nycyn
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posted on March 27, 2002 07:27:59 PM new
As some of you actually believe, my neighborhood fell down just over six months ago, thanks to whoever directed those planes into the WTC.
I (and a few million other people) haven't been quite the same since. And maybe more for me as I...oh never mind.
Anyway, life is hard and short and frankly I want to get the hell out of here. I am 46 and my son is 6. Someone told me the best place to live when it comes to nuclear power plants is West of one and so I think I want to live way west of one.
Meanwhhile, the gov is yanking info from the web, you know, to protect us. So where are these plants? Where are these radioactive waste dumps? Where can a gal live out her final years fishing in peace and raising a kid? In short.
Any ideas?
After this, there's nothing to lose. If it makes sense I'm going.
Cheers!
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plsmith
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posted on March 27, 2002 07:39:26 PM new
What, no pics? I'm disappointed...
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rawbunzel
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posted on March 27, 2002 08:16:46 PM new
Wyoming.
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nycyn
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posted on March 27, 2002 08:42:33 PM new
Sorry plsmith, I don't have male genitalia. So in order to not inconvenience you...
Click--poof!
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gravid
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posted on March 27, 2002 08:44:01 PM new
It is your patriotic duty to assume the risk your government asks you to share. Unless you are on the list to be wisked away to a bunker.
What if everyone looked for a safe place?
Think how that would damage the economy.
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nycyn
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posted on March 27, 2002 08:53:17 PM new
Gravid,
I've more than paid my dues. I've paid more dues than the average American. And I've paid my son's dues in advance.
Talk to me again when they demand some career fishing guide from the Finger Lakes come to NY and pick tissue out of dust, as an example.
Don't run your mouth unless you know who you are talking to. I don't mean that in a mean-spirited way; just a suggestion to try not to knee-jerk response to posts.
I earned my time to go years ago. I only recently recovered from the masochism that kept me here. Kids help you do that.
Regards.
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Borillar
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posted on March 27, 2002 10:36:43 PM new
Since the west coast is strewn with nuclear waste dumps sites and power plants, I suggest Fiji to do your fishing at.
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krs
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posted on March 27, 2002 11:49:13 PM new
Now I don't know about that. This country has treated the south seas islands with a careless disregard, and though the chances of one of them being targetted by any terrorist faction are slim the likelyhood of the US deciding to obliterate any of them is much larger than is generally acknowledged.
I would suggest antarctica, but it's only now being demonstrated that the minimalization of the warnings of the hazardous effect of global warming has not been without ulterior purpose. Bush has recently been successful in destroying a chunk of that continent larger than Rhode Island by the simple expedient of refusing to consider the Kyoto accords.
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gravid
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posted on March 28, 2002 03:36:31 AM new
My ugly sarcasm provoked exactly the reaction I wanted - better than anticipated. Sorry it was possible to take it at face value. Things have gotten so screwed up that it is almost impossible to parady the government. There's no further down side to explore...Kinda like TV preachers.
The winds are from the west and the ugly truth is that after it goes around the globe a few times we all share the same air. That is why you have industrial pollution in the Arctic and in remote mountain lakes. The most you can hope is not to be directly in the plume downwind of an "event".
We live near Fermi II and most of the time if it goes they will be getting the plume in Ontario but once in a while the wind is the other way. If you ask people around here what happened to Fermi I they don't know - which shows how managed the information is already. It is chronicled in the book "We Almost Lost Detroit". That's why I have $400 radiation monitor on my desk to tell me if the neighborhood gets HOT, because I know the plant will announce that - "Oh we had a release a couple days ago but it was nothing to worry about."
When driving to Toledo I took my monitor along and my friends riding with us made fun of it. However we drove right through the everyday plume from Fermi II as we rode South and the background count tripled as we passed directly downwind maybe two miles from the plant. They said but people live here! All upset. I told them - the regulators would just say it is no higher than if they moved to Denver.
[ edited by gravid on Mar 28, 2002 04:05 AM ]
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krs
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posted on March 28, 2002 04:17:55 AM new
I didn't think that your sarcasm was ugly.
