posted on November 20, 2002 01:13:10 PM new
Okay.
I've listened to you about NOT posting a NEG for a DeadBeat.
I'm having a hard time here.
Would you be able to control yourself & NOT post a neg in this situation?
If so, please rationalize it for me before I do something I will regret (the retaliation is sure to hit me!)
7 day auction ends.
EOA sent upon close.
Three days later, I receive THREE copies of this e-mail as a reply to EOA:
please send hip measurements on the medium i have
asked for this throughout the auction with no response
have u been away????
I did not hear from this bidder regarding questions during the auction
My response:
Hi!
Thank you for your inquiry!
I haven't been away ~ been dreaming about it, though
This is the FIRST e-mail I have received from you! Not sure why ~ I have had no problem receiving lotsa mail!
The hip measurement is approx 34"
(depending on where your actual waist is! I measured just under the rivets, lying flat)
Hope this helps!
thanks again ~
val
Yes, too nice for AFTER the auction but why beat a dead horse?
I sent a second response to e-mail #2, ignored duplication #3.
She replies:
well i think it will be too small and would of retracted my bid if you had answered but it became too late and the bid retraction wouldnt work....... so ill ask you once more and try to see if theres hope for me
to buy it as i have a similar shirt i can compare it to lying flat under the last button or rivet what does it measure across...... just on top..... ill
double it........... do you have a large ?????? if this is too small for me im not going to purchase it as i had no answer to this important measurement and time ran out........ i really want the skirt and have
no intentions on bailing but i needed the info to correct my decsion to bid i truely have been asking for a week now and under different account names with no response. thanks merry
WELL!
(1) doubtful any inquiry was ever sent BUT
(2)Why bid if you needed info?
(3)Why not retract (has retracted 9 bids in past mo)
(4)She has a similar sHirt? auction is for a sKirt. typo?
(5)you had no answer to important measurement. You bid $70 before you knew if it would fit?
(6)correct your decision to bid?
what does THAT mean?
I could go on but you get the point!
My reply was a bit terse:
Thank you for your e-mail.
As stated previously, no e-mails had been received during this auction, the only mail I received was AFTER you had won.
A bid is a binding contract, as stated in the terms of your eBay agreement. As stated in my auctions, the time for questions is PRIOR to bidding.
If you do not plan on completing this auction, please let me know so I can file for a refund of my fees and relist the item.
Regards,
val
so.....
I am at my 'puter, trying to type while sitting on my hands.
How could you NOT neg this bidder?
eeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!1
posted on November 20, 2002 01:27:23 PM new
Sounds like she is just looking for an excuse.
I would not waste anymore time on her. The b.s. over the phoney emails etc.
File for your fees when you can and also let ebay know about all the retractions.
posted on November 20, 2002 01:27:27 PM new
LOL
very cute, stanleymu!
I always neg deadbeats but I'm trying to refrain when the retaliation is too obvious!
If I NEG her, I'm 99% sure she'll bop me back.
With her retraction history, maybe she has done this to other sellers as well.
I can wait to file for fees, hoping it's her third strike and then ZAP the neg on there.
The Anticipation may destroy me, though
posted on November 20, 2002 01:32:18 PM new
Hi trai!
She sent me an 'ask bidder a question' about a similar skirt (szL) from her other id just a few moments ago.
(one addy ends in 'dog', the second in 'doggie, both at yahoo).
Not too tough to figure out who that other ID is! Shaded bidder with 4 fb.
We think alike ~
BOTH id's have been blocked from ALL 3 of my selling id's!
time to block the e-mails or should I give her the chance to pay?
TIA
oops:changed 'ho' to 'who'.
interesting mistake, though!
[ edited by zoomin on Nov 20, 2002 01:35 PM ]
posted on November 20, 2002 01:47:11 PM new
Warn other ebay sellers about this flaky seller via the feedback you leave. Isn't that the whole point of the feedback system?
posted on November 20, 2002 01:51:56 PM new
I had a bidder do something similar. She had (0) feedback and sunglasses and bid HIGH! Right after the auction ended she asked me to cancel her bid because the item was too short~AFTER the auction! I gave her a negative that read something like this:
"Didn't ask ?'s prior to bid. Wanted to cancel bid AFTER auc. ended. Refuses to pay."
