bhearsch
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:00:56 PM new
I hope this hasn't been posted on AW yet.
From the eBay Announcement Board
*** Selling Requirement for New Sellers***
Starting this week, the requirements for new sellers to sell on eBay.com will change. eBay will require a credit/debit card and bank account information to create a seller's account. This change will help ensure that:
*Sellers are of a legal age;
*Sellers are serious about listing an item at eBay;
*Buyers are further protected from fraudulent sellers.
This information is protected by the industry standard SSL encryption and is kept confidential in accordance with eBay's Privacy Policy.
Alternatively, new sellers who cannot or do not wish to provide a credit/debit card and bank account may go through ID Verify to establish proof of identity.
This change will not apply to current sellers, only to members who set up a Seller's Account on June 13, 2001 or later. This change will apply only to selling on the eBay.com site.
We believe this policy will provide many benefits to the eBay community. We thank you for your support in creating a safe online buying experience.
Regards,
eBay
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When you register for a new account you will see this:
quote:
You will automatically be registered to accept credit cards or electronic checks through eBay Online Payments by Billpoint. Billpoint will deposit payments directly into your checking account. Registration is FREE! The information you entered above will be sent to Billpoint to create your account and is kept in accordance with Billpoint's Privacy Policy.
{checkbox} I do not want to register for eBay Online Payments by Billpoint.
END QUOTE
Nothing like pushing BillPoint. 
Blanche
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amy
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:15:57 PM new
Well, having to give your bank account and credit card in order to sell will help cut down on the scamming sellers from being NARUed and then resigning up.
Look for the silver lining 
Spelling!
[ edited by amy on Jun 13, 2001 05:17 PM ]
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naru
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:23:46 PM new
Where are the new requirements for New Bidders? Such as eBay will call you when ou enroll to verify that there is actually someone behind the bids instead of torturing our sellers with B**&&& bidders who don't intend to ever contact the seller or pay after the auction ends.
Case in point, zero feedback bidder currently has $25,000 in closed auctions joined june 3
and sellers are being not contacted in droves. Yes he bid and won 2 of my auctions, though thankfully not the $13,000 one.
AAAUUUGHHH.
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julesy
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:33:50 PM new
Whoa...they automatically send your info to Billpoint, and you have to opt-out of their enrollment?
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bhearsch
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posted on June 13, 2001 05:52:13 PM new
Julsey, YES!! They just don't get it. The BillPoint option should be OPT IN instead of OPT OUT. That's the part of these new seller requirements that I don't like. I guess eBay hasn't really learned anything from the Spam recommendation emails.
Blanche
[ edited by bhearsch on Jun 13, 2001 05:55 PM ]
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airguy
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posted on June 13, 2001 06:13:10 PM new
probably has something to do with the email that people were talking about a few weeks ago where ebay will start processing the sale of the item and there was something about it being free.
Soon I would guess that ebay will collect all the monies, deduct their fees, and if you have actually made anything after their fees they will send you what you have coming. sounds a bit like communism where you work for the good of the country, or aaa I mean ebay.
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amy
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posted on June 13, 2001 06:25:59 PM new
From reading the announcement and the posts on another online chat board, there doesn't seem to be any requirement that the seller must accept billpoint payments just that they set up a billpoint account by giving their bank account info.
So the person who doesn't want to accept billpoint just leaves that option out of their auction listings...simple
[ edited by amy on Jun 13, 2001 06:28 PM ]
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twinsoft
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posted on June 13, 2001 07:42:59 PM new
Well, the bit about Billpoint is kind of surprising, or should I say not surprising. But requiring identification from sellers has got to be a good thing.
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twinsoft
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posted on June 13, 2001 07:47:03 PM new
Amy, eBay will tinker with your preferences, eh?
'Kind of reminds me of a "bug" with an earlier version of Mr. Lister. The second item would automatically be checked as Featured, and the seller was billed $100. LOL Where do they come up with these ideas?
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Online Auction Sellers Cooperative
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amy
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posted on June 13, 2001 07:53:10 PM new
Twin, you can see ebay as evil incarnate out only to scr*w people if you want. I think ebay is more concerned with running a successful business than trying to be the melodrama villian dreaming up ways to "get" their customers.
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zymo
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posted on June 13, 2001 08:21:31 PM new
bump
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twinsoft
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posted on June 13, 2001 08:35:51 PM new
Oh, my. I think my halo is slipping! I like the new storefronts, I have said that. And also that Seller Verify is a good idea. I said that too. I calls 'em as I sees 'em. There are also a few criticisms ... maybe I should start a new thread?!
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Online Auction Sellers Cooperative
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on June 13, 2001 08:53:18 PM new
amzn is doing it now on marketplace ,all market place sellers will use one click payment.
so ebay is moving in that direction,this will cut down on deadbeats,for the sellers,less stolen money orders/checks/cash and less trips to the post office,banks.