It's all the little things that they ask us to ignore, isn't it? That most places are permeated by the results of the activities gathered under the progress umbrella is a normal thing, and as people's lives become accustomed to the effects of them it does begin to seem to be a norm. When an area is fraught with respiratory illnesses it's only a coincidence, and the rates of abberations and cancers will go up because there are more people-it's that simple don't you see? Oh, the record of safe operation is pretty goood overall, but mistakes will happen after all, it's only human. And the percentages of devastating effects is still really quite low,.......UNLESS YOU'RE ONE OF THEM, and then, well, it's sad, but you're swept right under the rug.
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gravid
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posted on March 28, 2002 04:37:30 AM new
Yeah - what are we going to call the effect? Creeping Reality?
Most people will assume risks in their life. I have known just a few who could not knowingly take a risk and their lives were a self made hell of denial and frustration. But people really don't like to be told that someone has exaimined a risk and decided they will take it for everyone. Much of the time these risks are not really shared by the elite - such as the members of Congress. They have private guards, special flights, special medical care, and exemption from laws and regulations they impose on us.
NYCYN from your opening line I must ask - are there people denying the towers came down??
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krs
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posted on March 28, 2002 05:32:13 AM new
You know, there's not very much information about the leak at FermiI. It's mentioned that an accident occurred while attempting a full power test, and that the result permanently damaged the reactor causing it to be mothballed. In looking around in the subject I'm finding several links which don't respond .
I was fascinated to find that there is a reactor at Antarctica, operated by Raytheon Corp. and administered under U.S. law. I couldn't help but wonder if an accident might have taken place there which brought about this recent breaking away of a gigantic piece of ice.
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gravid
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posted on March 28, 2002 07:17:23 AM new
They lost the whole core at Fermi I and the entire project was decommissioned. It would hav been way to dangerous to just let the partially melted core remain in confinement slowly corroding and subject to gaining criticality again if had some parts of it move. The control system was damaged so it was not able to insert control rods in all the area originally planned. So the shut down was not a stable symetrical action. There were various volumes in the core under or over damped and no long range model of what would happen. They did not have the robots they have now so in order to disassemble the core they "volunteered" military people to take it apart by hand.
President Carter was then a nuclear naval officer and he helped as did thousands of others.
They would fly a man in and show him polaroids of the area they would be working and in some cases train them on a mock up, and then they would work 20 minutes to a half-hour and absorb their limit of radiation and be flown back home. You can see that just paying for plane tickets and two stays in a hotel for a half-hour of work made it an extremely expensiver disassembly. If there was any confusion on the part of the worker or some slowdown like a stuck nut that would not back off then it occasionally happened that the person's whole time was wasted.
Since the core suffered a partial melt and was slumped out of shape it was really hard to disassemble.
So the cost of doing this was largely hidden by being spread out through the vast military budgets for transportation and labor.
It would be interesting to know the statistics how many of those men died early from the exposure.
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nycyn
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posted on March 28, 2002 08:58:33 AM new
Gravid,
>>That's why I have $400 radiation monitor on my desk<<
Good for you. Sorry about missing the sarcasm. I don't know who is who.
I remember TMI. I had my my car packed. I don't know where the hell I was going, but I was going. What was I then? 21? I did know that if I was Mick Jagger's girlfriend that I'd insist we skip the eclipse and go anywhere on THE OTHER SIDE of the equator, where I think the winds do keep to themselves.
But that's out.
Borillar (whose name always comes thru as Gorilla for some reason, nothing personal this time), I neglected to add I have a wee budget.
Next Missle Crisis--Fiji. What the hell?
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gravid
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posted on March 28, 2002 09:20:06 AM new
It is true there is limited mixing across from the northern to the southern hemisphere.
If there is ever a really large nuclear war it will really help keep the short half-life isotopes away from them. Assumiong there are limited nuclear naval engagements to the south.
Budgets are a problem for all of us. $400 is really not much to allow you detect what your senses can't. I am by no menas well to do. There are free - make it yourself radiation detectors but they are ackward and hard to carry.
Having a cash lump to go out of town and perhaps jepordizing your job to do so is also a difficult thing.
