posted on November 1, 2004 07:53:16 PM new
Personally, I think that Kerry thumbed his nose at the Vietnam war before he even enlisted and at the time he enlisted he had absolutely no idea what it was all about. When he got there and saw just how serious it was he discovered damn quick that he could get himself killed real easilly. So he had to find a way to get out fast because he probably saw it as a huge mistake to join up in the first place. I can just see him telling his buddies, we got to get out of this place, if it's the last thing we ever do. And so he did find a fast way out through the recieving of purple hearts, 3 and you're out. However, he did have an agenda about enlisting.
This from the website linked at the end;
"Mr. Kerry, who criticized the fundamentals of American foreign policy as class orator at the 1966 Yale graduation exercises, said he joined the Navy and went to Vietnam because he wanted to study that policy first hand."
If Kerry was speaking out against American foreign policy in '66, was he also speaking out against the Vietnam War at that time? If so, it's fair to say that his subsequent tour of duty in Vietnam wasn't because of any feelings of patriotism toward his country. Instead, Mr. Kerry admits that he went to Vietnam as a student, with the goal in mind of studying the government's policy there. That being said, did he go to Vietnam in order to prove his anti-U.S. foreign policy/anti-war theory? After four months in Vietnam, he was able to have studied the war enough to procure three purple hearts, a silver star and a bronze star.
Personnaly, people can applaude John Kerry's Vietnam service all they want, but I have the distinct feeling that his enlistment and short-term service in 'Nam was a strategy he planned well in advance of going over there. If he indeed planned on studying the U.S. policy in Vietnam, he managed to stay there for about the same length of time as a college semester.
I'd sure like to see a complete copy of his 1966 oration to his graduating class at Yale. I found this article by Googling; "kerry's yale graduation speech" I did find only bits and pieces of his oration.
posted on November 1, 2004 08:07:42 PM new
See...kerry starts out lying....and hasn't stopped. [i]"Mr. Kerry, who criticized the fundamentals of American foreign policy as class orator at the 1966 Yale graduation exercises, said he joined the Navy and went to Vietnam because he wanted to study that policy first hand." LOL....he joined because his draft deferment was denied and he didn't want to be drafted into the Army. He wanted to be a commissioned officer.
But notice how long he's been against American policy.....since he graduated. This is he man that says he's an Internationalist. I worry too many don't know what that REALLY means. He doesn't think America's special. He once called our democracy a farce. He wants to appease other countries and NOT follow the dictate of how American voters feel or what THEY want. He's more interested in please other countries.
He should be running for President/PM of France....since he loves it so much.
We need a President who thinks we're the best....as does President Bush. He puts US first...not in line with all those UN countries who live by a different value system than we do. We need a President who's willing to defend this country....as President Bush has. One with guts to take our enemies on....not pretend they really don't mean us any harm we just need to get to know them better and be more sensitive to them. oh brother......
If America wanted the UN nations telling us what we can and can't do...we didn't need to fight for our freedom from the British. kerry will only give away our freedom to the corrupt UN nations. NOT what I want to see.
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"And they, the interrogator went through all of these statements from John Kerry. He starts pounding on the table. 'See here, this naval officer, he admits that you are a criminal.'" Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
- James H. Warner Former Vietnam POW
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"I will never submit America's national security to an international test. The use of troops to defend America must never be subject to a veto by countries like France. The President's job is not to take an international poll -- the President's job is to defend America." --President George W. Bush
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Most Americans wonder why we're wasting time debating John Kerry's military record from 35-years ago. In this dangerous time when the U.S. faces an enormous challenge in responding to a new world, comparable to that we faced post-World War II, we should instead be seriously debating the future and what is best to do now.
I am a Marine Vietnam veteran, with a 4-year old son who is my life. I hugged him and cried on 9/11, and worry daily what the world will be that he enters. Who will lead him, and to what purpose, and at what costs? That is what we should be considering in this presidential year.
Senators Dole and McCain, who endured enormous suffering in previous wars, appeal to put the past behind us. So, why does Kerry's old record elicit such passions?
Unfortunately, while almost all Vietnam vets put Vietnam behind us, went on to build our lives, and are not activists, John Kerry chose to make his time in service the centerpiece of his campaign. Most Americans think this is a trivial issue. It's as if John Kerry's relatively minor credentials as a junior officer for a short time in Vietnam combat are all he can point to as his credentials for leading the most powerful nation on earth in the current challenges. No one should deny the valor of this service. But, is that what the American people and the citizens of the world should be focused on for the man who will significantly affect our lives and the lives of our children? John Kerry chose to create this election battlefield. So, he must answer for it, and be willing to face the music he wrote about himself.
Thirty-three years ago, I organized the Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace in reaction to Kerry's organization Vietnam Veterans Against the War. John O'Neill and others joined me, and with the support of tens of thousands of Vietnam veterans, we rebutted Kerry's charges that we were all war criminals. Literally, no one was defending us, many Americans were discouraged by the charges, and we young Vietnam veterans were suffering horribly from discrimination in our efforts to get on with our lives.
Thirty-three years later, the surprise emergence of John Kerry as candidate and his centerpiecing of his Vietnam service stirred many Vietnam veterans to reclaim the image and honor that Kerry besmirched. We knew better. John Kerry continued the past 33-years to consistently misrepresent his activities and the calumny he brought upon us. That led to an enormous groundswell among now middle-aged Vietnam veterans, emerging from every walk of non-political life that we had individually built, to set the record straight.