If you are really worried about a retailiatory negative, wait 89 days and leave feedback at the last minute (you can only leave the feedback within 90 days so slip it in). Hopefully she won't get back in time to tag one onto you! This is if she doesn't pay...
posted on November 20, 2002 01:52:25 PM new
I had a bidder do something similar. She had (0) feedback and sunglasses and bid HIGH! Right after the auction ended she asked me to cancel her bid because the item was too short~AFTER the auction! I gave her a negative that read something like this:
"Didn't ask ?'s prior to bid. Wanted to cancel bid AFTER auc. ended. Refuses to pay."
If you are really worried about a retailiatory negative, wait 89 days and leave feedback at the last minute (you can only leave the feedback within 90 days so slip it in). Hopefully she won't get back in time to tag one onto you! This is if she doesn't pay...
posted on November 20, 2002 02:01:22 PM new
Hi ToolTimes!
That is EXACTLY why I post negs ~ to warn other sellers.
Just trying to sit on my hands while I wait to file for fees.
4 days til I can file NPB, then 10 more, post NEG, immediately file FVF.
I like when the bidder becomes NARU before they can ZAP me back!
Hi WendyWins!
On non-hazardous bidders, I wait the 89 days until I neg.
I don't think I would feel right letting this one go for so long ~
I need to warn other sellers NOW rather than 9 months from now.
I think I'm going to try for the damage control route and wait at least a few days!
(who will cook dinner if I'm sitting on my hands??)
posted on November 20, 2002 02:34:59 PM new
Remember the FVF is what gets them kicked off ebay if they have 3, negative feedback won't do that. If they have enough positive feedback, it's not going to help other sellers much unless people have the time to look at their bidder's feedback history. I don't.
posted on November 20, 2002 02:57:12 PM newRemember the FVF is what gets them kicked off ebay if they have 3, negative feedback won't do that. If they have enough positive feedback, it's not going to help other sellers much unless people have the time to look at their bidder's feedback history. I don't.
Do both! File the NPB and leave the negative. Give the other sellers a warning until the third final NPB kicks the bad seller off.
posted on November 20, 2002 03:26:17 PM new
When I file for FVF, I always leave the NEG two seconds prior.
why?
Hopefully the FVF will NARU them, if it doesn't, the NEG warns other sellers and I sit waiting for the retaliation ~
guess I like to live on the edge!
I'm waiting on a 'turning 90 day' FB right now, ready to neg a nicer than usual bidder who backed out (not a newbie).
Straight out non-responsive deadbeats get their neg the way I stated above:
Filed NPB, wait 10 days, zap the neg, file FVF.
Seems to work for me ~
I've negged over 300 & got zapped back by only about 10.
posted on November 20, 2002 09:32:20 PM new
Look at the feedback she left.(go to her feedback page and click the "feedback about others" link)
If they leave a lot of negative then you will most likely get one in return but if they don't bother retaliating then you might be safe if you neg her.
posted on November 20, 2002 10:21:06 PM new
I'm batting .500 for tonight. I filed 2 FVF's about 15 minutes ago. For one of them, it was her third and as soon as I hit the submit button, she was NARU. Negative feedback only benefits sellers if they are dealing with a bidder who doesn't snipe. FVF is the only way to get rid of deadbeats.
The light at the end of the tunnel will turn out to be an oncoming train.
posted on November 20, 2002 11:17:40 PM new
Leaving negs does not warn other sellers, very few sellers look at a bidders FB, I never do. If a buyer turns out to be a NPB a seller might look then, but it's too late.
She has screwed you once & if you neg her she will screw you again. She has nothing to loose, you do, your the seller.