I assume you do something for a living that will transfer out of NY OK? One advantage - it is cheaper to live almost everywhere compared to NY NY.
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nycyn
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posted on March 28, 2002 09:37:04 AM new
>NYCYN from your opening line I must ask - are there people denying the towers came down??<
Gravid,
Funny! Probably in Afghanistan and thereabouts.
What they are denying is the air quality. (although they have been ever so slowly letting out that they were just a teeny-tiny bit off in their initial calculations--to the point of doing apartment swabs up to 5 miles away. (We live 1.25)
First place I hit was my kid's school. The sec'y came out, took kids names from parents, then brought the kids out. Not mine. "He's in the nurses office getting a treatment." (Being nebulized with albuterol, stage two in his asthma arsenal which he hadn't needed in maybe a year.)
Down at GZ there were handwritten signs: Danger--Asbestos Levels 5+ (whatever that means)--Wear Masks--"There's phosphorous poisons, blah, alah, etc., etc."
Then Guiliani---"The EPA has tested the area several times daily in several parts of the area for several days and the air quality is pefectly fine. Enjoy the weather. Get out and shop!"
Oh, and the signs for the workers "One replacement filter (respirator) per day." I made damn sure I told everybody and anybody "BS--you change it once an hour!" I hope they listened.
You know, same old gov't crap. Agent Orange redux.
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nycyn
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posted on March 28, 2002 09:52:40 AM new
>>I assume you do something for a living that will transfer out of NY OK? One advantage - it is cheaper to live almost everywhere compared to NY NY.<<
Yes. That is what I have to do. But first I want to narrow it down to areas, before I hit hotbot.
1) Gotta be fishing. (I'm old. I'm tired. I want to smile again. I want to veg out. I want a car with a rod in a trunk.) Lots of streams and rivers.
2) Clean air.
3) As few inbreds as possible.
4) Rural, non-suburban, reasonable distance from a city.
5) Cheap land and housing. Indoor plumbing.
6) Ratio of big, strong, brilliant, firm men to women ratio--10:4.
7) No secret underground radioactive waste or toxic dumps. (I mean that would really suck, ya know?)
8) For a person who considers anything under 70 degrees coat weather...
9) Good or private schools around.
10) Old fashioned stuff like treehouses and swimmimg holes; frogs.
Hopeless?
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gravid
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posted on March 28, 2002 01:53:24 PM new
How about near Tallahassee FL?
Fairly warm.
Off the main tourist routes.
There is always more services and work at a state capital, but still a small town.
Fairly large number of outsiders and military near town.
Close to gulf fishing - oysters
Real reasonable cost of living.
Beautiful barrier island beaches nearby.
Tax and legal advantages of Florida residence.
Down side.
Hurricanes
Closest MAJOR city is Atlanta.
Local governments rather high on corruption scale.
Some areas polluted from paper mills.
Home of the bluehaired insane driver.
[ edited by gravid on Mar 28, 2002 01:54 PM ]
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nycyn
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posted on March 29, 2002 06:47:50 AM new
Hm. Now I'm conflicted. I was thinking along the lines of Utah or Montana-moods and now I'm thinking, wait--east coast---- International airports! (Do you know it is easier for me to leave the country than to get to Jersey?) But then there'd be nowhere to fly to anymore. Hm. Anyway, about a month ago I saw a map of the states showing where nuke plants were located/concentrated--much like you see of those showing population density via nightime electric lights. Now I can't find it. Waaaaaaa! Area 51 x thousands...
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krs
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posted on March 29, 2002 07:23:35 AM new
Happy thoughts: http://www.tmia.com/sabter.html
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nycyn
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posted on March 29, 2002 08:41:18 AM new
Yup, the terrorism being perped upon us by our own gov't! What really got me moving was the announcement a few days ago that Indian Point, 33 miles from here, which puts us immediately in the Last Rites Zone (50 miles) is damaged enough to melt "50/50 within the next 20 years." Last night I got a call from a friend who lives four miles away from IP. (She just had part of her thyroid cut out.) She says the '16's were driving her nuts. It was funny (sorta) as I almost posted here last night that these "low-flying planes" grazing my roof were making me insane, especially since they announced a few days ago they were pulling back on the NYC F-16 patrols, which leaves only "very low flying planes" THAT loud. I'm babbling.