It is well documented that most of the claims made by Kerry and his Vietnam Veterans Against the War were fraudulent, none of his anti-war vets were willing to provide evidence, and many of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War members had not served in Vietnam. We now know that the true leadership of the vets against was extreme radicals, directed by a Vietnam vet impersonator. Yet, John Kerry has never apologized. Youthful excess and zeal is one thing. Mature hypocrisy is another.
But, clinching the need for our public stand for the Kerry truth is his deceptive pride in it, fouling the perception of us among a new generation of citizens, maybe my son, that enrages so many of us. In April 2001, Kerry wrote that, "We returned home to an America that was indifferent, even hostile. There were no parades, only nightmares. Veterans were spat upon, called baby-killers…" Yet, he continues to not apologize for his leading role in creating just that hostile atmosphere or exploiting it now. Indeed, in a disturbing pattern, only in March 2004 after exposure by those who served with him did Kerry's current National Coordinator of Veterans for John Kerry admit that his own published charge of atrocities is false.
We are not Republican stooges, as Kerry accuses any who oppose him. The proportion of Democrat vets is similar to the general population. We are simply pissed off and, once again, we are forced to stand up for ourselves, by ourselves, and yearn to fade back into our hard-built peaceful lives. We merely ask that America demand honesty of John Kerry, honest consideration of who has really demonstrated the public integrity to lead us, and hope for meaningful debate over our challenging future. Getting the staged uniforms out of his campaign commercials immediately would be the first critical step. Shame on us all Americans if we do not unite to demand this.
Bruce N. Kesler
Sergeant, USMC
Vietnam 1969-70
Founder, Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace
posted on November 1, 2004 09:59:23 PM new A pure BS supposition about a combat war hero.FOR THE N VIETNAMESE Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on November 2, 2004 04:25:25 AM new
Reamond, may I repeat your post, it was so well said, no supposition, just facts.
""A pure BS supposition about a combat war hero.
But I'm curious why you don't do a critical analysis of Bush Vietnam war record ?
He was a military deserter and a coward and never went near combat.
I am simply amazed at these "patriots" who lionize a coward like Bush and then slander a combat hero like Kerry.
These "patriots" must really hate our service men and women now serving in combat.""
It probably won't keep the bloodthirsty neonazicons from appointing bush again so war can continue forever but it's good to know there are some truly decent people in America.
posted on November 2, 2004 07:11:03 AM new
One thing that I feel is important to point out is that never have any of us Conservative Republicans refered to GWB as a hero but the NEONAZILIBERAL DEMO-COMMY-TAX-OCRATS constantly spout off about Kerry's so called heroism. Kerry a combat war hero, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is so darn funny, everytime I hear it it makes me laugh so hard that I wanna puke. Oh, and he's a decorated war hero too, (say that last line in your best PeeWee Herman voice) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
posted on November 2, 2004 11:22:42 AM newI am simply amazed at these "patriots" who lionize a coward like Bush and then slander a combat hero like Kerry.
Isn't slander when documentation exists showing kerry to be a commie sympathizer, after all his photo is displayed Hanoi as a Hero for the VC cause Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
posted on November 2, 2004 02:23:44 PM newshowing kerry to be a commie sympathizer
Yeah with an M-16 blazing at them while Bush was AWOL from a NG unit which he should have never gotten into, and all to avoid combat.
Bush even said his hiding out in the NG was better than going to Canada or shooting off their finger.
Kerry was brave both on the battlefield and at home in taking on Nixon and the Vietnam war.
Bush the coward was against the Vietnam war but being the weasel he is acts like he was all for it and the men who served in Vietnam.
There will be consequences for all these liars and less than human creeps who have slandered Kerry's combat record. What comes around, goes around, and they will regret it.
posted on November 2, 2004 03:19:28 PM newYeah with an M-16 blazing at them By his own admission "Shot and killed a (as in ONE) previously wounded" VC in the back while the VC was running away. (That by itself was a war crime).
Another document
ties Kerry to Hanoi
3rd Vietnamese communist paper discovered in archive
Posted: October 28, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
A third, newly discovered Vietnamese war document presents further indication Hanoi orchestrated John Kerry's promotion of the communist regime's 1971 plan calling for virtual U.S. surrender.
As WorldNetDaily reported Tuesday, two documents found in a U.S. archive over the weekend provide the first concrete evidence that Vietnamese communists were directing Kerry's antiwar group Vietnam Veterans Against the War.
Doc 1
Doc 2
Now, a third document [pdf file] http://tinyurl.com/6xu6w
provides more context, showing that Kerry's July 22, 1971, press conference calling on President Nixon to accept the seven-point plan presented by Viet Cong leader Madame Nguyen Thi Binh was perfectly aligned with Hanoi's step-by-step agenda.
"If you look at the sequence of events, it would certainly seem Kerry was following a plan and was not just simply acting spontaneously," said Jerome Corsi, a specialist on the Vietnam-era antiwar movement and co-author of "Unfit for Command," the best-seller challenging Kerry's qualification to lead the nation.
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There will be consequences for all these liars and less than human creeps who have slandered Kerry's combat record. What comes around, goes around, and they will regret it.
Look at Reamond making verbal threats against those who have brought the true facts against kerry to show the LIAR he is. Sounds like Reamond is planning to retaliate, thats illegal too.
Hey, hey Ho, ho Kerry - sign the 1-8-0
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The person who has nothing for which he is willing
to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
--John Stuart Mill
[ edited by Bear1949 on Nov 2, 2004 03:21 PM ]
[ edited by Bear1949 on Nov 2, 2004 03:30 PM ]
Excerpt from "Stolen Honor"
Oh, and he's a decorated war hero too, (say that last line in your best PeeWee Herman voice) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. 
