fenix03
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posted on September 3, 2004 04:48:34 PM new
I bet all those people are glad to know that AQ is the only relevent terrorist organization. God forbid the Chechnyans ever reach that status.
Hundreds dead, over 700 believed to be injured and what are we talking about? Gay congressmen and petty bitching.
And we wonder why this nation was so shocked when terrorism struck home.
Too bad our media has chosen to ignore so much of the relative things going on in our world today.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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Linda_K
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posted on September 3, 2004 05:01:10 PM new
Isn't this terrible? Heartbreaking. One short film clip I saw the soldiers had a little girl by the arm, almost dragging her to safety...while either her grandmother or elderly mother ran behind to safety.
Then another clip yesterday show a bunch of children, young to teens it looked to me, being brought out. They were wearing nothing but their underware.
Then talks of an explosion....oh God...what is wrong with these monsters to use young children to get what they want? So sick.
[ edited by Linda_K on Sep 3, 2004 05:03 PM ]
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Linda_K
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posted on September 3, 2004 06:38:24 PM new
Anyone else ever think that this may, one day, happen in our country?
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 3, 2004 06:49:41 PM new
What a terrible tragedy. I almost cried when I read about the mother who had to leave one child behind when she was released. How do you do it? How do you choose which child to leave behind? I don't think I could have done it. I would have chosen to stay behind with BOTH children. It's a sad statement as to how low the human race is willing to sink to get their point across. Harming innocent children without remorse or regret - there is no sinking lower after that.
Linda
There has been a lot of unrest in Russia for a long time. It can happen anywhere at anytime. It doesn't matter who is in office. There are evil people out there and hard as anyone may try, you cannot rid the world of this evil. It's been here for centuries and it will be here well after we are gone. Look back on history. As tragic as this whole thing is, it isn't the first time it's ever happened. It's gone on for centuries.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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Linda_K
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posted on September 3, 2004 06:55:45 PM new
cheryl - It doesn't matter who is in office.
Really? I don't believe I said that it did.
What's the matter with you tonight?
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Helenjw
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posted on September 3, 2004 07:41:13 PM new
"Anyone else ever think that this may, one day, happen in our country?"
Yes, it will happen again either here or somewhere. And when it happens let's hope that this tragedy will serve as an experience from which the world can learn how to negotiate a hostage crisis instead of using force which obviously doesn't work. The same thing happened a couple of years ago in a Russian theater.
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ebayauctionguy
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posted on September 3, 2004 08:10:09 PM new
What the Russians should do is issue everyone a gun. That would put a stop to future hostage problems.
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fenix03
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posted on September 3, 2004 09:08:54 PM new
Helen - the problems today did not start because of actions from outside the school. They started when groups of hostages attempted to escape.
The BBC coverage was much more in detailed than the coverage here including an interview with a young woman that has escaped that said that the hostage takers had suspended 8 bombs from the ceilng of the buiding where they were being held and others were wearing bomb vests. When the hostages attempted to escape it was the hostage takers that set off explosives, including at least one woman who blew herself up while standing among hostages. Once the explosions were heard by officials outside, they took action which I woulld hope any group in the same situation would do.
Russian officals has stated all along that they would not make the same mistake they made with the theater and hoped to be able to negotiate a successful end to the situaion.
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If it's really "common" sense, why do so few people actually have it?
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twig125silver
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posted on September 4, 2004 05:40:37 AM new
This is all so sad.....
terryann
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Helenjw
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posted on September 4, 2004 05:45:50 AM new
Fenix, Thanks for that correction - I made the mistake of getting the breaking news about this tragedy from "one" misleading article which led with, "The storming of the school resulted in more that 200 deaths". It went on to compare this tragedy with the theater massacre - blaming both on Russian forces not being able to handle a hostage situation.
Now, it's being reported on MSNBC that there were over a thousand hostages in the building!
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 4, 2004 06:19:12 AM new
Linda
If I implied that you said it matters who is in office, that was not my intention. My intention is that it doesn't matter who rules what country or what safeguards might be in place, it can happen anywhere at anytime.
Oh, you don't want to know the whole story of "what's the matter with you tonight". LOL! I'm having a problem with a poster on the EO board. IMO, fluffy is back incognito and she's baring her claws more that ever!!!! I did let her know that she doesn't intimidate me because if no one on the RT Board can, she has little chance. LOL!!!!!
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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Helenjw
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posted on September 4, 2004 07:07:15 AM new
Report from Latimes.
