you a chance to
cycle, you can check it out http://www.tymglobal.com/laptop/
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dealerjim
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posted on June 4, 2002 01:58:44 PM new
((Did you report them to a law enforcement agency?))
I reported your fraudulent user to you and your corrupt company. You allowed your user to keep the money he stole from me. You were made aware that YOUR user had stolen my money and YOU chose not to do anything about it. YOU have this persons information and could've done something about it but chose not to, therefore you have chosen to lose me as a long time customer who has done a lot of business with your corrupt company and will no longer. I'm glad you don't need my business to make your company grow. Billpoint seems to value my business so I'll just pay them to do the job that PrayPal couldn't do.
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paypaldamon
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posted on June 4, 2002 02:18:55 PM new
Hi dealerjim,
And I did advise you that there are privacy concerns which do not allow me to release specific information. The same would apply to anyone trying to get information on your account.
All we could conclude? That you apparently had an issue with the seller. Our User Agreement does specify that we can't guarantee recovery from the individual you are having an issue with. If it is an issue of fraud, the ruling of fraud could only come from a law enforcement agency.
Where was the purchase from? Was it another site? Is that site responsible for the actions of the individual party? Why aren't you blaming them as well?
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dealerjim
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posted on June 4, 2002 02:53:22 PM new
The purchase was from one of PrayPals fraudulent users. You know, the one who your corrupt company supposedly checked out before you let him start stealing everyones money. You allowed this person to steal money from 10+ people and are protecting him. Can't you get it through your head? People like this cost you customers and you just stand there picking your nose and let them do it. I used to work in a pawn shop and when people would come in and find something that was stolen from them we would call the police and help the customer get their items back. PrayPal just turns their head to fraud and in return costs them customers. You don't care one bit that one of your members stole my money. Not at all. If so you would've done something about it. If I had paid for my purchase with a credit card and not my balance, PrayPal would be eating the $100 and not me. I bet you would've went after the SOB then, wouldn't you? You and your company SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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RSMSPORTSGA
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posted on June 4, 2002 05:43:14 PM new
DANG DAMON...GIVE THIS MAN HIS 100 BUCKS...GEEZE..HE IS GONNA HAVE A CORONARY...
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dodobird
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posted on June 4, 2002 06:09:49 PM new
dealerjim,
do you have a website which tells how you are defrauded?
i assume this is on ebay,did you report to ebay and file for insurance??
is this seller still selling?is there any way to contact the local police??
ebay should have the registration of this seller.
also all that energy you put into this issue ,you could have made up for your losses listing on ebay,just a suggestion!
when we buy from individual strangers,it is not like buying from MACY or WALMART,i hope you are mature enought to know the difference.
do you ever for one moment ask why you buy from dealer XYZ instead of going to an established brick and mortar store ??
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club1man
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posted on June 4, 2002 06:28:03 PM new
Dodobird
Jim is probably like alot of us we trusted people, moreover we trusted the company we did business with. His case is different than mine. He trusted payponzi to protect him(as they said they would) with the "buyer protection program". I trusted payponzi to protect me (as they said they would) under the "sell protection program". The bottom line is payponzi protects no one but thieves scammers and first and formost themselves.
They will spend your money and others in any way to justify their criminal activities.
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dealerjim
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posted on June 5, 2002 12:30:54 PM new
dodobird,
I did use the insurance and got back all but $25 (the deductable) I am just so extremely pi$$ed at the way PrayPal handled the whole fiasco. I am the kind of person who holds a grudge for a very long time and when I'm mistreated by a company who made a lot of money off of me, I will let the world know.
RSMSPORTSGA,
The money wasn't the issue here. I wouldn't take a dime from PrayPal now. I was treated like I was the criminal in my case. The seller scammed 10+ people all of who complained to PrayPal with no avail. If you were PrayPal, how many complaints against the same seller would it take before you realized this guy is stealing from my regular valuable customers and do something about it. PrayPal let this guy get away with over $2500 of other peoples money and did absolutely nothing to stop it. I did over $20,000 worth of business with PrayPal in the 2 years I dealt with them. I'm sure they were glad to see me go (with millions of other screwees waiting to lose their money) I have nothing good to say about PrayPal whatsoever. It's just the principle in my case. They were wrong and lost a good customer by protecting a criminal.
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