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bhearsch
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posted on June 13, 2001 09:08:08 PM new
Hi amy. I think the new requirements for new sellers is a good thing and I don't have a problem with it. I do have a problem with things being shoved down my throat and that's the feeling I've been getting lately with some of eBay's rule and policy changes. I'm also an AVID privacy and security advocate and those considerations always come first for me when I'm evaluating whether or not to do business with a company. I realize that my views aren't the norm among the eBay sellers but I'm not going to change them. 
The default OPT OUT is one of my pet peeves and I always get the impression when I see this setting that someone is trying to trick me. I just think it's sleazy. If you have a good product and can advertise it like eBay does with BillPoint on it's site, EOA notices, etc. then you shouldn't have to set the default to OPT OUT to try to force folks to use your product. It can actually have the opposite effect. End of rant.
BTW, I also heard that BillPoint is a requirement for a storefront. You can take other credit cards or other online payments but you have to include BillPoint as one of your choices.
Blanche
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hwahwahwahwa
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posted on June 14, 2001 07:13:09 AM new
why are some sellers so negative on billpoint?
billpoint is set up to facilitate e commerce,of course the more people who use the service,the more reasonable will be the cost .
yahoo offers paymentech which is not as integrated as billpoint or one click amzn,to view if the charges have cleared and deposited in your bank account,you have to go to a service called monetta,there are often finger pointing among yahoo,paymentech and monetta when transactions do not show up.
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bhearsch
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posted on June 14, 2001 08:28:47 AM new
Hi hwa. I'm not negative about BillPoint per se or PayPal or any other online payment methods. What I don't like is being forced to use any of these services for MY BUSINESS. Since it is MY BUSINESS, I prefer to determine the payment choices myself.
I also find the marketing tactics of these companies to be abhorrent.
Blanche
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capotasto
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posted on June 14, 2001 09:11:47 AM new
"Billpoint will deposit payments directly into your checking account. Registration is FREE!"
Free? Why don't sleazebay tell you the whole story?
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mrlatenite
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posted on June 14, 2001 09:30:22 AM new
I will NOT be forced to accept credit card payments by ANYONE. I am NOT going to risk sleazy buyers from doing unwarranted chargebacks for no reason. This is why I dropped PayPal (one of the reasons) and why I have NEVER signed up for BillPoint.
Yes, the service is a great thing, but it's NOT worth the headaches of fraudulent chargebacks.
And side issue: When is the day comming that at least SOME of the fees of these "buyer convience" be allowed to be passed to the buyer DIRECTLY???
I for one, as a small buyer, would GLADLY pay 50 to 75 cents to submit online payments. It saves me the 34 cent stamp, 2 cent security envelope, 1 cent piece of paper, 10 cents of ink, and the time to print out and write a check (or worse--drive to get a money order for 25-29 cents!)... If we could pass on these fees then I'd reconsider BillPoint or others.
I do applaud requiring sellers to show somewhat better "proof of identity". That will keep the bad ones from comming back....at least as easily... (Nothing will prevent a true scammer, but the smaller ones will be stopped). [Now if I only could get them to remove my 1 neg from a 12 year old who refused to pay and admitted it in the feedback]
Now if I could only get the guy kicked off for constantly selling photocopies of game manuals and vcr tapes (admits in his listing and has 15+ negs and neutrals from complaining buyers).. eBay refuses to do anything with any request I send. [I was almost lured into his auction until I looked at feedback and previous items and read the descriptions more carefully].
Why wont they do anything to that guy, but the guy that sells batteries for cameras they will kill them and threaten to suspend him for saying which brands of camera they work in????
[ edited by mrlatenite on Jun 14, 2001 09:33 AM ]
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amy
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posted on June 14, 2001 09:32:55 AM new
Blanche...opt in is the way to go for most things but I think in this case opt out is better. If ebay is trying to verify its users in order to provide a safe trading platform then it can't be optional. They are giving the new seller two choices...either they give a credit card and bank acount info or they get verified through equifax.
The seller who chooses to go the bank account route will be signed up with billpoint but does not have to offer it as a payment option This means ebay is not forcing the seller to use the service and the seller is still able to conduct his business as he sees fit.
Second, this is not retroactive to sellers who are already registered, only new sellers. If those new sellers are concerned with privacy issues then they can opt out of even using the services of ebay and just not sign up.
Even though we as business people have a right to run our business as we see fit, so does ebay. They have decided they need to preserve the integrity of their business and have chosen this way to do it.
If it were mandatory that anyone who wants to do business on the net HAD to do it on ebay then I could see the validity of your complaint. But we have the CHOICE to utilize ebay's services or not. If ebay were to decide that everyone had to offer billpoint then we can choose not to continue selling on ebay's site.
