aintrichyet
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posted on March 21, 2004 12:12:10 PM new
I got this beautiful very old unmarked necklace at a tag sale this weekend ... any of you familiar with what the stones might be? ... milky green ones, and see-through opaque, almost opals maybe ... could the goldtone metal be real gold, or would it have to be marked as such ... any input into how I should present this wording would be much appreciated ... thanx, vd'ers ...
p.s. might be Victorian era, as I also got a couple of the definitely that era micromosaic pins in this lot ...
oops ... i'll get the right fotos in a couple minutes LOL ..
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Roadsmith
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posted on March 21, 2004 01:01:14 PM new
Not opals, for sure. Are the stones all in settings or glued in? Have you looked everywhere for a mark (gold, that is)? Sometimes the gold mark is very tiny.
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cta
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posted on March 21, 2004 01:09:28 PM new
I know nothing about jewelry, but if I were to make a guess as to what the stones were, I'd guess moonstones.
Is the clasp marked with anything indicating gold content?
Good luck with it. It's lovely!
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 21, 2004 01:13:04 PM new
It has a spring ring clasp so it wasn't made prior to 1900. The spring ring clasp was invented in the early 1900's. The chain doesn't look quite right to me, either. I'd say more like Victorian revival. Fluffy can probably best answer your question. Doesn't look antique to me, but that's just my opinion. Is it possible that the green stones are jade? The white stones are possibly moonstone, but it's hard to tell. Definately not opals. Lovely necklace.
Cheryl
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micmic66
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posted on March 21, 2004 01:28:34 PM new
aintrichyet,
What kind of Camera do ya use?? Brand and model#??
Thanks
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lorettab1
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posted on March 21, 2004 01:33:01 PM new
It's very attractive. I think the green stones may be CHRYSOPRASE (not real sure of the spelling) and the white ones do look alot like moonstone. If I saw it I'd bid on it (or snipe it!)
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aintrichyet
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posted on March 21, 2004 03:02:02 PM new
thank you everybody for all your input! ... computer is usurped from me for my youngun's school reports a lot today ... thanks cheryl, i thought maybe moonstone, but you taught me about the time period for springclasp ... the green stone loretta says chrysosomething? I need to look that up! ... mimic, camera is sony mavica fd-92 ... and speaking of micro mosaics, please see auction #http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2697537893&category=45405 and let me know if you know what "messing" is????
also, look at the WOW$$$'s at ended auction http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2695378597&category=45405 ....
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Libra63
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posted on March 21, 2004 03:20:38 PM new
Here is a great jewelry site courtesy of Cheryl from another thread.
Why don't you write the seller of the piece and ask her as I have been searching but can't find anything on "messing"
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/jewel/glossary/indexm.shtml
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stopwhining
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posted on March 21, 2004 03:41:21 PM new
they may both be synthetic stones.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on March 21, 2004 03:49:03 PM new
aintrichyet: Did you clean up this piece prior to photographing it?
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 21, 2004 05:03:18 PM new
aintrichyet
Love the snow in your last picture. We just got more here. You have to be in the northeast somewhere. I'm in Cleveland and although it's bitter here today, it will be 75 by Friday!
Cheryl
http://www.kcskorner.com
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aintrichyet
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posted on March 21, 2004 07:52:58 PM new
Fluffy: ... no have not cleaned this jewelry ... also notice some discoloring in the upper right hand chain area that is attached to the larger pendant part ...
Cheryl, yes! akron area ... too much snow here today ... 'they' say will warm up starting midweek, but with rain, rain, then more rain for the 'warmer' next weekend ... n.e. ohio - all kinds of weather, all year ... yes?
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earthmum
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posted on March 22, 2004 01:38:24 AM new
Looks like moonstone and chrysoprase to me. Aintrich, chrysoprase is a type of chalcedony and is very lovely. However, they could be glass. If you have a loupe, check them for bubbles - if they have 'em, they are glass. Whatever they are, the design is lovely and the necklace should do well. Call it a lavalier necklace.
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aintrichyet
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posted on March 22, 2004 04:27:31 AM new
Thank you earthmum ...
inre the "#http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2697537893&category=45405 and let me know if you know what "messing" is????" ...
I did go ahead this morning and write Question to Seller ... she replied 'Messing is BRASS. (Sorry, I should of course have written that. In Europe we use the word messing). Brass is the material that was used very often in Europe during the last centuries as the material in handicrafted jewelry.'
So, that is some new knowledge for us!
