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posted on November 2, 2003 09:06:33 AM new
Okay, in addition to being weak when some nasty bidder who spends too much time with llamas threatens me -- I have a serious deficiency in botany...
Can anyone make a suggestion of what these flowers might be? They're found on 2 Noritake bowls from around 1911 (thanks to Sanmar who has expanded my ability to date Noritake).
Thanks for your help and guidance - as always.
Wayne
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toasted36
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posted on November 2, 2003 09:33:07 AM new
The Small Flowers have a Ming Tree Design with Blue and Orange enamal Flowers just like this cake plate I just sold http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2667776922&category=2800&rd=1 the Large Flower Is unknown to me
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Roadsmith
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posted on November 2, 2003 10:32:49 AM new
Peony?
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TheFamilyBiz
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posted on November 2, 2003 10:34:37 AM new
Roadsmith - That's what my wife said -- but since she thinks just about every flower is a peone - I discounted that... but now you've got me wondering...
Thanks for the input.
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noh2
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posted on November 2, 2003 10:59:35 AM new
i think it is peony,i have seen this on a zillion japanese kimonos and vases and god knows what.
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rarriffle
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posted on November 2, 2003 12:08:35 PM new
I have read that they use squash blossoms a great deal, could this be them? With the vining as a clue?
just a thought.
a very beautiful bowl.
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photosensitive
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posted on November 2, 2003 01:45:58 PM new
Don't think it is squash, at least I never had a squash plant produce a multi layer flower like that. I vote for peony although I have seen some oriental designs where all kinds of flowers have been called chrysanthemums that did not look like chrysanthemums to me. The small flowers on the branch are maybe apple or plum?
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TheFamilyBiz
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posted on November 2, 2003 01:47:53 PM new
Boy, I'm gonna owe my wife big time on this one! She said peony and chrysanthemum and I thought she was all wet -- guess I ought to listen and trust her judgement a bit more, huh?
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paloma91
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posted on November 2, 2003 01:56:30 PM new
It's not a squash blossom. I think it's a chrysanthemum
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sanmar
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posted on November 2, 2003 03:24:03 PM new
Could it be hibiscus??
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wgm
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posted on November 2, 2003 03:38:05 PM new
that's what I was thinking, sanmar! It definitely looks like a hibiscus to me. Or it could be a camellia, but then again all the camellias I have seen have been pink...
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Japerton
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posted on November 2, 2003 10:13:08 PM new
It's not hibiscus. It's a 'mum (don't make me spell it!!!)
My Pan-Asian Shoppin' Mom has one of those in storage some where.
very pretty!
J
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neglus
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posted on November 3, 2003 05:28:37 AM new
For sure not hibiscus, not squash flower as they are, for the most part, single petalled.
I think this can't really be assigned botanically to any one flower - it is an artistic representation of a lovely flower. The leaves aren't right for mums or peonies. Probably better to list as "floral" rather than trying to be specific IMHO.
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wgm
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posted on November 3, 2003 05:31:49 AM new
look at this hibiscus...
and the one in the upper left corner...
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[ edited by wgm on Nov 3, 2003 05:33 AM ]
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noh2
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posted on November 3, 2003 08:15:42 AM new
hibiscus has that stem in the middle.
it may not be peony either as peony is larger,fuller.
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kiara
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posted on November 3, 2003 08:19:29 AM new
It's a pretty bowl and the flower looks most like a peony to me (could be a Japanese tree peony). Or possibly a hibiscus but most have the longer center stamen. Mums have a multitude of pointy petals so I don't think it's that.
The pic of the bowl looks upside down to me.
Beautiful hibiscus pics, wgm. I have two of the plants and just took them in for the winter. The blooms only last a day or so but they bloom for me almost all year round.
http://www.peonygarden.com/index.cfm
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noh2
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posted on November 3, 2003 08:46:55 AM new
they have tea flowers from trees where tea leaves are harvested.
burgerflipper,you go first!!!!!
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zircon4
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posted on November 3, 2003 08:48:53 AM new
It looks like a chrysanthemum to me especially with those leaves. Not that I know anything about china.
Regards,
Adrian
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