neglus
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posted on June 29, 2004 04:14:18 AM new
I obtained an unusual real photo postcard at a garage sale this weekend..I listed it last night with this title: "REAL PHOTO DEER CARCASSES @ MACKINAW CITY MI W/ BEAR" but I am not thrilled with the title - word "carcass" is kind of a turn off and probably not the right word for it...it looks like each deer has a tag and they are piled about 4-deep on what looks like 3 or 4 train baggage carts..WHAT ARE THEY CALLED?TIA...
At the same garage sale I got another real photo post card of 4 hunters - about the same vintage (1904-1918)...this one has a Canadian RPPC back. Is it possible that these are the hunters that got all those deer? I am listing separately but mention the other one as possibly related..I am obviously NOT A HUNTER and have no clue!
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stopwhining
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posted on June 29, 2004 05:02:59 AM new
you may want to do some research on the weapon,not the hunter.
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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alldings
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posted on June 29, 2004 05:03:29 AM new
Can't help with a title. Exploring a bit of the history of Mackinaw city and Mackinaw Island might help you. I would guess the photos are related. I would assume that many more hunters were involved in the hunt and these four had their photo taken.
The number of deer on the wagons all tagged, would suggest that this was a hunt designed to reduce the deer population on an island in the great lakes, possibly Mackinaw Island. I might also theorize that the baggage carts are waiting for a boat not a train.
Second theroy the deer may not have all been killed by the hunters. They could be carcasses of deer that died, possibly of starvation and the hunters shot those that were still alive and suffering.
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stopwhining
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posted on June 29, 2004 05:59:37 AM new
do i see a bear or a giant platypus??
how about titled it as- giant black/grizzly bear feasts on deer meat!!!!!!
-sig file -------we eat to live,not live to eat.
Benjamin Franklin
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meadowlark
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:17:59 AM new
Carcass does sound like it would be more grossly death-like to the sensitive viewer. I have hunted successfully in the past, but that term seems off.
Call it deer meat. That's what it was likely harvested for on that scale. Meat. Like cows.
The bear smelled it and saw it as a free buffet.
How about:
MACKINAW CITY MICH BEAR EATING DEER MEAT BEFORE TRANSPORT
Maybe too long. I forget how mant letters the title is limited to.
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iceicepenguin
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:47:39 AM new
These are very interesting!
I would list them with a hunting theme in the title as those are the people that would find these most interesting.
I would probably have listed these together, but now would definitely cross reference them in each listing.
I would title it something like....
Early 1900s Mackinaw Island Deer Hunters
and
Early 1900s Mackinaw Island Deer Hunt Take with Bear
Sounds more benign and will pick up the hunters with the keywords. I think these might be Whitetails so if you have room you might want to substitute Whitetail for Deer in the title.
Good luck!
ice
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meadowlark
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:55:32 AM new
Hey, I like penguin's better than mine...
Good luck
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Libra63
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posted on June 29, 2004 07:37:44 AM new
Unusual large Deer Kill Mackinaw City Michigan bear, depot
Use the last two as keywords.
The in the next one you don't know if it is the hunters so maybe say.
Early deer Hunters posing in hunting attire, guns, hats, boots
Something like that then in your description link the postcards together.
"While your here check my other Real Photo Postcard for Deer Hunters in their unusual hunting attire"
"While your here check my other Real Photo Post Card with deer, bear kill. In background depot. Card marked Mackinaw City, MI Michigan"
The one with the hunters I think they are holding shot guns so the two cards probably go together. The hats are something else and how they bend the brim. Nice cards and look to be in excellent shape. Good Luck with them.
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earthmum
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posted on June 29, 2004 07:54:59 AM new
Perhaps the guys with the guns are "Rough Rider" wannabees. Are you sure those are shotguns, or early carbines?
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neglus
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:03:40 AM new
Thanks for the input - I put the cards together with a caveat that I am not sure they are related and used this title: "2 REAL PHOTO MACKINAW CITY MI DEER HUNT TAKE W/ BEAR" ( http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2253946398
Whew! That was a lot of work! Should have just done it that way to begin with!
You might be right about the carbines earthmum - I know nothing about guns but that was the first thing my husband said when he saw the the hunter postcard (and now he's out of town on biz trip)...can you hunt with carbines?
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sparkz
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:37:23 AM new
The hunters that shot those deer would probably think of them as "Trophies", instead of carcasses.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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tomwiii
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:45:40 AM new
"Black Bear Busted in Bambi-Brigade Blood-Bath"
833
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Roadsmith
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posted on June 29, 2004 09:08:00 AM new
Tom: ROFL! You do have a way with words. . . .
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fenix03
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posted on June 29, 2004 09:18:04 AM new
It's a Venison Buffet
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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alldings
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posted on June 29, 2004 09:23:46 AM new
The guns are rifles military issue 30-40 Krags possibly 30-06 Springfields. The length would suggest they are not carbines.
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neglus
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posted on June 29, 2004 11:13:16 AM new
OOPS...maybe they don't belong together! Would one use those military rifles for hunting? Maybe its a WWI postcard and not hunting at all !