I recently had someone NPB on 9 of my auctions, I filed for FVF, but didn't neg, I don't want 9 negs on my FB from a creep like that & I know that's what would happen. Sure I was mad, but there is really nothing I could do about it, you can't force someone to pay. But, I wasn't as mad as I would be if I got 9 retaliatory negs. I can get over a NPB, but not those ugly bright red undeserved negatives, never.
When eBay blocks filed against NPB from leaving FB then I will do it, but not before, ever.
eBay does not protect sellers....Why?
posted on November 21, 2002 04:20:32 AM new
mcjane:
I don't understand why eBay allows NPB's to post FB for the seller.
It makes no sense to me.
I have done absolutely nothing wrong, yet any Loser can take potshots at my reputation.
I look at Bidders FB when things seem fishy to me.
I had even looked at hers!
The price got high too quickly compared to usual.
She had 30 fb, registered about a year. 1 neutral as a seller, 2 negs from 1 user for non-payment when she was a newbie.
I have since looked at the FB she leaves for others, only 4 have been posted.
About 6 mos ago, she posted THREE negs (2 retaliatories & 1 for a DB bidder). The only other FB she posted was a positive in October, totalling four all together.
Yes, sapington, she'll zap me for sure!
grrrrrrrrrrrr!
oh McJane, I am feeling so violated from all of this screwing!
posted on November 21, 2002 08:50:28 AM new
Occasionally I do check buyer's fb and will cancel buyer's bids who may be a problem. So it won't be a waste of your time to warn other sellers.
Why are you having a hard time leaving this buyer a neg? Give them a chance to send payment and if they don't pay they are a Deadbeat, so they deserve a neg. If they retaliate, put a note in there that this deadbeat is retalitating.
posted on November 21, 2002 11:29:10 AM new
Hi quickdraw29!
I'm having a hard time NOT leaving the neg YET based primarily on Damage Control & other sellers experience. I am trying to avoid getting slammed but WILL be leaving a neg.
I checked into her auctions won list ~ many sellers have not yet posted feedback for the items she has won in the past two weeks.
I wonder if she has backed out on them or if they are waiting for her to post first.
She got a new NEG today as a Seller (3 selling FB, 2 of which are neg).
Looks like she is on her way to NARU-ville from the closed auctions.
She is not particularly someone that belongs on eBay.
Got this e-mail today:
--may i please wait until you do get one in and then buy it?????? i really truely want the skirt but in the size that wil fit me?? thanks merry
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
I haven't responded.
She bid on & won a size M for which fees must be paid.
I do not have nor do I plan on receiving any more of this item.
and, NO, she cannot buy from me, this skirt in a large or any other item that I sell.
She is Blocked.
grrr.......
posted on November 23, 2002 06:09:31 AM new
I can understand the desire to not get any undeserved red marks in your feedback file...however, I see this as a cost of doing business, and do not hesitate. I file my NPB, then wait the time and file for my FVF refund. At that time I file the neg. If you receive a retaliatory neg, then calmly state as such in a business-like manner. Potential buyers WILL look at your feedback, and it will be clear what is going on with the negative if you respond professionally.
"Who's tending the bar? Sniping works up a thirst"
posted on November 24, 2002 05:54:37 AM new
I've found the retalitory Neg to be very Rare. I have probably left over 100 Negs in the past year all for Non-Paying Bidder. I have only recieved one Retalitory Neg out of that. If they don't pay do your part and warn others about this bidder.
We need to start calling this what it is "Bidder Fraud" instead of "Non-Paying Bidder". There is lots of Fruad on Ebay, very little of it is from the seller, most from the bidder.
posted on November 25, 2002 08:18:21 AM new
reminder 1:
her i think it will be too small and would of retracted my bid if you had answered but it became too late and the bid retraction wouldnt work
she had placed her bid 5 days prior to auction close
reminder 2:
me:Why not retract (has retracted 9 bids in past mo)
make that 10 under this ID plus an additional 6 under her similar ID
UPDATE:
Looking at her bid retraction history and use of the "bid retraction didn't work" excuse, I decided to report her to safe harbour for excessive use & misuse of the bid retraction tool on 11-20.
yippee
four days later and
she's NARU!
Sniping works up a thirst"