Weird thing was, in writing 'question to seller', the page ebay took me to has a very new 'look' to it, and all kinds of alerts and warnings to not do anything 'off ebay'; of course copy of it came to me too, and I now see why 'Question To Seller' emails have been looking different .... but the WEIRD part is, when she REPLIED to me, THE EVER PARANOID ebay entitled the Subject Line,
"Subject: Re: Spam Alert: Message from eBay Member" ... SHEESH!!!!
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CBlev65252
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posted on March 22, 2004 05:45:01 AM new
aintrichyet
Yet another way of eBay scaring the pants off of newbies to keep them from buying anything that isn't sold on eBay. Sheesh is right. "Warning, warning, Will Robinson" you might be able to make an off eBay sale. Good grief.
Edited to add: I guess in eBay's eyes they are the only "honest" venue out there. And, if you try to buy anything off of eBay you will surely get ripped off. Ya, we all know that to be true.
Also, I could be wrong (and fluffy, you will let me know won't you?) but I don't think gold discolors like that. At least none of the gold pieces I have do.
Cheryl
http://www.kcskorner.com
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stopwhining
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posted on March 22, 2004 05:57:01 AM new
how much you pay for the item will give you a good clue on how much it is worth??
most dealers know what they are selling,they dont give things away.
moonstone is popular in recent years due to its availability and affordability.
a lot of jewelry made in india has moonstone.
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earthmum
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posted on March 22, 2004 06:32:57 AM new
Hmm ... "messing" is a new one on me, and I am from the U.K. However, I am familiar with the type of jewelry shown and I think it is probably gold plated or washed brass, as the seller states. It is a very nice example of mosaic - unusual shape.
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fluffythewondercat
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posted on March 22, 2004 07:08:02 AM new
I vote for brass. Cheryl is right; that kind of discoloration is typical of brass. (You can sometimes clean it up by rubbing a bit of catsup on it.) Stones look glued-in.
The white stone doesn't look like moonstone to me. I like to see blue, pink or purple opalescence from moonstone; this round stone looks like glass.
Here's a piece of moonstone with blue and purple reflections.
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kiara
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posted on March 22, 2004 07:46:09 AM new
To me it looks like moonstone and chrysoprase which were used quite often in "costume" jewelry as they aren't expensive stones. The metal is most likely brass.
Moonstone is a feldspar and is opaque or translucent so can be almost colorless, or grayish, and can shimmer with blue, pink and yellow rainbow colors.
It was popular in the early part of the last century from the 20's to the 50's when they started to imitate it in plastic. It's been popular for over a decade now in sterling silver settings because it's very affordable.
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stopwhining
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posted on March 22, 2004 07:56:16 AM new
chrysophrase is not cheap anymore,the emerald green ones demand a good buck.
asians sell them as jade.
all the good chrysophrase i have seen is solid green.
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Roadsmith
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posted on March 22, 2004 09:38:00 AM new
Earthmum: What is "lavalier"?
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earthmum
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posted on March 22, 2004 04:17:32 PM new
Roadsmith: A lavalier is a pendant that is incorporated into a necklace, or one that hangs from a ring but has more than one component, such as a hanging pearl. And that word is a magnet for vintage jewelry collectors.
Fluffy: You have a lovely rainbow moonstone there. The vintage moonstones were not of the rainbow variety. If they are not glass, Aintrich's necklace does appear to be moonstone and chrysoprase. My comments about the "messing" refers to the auction the OP mentions after the first posting.
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aintrichyet
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posted on April 7, 2004 12:55:30 PM new
Just an update ... thanks for all your opinions and input ... paid $7 at the estate sale for it, and it sold buy-it-now for $100 overnite.
Ya like to wake up to your cup of coffee seeing that.
Wish all our sales went this way ...
but, that's why I
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stopwhining
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posted on April 7, 2004 01:24:00 PM new
wow,you are now rich!!
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aintrichyet
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posted on April 7, 2004 01:40:44 PM new
Nawwww, ain't rich yet.
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earthmum
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posted on April 7, 2004 02:53:51 PM new
Aintrich - that's great! Did you describe it as a lavalier? I love it when the "Hail Mary" BINs work out.
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aintrichyet
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posted on April 7, 2004 03:01:02 PM new
Earthmum: Aintrich - that's great! Did you describe it as a lavalier?
Indeed, I did. I had looked up on ebay that word "lavalier" and saw what it is you meant. and it certainly fit the description on that pretty old piece .... also, I did fluffy's ketchup treatment to try and rid the darkened tarnished area of the chain, and that didn't seem to work totally [only partially]... then i got out some mixture we have called "mr. metal" that cleans all metals, and that finished off the cleaning/brightening. ... all in all, good efforts on your and my parts ... thanks!!!
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