Although I don't think credit cards, bank account info or verification through equifax will stop the serious scammer, as long as ebay cross checks new users with the information on prior users who have been NARUed there will be some reduction of the bad eggs who prey on the ebay buyer.
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tiggressoflove
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posted on June 14, 2001 10:06:50 AM new
According to ebay's verification system with equifax, I do not exist. I am not a real person and my phone # doesn't match my address. My dad wasn't able to be verified either because even though he's lived in the same residence for the past 13 years with the same phone number, ebay/equifax says "phone number does not match address."
If ebay were to require this verification on everyone, I would not be able to participate on ebay. I do not think this is fair, and it makes me wonder how many people don't exist according to ebay/equifax.
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toke
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posted on June 14, 2001 11:36:51 AM new
I've never used (and don't want to use) Billpoint. So I have a question.
If a seller is registered, but doesn't offer Billpoint...and a buyer uses it anyway...wouldn't the seller be stuck with it? With this auto-deposit business?
It seems apparent that buyers do this sort of thing regularly with PayPal, at least. Could they also do it with Billpoint, or is it impossible somehow?
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amy
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posted on June 14, 2001 12:00:14 PM new
Toke..I don't think it is possible. Here's why.
A buyer CAN automatically pay for a billpoint item at the end of the auction without the seller sending an invoice but only if the seller listed the auction with the instant payment option. When listing the seller checks off the box for billpoint instant purchase, fills in the boxes for the shipping amount and for the sales tax (percentage and in which state). The buyer can then click on the instant payment button when the auction ends and get the pre-filled out invoice.
If the seller does not include instant payment in the auction listing, the buyer must request an invoice from the seller. If the seller did not mention billpoint as an option for payment all the seller has to do is tell the customer billpoint is not an option on this auction.
This is one reason why I like billpoint better than paypal...I choose whether the customer can send me a payment by a method I may not accept. Billpoint does suggest the buyer can ASK the seller if they would be willing to accept billpoint but the buyer cannot take it upon himself to pay with billpoint unless the seller agrees.
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toke
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posted on June 14, 2001 12:06:12 PM new
Thanks, Amy...
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MrBusinessMan
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posted on June 14, 2001 12:42:54 PM new
[Now if I only could get them to remove my 1 neg from a 12 year old who refused to pay and admitted it in the feedback].
If you can prove to SafeHarbor that the bidder was a minor they WILL remove the neg, no questions asked. I had a neg removed simply by forwarding an email from the bidder to SafeHarbor in which he admitted to being 15 years old. The neg was removed in less than 2 days.
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DrTrooth
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posted on June 14, 2001 01:33:34 PM new
Re: User Verification via Equifax. I have a very close friend who does not have a credit card, no credit history whatsoever. [they have not been under a rock, but live with a woman and have not had the need]. BUT....this guy wanted to sell at Ebay and though the initial request to be verified by Equifax, it was accomplished through persistent emails & phone calls. Keep trying!
Dr. Trooth
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ed123
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posted on June 14, 2001 04:32:33 PM new
This is bad. NOt all NARU are for scammers. Many are, and it's good to make it so they cant come back. However, a great # of NARU are from people with perfect (and often high) levels of feedback (many with NO Negs) who are "found guilty" of violating ebay procedeural policies. These reps that issue the citations are college students who are usualy tipped off by competitors. Stuff like wrong catagory, or fake vero charges, or listing violations. THey use a strict 3 strikes and your out NARU. It's next to impossible to appeal these decisions. This new rule makes it nearly impossible for legal sellers who are unfortunate enough to sell products that have immature competitors selling them also are SOL by this rule
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uaru
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posted on June 14, 2001 06:54:06 PM new
Amy Well, having to give your bank account and credit card in order to sell will help cut down on the scamming sellers
That is true, but how does eBay verify that the bank account given belongs to the seller? With any other services the bank account info isn't valid until the seller can confirm that the info was genuine by either confirming deposits made to that account or sending a voided check.
The credit card requirement isn't new, so I think the only thing that eBay is doing is requiring new sellers to apply for BillPoint which will be on their auctions by default.
I'm not crazy about eBay's methods, but they own the sandbox. I just don't want them trying to tell me that the bank account info is for 'added security', because unless eBay confirms it in some mannner their excuse is less than sincere.
[ edited by uaru on Jun 14, 2001 06:55 PM ]
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on June 14, 2001 07:03:22 PM new
Huh...howcome the double-mangled posts??
Anyway, "deleting" this one....
[ edited by Crystalline_Sliver on Jun 14, 2001 07:04 PM ]
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Crystalline_Sliver
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posted on June 14, 2001 07:03:52 PM new
I'm going out on a limb here, but ebay probably scared off a whole lotta new "legit" revenue streams in the future with this new policy.
Of course, that's my opinion, I could be wrong.
:\\\\\\\"Crystalline Sliver cannot be the target of spells or abilities.
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