Russian authorities emphasized that they had not planned to storm the school and had been hoping to continue negotiations. But the situation spun out of control about 1 p.m., when a team arrived under an agreement with the hostage-takers to remove seven bodies that had lain in the courtyard since Wednesday.
"A blast came from inside the school just when rescuers were removing victims' bodies. Several more blasts closely followed in the heavily mined premises," said Valery Andreyev, head of the Federal Security Service in North Ossetia.
It is unclear what triggered the initial explosion. The leading theory is that one of the hostage-takers accidentally set off a booby trap, but some hostages suggested that an explosive fell off a basketball hoop in the gym. Others said a trip wire that had been taped to a wall was dislodged.
In any case, with many of the explosives electrically linked, the first blast set off at least one other, touching off a fire and causing the roof of the gym to collapse. About 30 hostages began leaping for the open windows to escape and their captors pursued them, shooting and battering them with their rifle butts.
The unexpected explosions and gunfire caused Russian commandos surrounding the school to open fire on the hostage-takers, and chaos ensued.
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desquirrel
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posted on September 4, 2004 07:36:36 AM new
The Russians should have called the UN.
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crowfarm
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posted on September 4, 2004 07:42:34 AM new
Linda says,"Then talks of an explosion....oh God...what is wrong with these monsters to use young children to get what they want? So sick. "
Yet, you approve of torturing children in Iraqi prisons.
Linda, your concern is quite hollow and totally phony.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 4, 2004 08:24:44 AM new
LOL - desquirrel
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that was not my intention
thank you, Cheryl, for making that more clear to me. 
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crowfarm
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posted on September 4, 2004 08:28:01 AM new
Another cheerful positive LOL from linda on dead children.
Sweet!
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Yellowstone
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posted on September 4, 2004 09:28:58 AM new
I see that Crowfarm hasn't put her rubber manure boots away yet, in fact it looks like they have steel toes on them now.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 4, 2004 09:34:50 AM new
Yesterdays news...but it does mention an AQ link.
Plus much of what these people went through.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040903/D84SFJS01.html
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logansdad
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posted on September 4, 2004 07:47:14 PM new
Anyone else ever think that this may, one day, happen in our country?
It already has happened but the terrorists are own children unless we forgot Columbine already. Columbine was just a smaller version of what happened in Russia.
Bush says: "The world is more peaceful and more free because of my leadership".
I wonder how Bush can say the world is more peaceful since he took office especially after an event like this.
Let's have a BBQ, Texas style, ROAST BUSH
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YOU CAN'T HAVE BULLSH** WITH OUT BUSH.
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We the people, in order to form a more perfect Union....
.....one Nation indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for ALL.
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desquirrel
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posted on September 4, 2004 08:47:14 PM new
"Columbine was just a smaller version of what happened in Russia."
Laughable.
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CBlev65252
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posted on September 5, 2004 05:07:42 AM new
desquirrel
I think logansdad is referring to the fact that terrorism against children is already happening or has happened here. What else would you call Columbine? It was terrorism. It could hardly be called anything else. The students were sending a message and they didn't care if they died in the process.
Terrorism: the unlawful use of force against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population or any segment thereof, in the furtherance of political or social objectives.
Sounds like Columbine to me.
Cheryl
. . .if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist- I really believe he is Antichrist- I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend.. . - War and Peace, Tolstoy
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desquirrel
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posted on September 5, 2004 11:13:11 AM new
No, it was 2 obnoxious spoiled brats trying to get their mommies' attention vs an organized political unit attempting to force concessions via the threat of heinous crimes.
A better analogy would be a wife shooting her husband fo the isurance money vs the SS shooting jews in the back of the head. Not the same, even if they use the same caliber gun.
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Linda_K
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posted on September 5, 2004 06:49:30 PM new
Here's an article written about another one of these 'sick' clerics. This one's living in the UK...and thinks it's okay to take women and children as hostages and if anything happens to them it will be Brittains fault.
And this could happen here as well. Don't fool yourselves. The more these clerics condone this type of behavior and won't renounce this type of hate speech....the more they encourage others to do the same. 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml
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Twelvepole
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posted on September 6, 2004 06:18:31 AM new
Islamist extremists are going to cause an end to islam as they know it... All good islamic people had best start helping in putting a stop to this or they too will be caught in the malestrom that is coming to the extremists...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
Re-Elect President Bush... the only true choice.
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