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meadowlark
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posted on June 29, 2004 11:39:12 AM new
Tom,
You are just too FUNNY!
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leads
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posted on June 29, 2004 04:01:57 PM new
How about the term slaughter house or meat processors, michigan as a key word, deer hunting would field a larger crowd also if you can identify the gun list it by the gun as a key word
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twig125silver
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posted on June 29, 2004 05:04:48 PM new
Somewhere, in the title or description, put RPPC (Real Photo Post Card). I collect these and look for RPPC.
I also believe identifying the rifles will add $ to your final bid.
I notice all of the heads I noticed had antlers, and nice racks at that! Which would tell me the boys were "trophy hunting". My husband and I both hunt. Most of the old-timers here will not shoot a doe as they belive they would be killing the next generation.
Tom- Love your warped sense of humor! I have a pretty dry sense myself...that can quickly get as bad as yours!
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Libra63
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:17:35 PM new
I was talking with someone about your cards and how unusual they were. They suggested maybe they had a tanning factory and made leather clothes. (wink)
I would think back then they could hunt with any kind of gun. Not many restrictions. Not even the orange clothes....
I wonder if the tilt on brim meant anything notice two hat brims are one way and one a different way, the other just straight.
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cblev65252
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:38:19 PM new
Maybe they are early Canadian Mounties. LOL! They sure look like they'd be right at home with Jed Clampet and his family. I don't know what to make of the deer. My grandparents once had a home on Mackinaw Island and the only thing I remember them talking about is not being able to have a car there. Since they are tagged, could it possibly have been some sort of population control program? It's a rather sad picture.
Cheryl
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sanmar
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posted on June 29, 2004 06:50:18 PM new
meadowlark, it is easy to see you are a deer hunter. No one calls it deer meat, it is venison. I have shot a few deer, but have never seen that many at one time.
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meadowlark
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posted on June 29, 2004 07:52:10 PM new
Sanmar,
I'd rather watch the deer these days and shoot with a camera. I proved I could bring my own food to the table. Not interested in it anymore. We sold our guns over 5 years ago.
That many deer shot at a time does seem rather too much. Like the decimation of some of America's bird species in the name of sport.
Yes, I know it's called venison, but not here in Texas, except on the gourmet cooking channel from somewhere else in the country!Everyone I've ever talked to here calls it "deer meat", "deer sausage", "deer roast", "deer burger' and so on. Venison is too "high falutin'" word for us all natural born Texicans!
Texas has a large deer herd that must be culled for the health of the rest of the herd, so I (inactively) support the right of those who wish to participate.
Last week, at my mom's lake house I saw two does which each had a set of twins. All four babies scampered up and down the hill across the lake for some time. Fun to watch.
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cblev65252
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posted on June 29, 2004 07:56:37 PM new
meadowlark
That must have been a sight to see! We were in Peninusula Ohio the other day riding bikes and caught sight of two fawn drinking in the canal. Near them sat the loveliest blue heron. What a sight to see them take flight!
Cheryl
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meadowlark
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:09:42 PM new
Cheryl, sounds like a beautiful day!
Patty
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iceicepenguin
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:17:36 PM new
It was probably an open hunt to thin the population. An island that size can only support so much wildlife that size. They do these type of hunts upstate New York every few years. The herds get too big and you find the deer dying of hunger.
That might explain the military issue rifles being used. Quick and expedient. No fancy stalking or tree sitting for these boys. Maybe they were even hired just to get the job done...
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neglus
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:28:05 PM new
Wow these are all interesting ideas! I just found a bit of information about Mackinac Island that said that they return any deer that happen to swim across to the mainland. Maybe they obliterated the native herd ??? I'm still looking ...
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neglus
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:36:01 PM new
WOW! I found a web page with nearly the same scene at the Mackinaw City Railroad Station..but not a RPPC. No explanation of what happened to the deer...and that scene is certainly NOT from the 1950's (that type of postcard dates from 1910-1920): http://www.michiganrailroads.com/RRHX/Stations/CountyStations/CheboyganStations/MackinawCityMI.htm
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OhMsLucy
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posted on June 29, 2004 08:48:05 PM new
That one says Scene at Opening Season. I wonder what that means? Almost sounds like it's a yearly event. They "harvest" the deer?
Lucy
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sparkz
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posted on June 29, 2004 09:17:21 PM new
My guess is that this is the total take of deer on opening day of hunting season. There is probably one hunter for every deer. Possibly that area was inaccessable to motor vehicles in those days and it was customary to transport them by train to an an area where the owner could claim them. I would be curious as to what those tags are, regular deer tags required by Fish & Game (which probably didn't exist in those days) or railroad baggage tags? The second picture could be a hunting party of four who happened to be close by when the first photo was taken and agreed to pose. In any event, be sure to list them in the sports> hunting category. It would be great if you could get a gunsmith or collector to positively i.d. the make and caliber of the rifles in the second photo and get that info in the title. If you know a member of the NRA, you might ask him to email a copy of them to their HQ. They might be able to help out.
A $75.00 solid state device will always blow first to protect a 25 cent fuse ~ Murphy's Law
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