Gravid: To answer your question of some time back, about whether there are people who believe the towers didn't fall. That crack was related to a number of AW denizens who believe me to be guilty of *pretending* to live in NYC. 
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outoftheblue
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posted on March 31, 2002 12:50:13 PM new
>>"Where can a gal live out her final years fishing in peace and raising a kid?"<<
On an island in the middle of the Pacific or Atlantic. The only draw back is volcanos and hurricanes...
[ edited by outoftheblue on Mar 31, 2002 12:53 PM ]
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snowyegret
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posted on March 31, 2002 01:09:04 PM new
Sometimes both at the same time. We had a friend from Montserrat up during Marilyn, and she couldn't go home when they started flying again because Soufriere Hills blew.
No peace (or electricity) for a long time.
You have the right to an informed opinion
-Harlan Ellison
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nycyn
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posted on March 31, 2002 01:22:59 PM new
There's another part of this. The Kid says to me the other day: "Are there tornadoes in the country mommy." Maybe I can sell a hurricane or two.
When I was a kid in Brooklyn, I was deathly terrified of volcanoes. That's what TV did to me. There were only two things in the world to be frightened of (pre-aliens): lava and quicksand.
Shudder!
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gravid
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posted on March 31, 2002 01:37:05 PM new
just so the kid has not bought into the tree hugger thing and tries to climb on the first bear he sees for a ride.
I'm sure he knows all about NY street smarts but he may need some re-education on allegators, poison ivy, and wasp nests if you move to the boondocks.
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nycyn
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posted on March 31, 2002 01:37:58 PM new
Louisianna. How does Louisianna sound? Not every swimming hole holds 'gators, do they? Oh darn, thinking, now the West Nile Virus is down there and there's probably more skeeta's there than anywhere.
Thinking thinking thinking. (I should've married that supermarket magnate in Bermuda.) Thinking thinking thinking. (Oh the derm in Ohio truly WAS waaaay too uptight.) Thinking thinking thinking. (OK, so that editor wanted a woman he could obey--would've that been that difficult?) Thinking thinking thinking gets me drinking.
A centipede was happy quite
until a frog in fun said
Tell me, which leg comes after which?
This raised her mind to such a pitch
she lie distracted in a ditch
wondering how to run. (Author unknown)
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gravid
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posted on March 31, 2002 01:45:42 PM new
"editor wanted a woman he could obey"
Has me giggling myself silly.
Couldn't show him a little discipline?
Whip him into shape?
There was a family wanted a remote safe quiet place to live and after much research they went to the Falkland islands right before Argentina and England went to war over them.
They arrived just in time to be evacuated.
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nycyn
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posted on March 31, 2002 02:15:23 PM new
>>Has me giggling myself silly.
Couldn't show him a little discipline?
Whip him into shape?<<
Sometimes I think about doing it for the really big bucks but as dig as a ditch as I appear to be I couldn't pull that off for even five minutes. (Do not confuse that idiosyncracy with that I am fully capable of ripping you to shreds, you know, if I have to.)
And don't get me going on Mr. Baseball-Hat-Tasteless-Teeshirts-BeerGut-Jock-CarFixer who confided in me that he liked to dress up in maids outfits and clean his apartment. THAT one I just couldn't take at all. Maybe if he were a bit tidier and a little more petite?
Back to topic, please!
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gravid
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posted on March 31, 2002 04:54:52 PM new
Well OK but you should do a nice long thread on this topic sometime. Your dating life sounds interesting.
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nycyn
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posted on March 31, 2002 05:11:23 PM new
Nothing like dating with a pistol-wielding Master in the next room. Dang, if my dating life was so interesting, I'd at least be getting.........THESE AUCTIONS UP TONIGHT. But this cyber-psycho Bunny is sooooo tired.
What was the topic? Hm. Maybe I'll go work for the State Dept. At least we'd be evacuated first; right?
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