posted on April 23, 2004 01:37:57 AM new
I'm a believer already.
It's becoming a national joke now....a further erosion of his credibility.
His church leaders haven't been too thrilled with his going against his [so called] religious beliefs either. Some priests are refusing to give him communion because of his position on this issue.
Not that we should expect his religious convictions to really have any true meaning/value to him, especially when they stand in the way of his getting elected.
posted on April 23, 2004 02:49:35 AM new
Just more validation, no valid opposing candidate...
President Bush will be enjoying 4 more years, the American people are not thrilled with leaders who continually flip-flop...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
It's too bad that their blindness can't see they are killing more soldiers than President Bush ever has... Protest Loud and Proud! Your fellow taliban and insurgents are rejoicing at the support...
posted on April 23, 2004 02:44:31 PM new
It's not a flip flop and I truly hope that you actually recognize that and are just trying to be inflammatory as opposed to being completely blind to the difference between ones personal opinions and legal right.
John Kerry has said that he is PERSONALLY opposed to abortion but acknowledges and supports the LEGAL right for women to make that choice for themselves.
Is that really so hard to comprehend?
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on April 23, 2004 02:50:50 PM new
Kerry Affirms Support for Abortion Rights
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry delivered an unabashed defense of abortion rights on Friday just hours after a top Vatican cardinal said that priests must deny Communion to Catholic politicians who support abortion rights.
Several other Catholic politicians said they, too, had no intention of altering the way they practice their religion or their politics.
With hundreds of Catholic politicians in the United States supporting abortion rights, the trans-Atlantic counterpoint was only the latest sign that the issue promises to be a recurrent one on the U.S. campaign trail this year.
"I believe that in the year 2004 we deserve a president who understands that a stronger America is where women's rights are just that: rights, not political weapons to be used by politicians of this nation," Kerry declared at a rally with leaders of pro-choice groups that are mobilizing in Washington for a big march on Sunday. "We are going to have a change in leadership in this country to protect the right of choice,"
Speaking earlier from Vatican City, Cardinal Francis Arinze stopped short of saying whether it was right for Kerry to receive Communion, but said a Catholic politician who supports abortion rights "is not fit" to receive the Eucharist. U.S. bishops have discretion in deciding who should receive Communion, but the cardinal's comments could put more pressure on them to sanction Catholic politicians whose positions are at odds with church teachings.
Kerry says he personally opposes abortion but supports a woman's right to choose. He did not directly respond to Arinze's comments, but campaign spokesman David Wade said Kerry believes the separation of church and state "helped make religious affiliation a non-issue in American politics.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
posted on April 23, 2004 03:21:03 PM new
Oh please...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
It's too bad that their blindness can't see they are killing more soldiers than President Bush ever has... Protest Loud and Proud! Your fellow taliban and insurgents are rejoicing at the support...
posted on April 23, 2004 05:10:21 PM new
So he has to disavow his church becaus he supports upholding the law? I guess there is no seperation of churh and state in the republican party. Should the other 200 catholic politicians that have professed support for the law also give up their church or just the democrats?
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posted on April 23, 2004 06:30:39 PM newI guess there is no seperation of churh and state in the republican party.
That's just the point. To many in the radical right, there shouldn't be. As they say ad infinitum "this is a Christian country"...""the founders were all Christian."
And it's the point of Reamond's thread about the ultra right-wing Christian college whose students seem tobe favored as interns by right-wing politicians. They are being groomed to "change the world." To their worldview.
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posted on April 23, 2004 06:37:26 PM new
Personally, I admire someone in public office who can refrain from foisting his own personal beliefs onto others.
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posted on April 23, 2004 08:35:23 PM new
I heard today [so have no link - but it was on Fox News] that Bush got 50% of the Catholic vote in 2000....can't remember the % Gore got.
So maybe this issue WILL mean something to those who share the same faith and believe he's being a hyprocrite. Obviously his religious leaders think he is.
Kerry goes to church every week....that doesn't bother the left....but the fact that Bush speaks of his religion does....
Kerry quotes Bible scripture when it's to his political benefit...that doesn't bother the left....but it does when Bush does the same thing....
As long as he goes against the teachings of his own chosen church/religion and supports a cause they agree with....he's okay in their book.
posted on April 23, 2004 08:38:50 PM new
bunnicula, as a librarian, you probably know more than I about Catholicism, and I am an ex Catholic. Then he should not even attempt to receive Communion, for the Church see's this as a Sin. Not my rules, its the Vaticans rules. The Church (Roman Catholic) isn't like all the other Christian churches, as you know.
If they wanted to, they could excommuicate him. They excommunicated a couple communist leaders in the past. (not that it means anything to a non Catholic, but they believe it a big deal)
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posted on April 23, 2004 08:53:53 PM new
The only way to tell who got what religion's vote is by exit polls. The Catholic vote was almost evenly split. 50% voted for Gore, 47% for Bush, and the remaining 3 for Nader and others. There is no "Catholic vote", never has been, with the possible exception of Kennedy.
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