rustygumbo
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posted on November 6, 2004 03:48:01 PM new
Dems and other liberals, read up. There still may be a challenge and recount across America, and you can be the one to make it happen.
Apparently, many concerns were raised about exit polls in areas where electronic voting machines (aka black box voting) was conducted. In New Hamphire, fraud has been discovered. It appears that 5 to 15% of the votes conducted by these machines are skewed towards George Bush. It may have not been so obvious if these exit polls showed consistently accurate in areas that paper voting was conducted, and inaccurate where electronic voting machines were used.
I heard about this challenge on Air America yesterday during our drive from Portland to Seattle and back. It seems that Ralph Nader, who appears prime to make another heroic challenge for the people of America. If NH recounts and investigates these irregularities, there is a very good chance there could be a recount done in up to 34 other states. It could possibly show that George W. Bush in fact lost the election, and could also bring the Republican Party to its knees. Proof positive of tampering by Republican Party supporters and contributors such as many on Diebold's Board of Directors and CEO could cast a very dark shadow on this election.
It is up to you. There are two important actions you can take.
1) Fax Ralph Nader to encourage him to challenge the results. His fax number is 202-265-0092 and all you need to do is write a simple message of, "RALPH --
Challenge the election results in New Hampshire, Now.
Your Name,
Black Box Voting Activist"
2) Those who feel or question that the results are or could possibly be inaccurate are encourage to contribute a minimal amount of money ($5 to 10 bucks a person helps alot) to a non-profit, non-partisan 501c3 organization called, Black Box Voting (www.blackboxvoting.org). Because this organization is a non-profit and is non-partisan, all contributions are tax deductable. This organization is working to use the Freedom of Information Act to review the outcome of this election.
Article:
Nader/Camejo Challenge Electronic Voting Results in New Hampshire
Washington, DC:The Nader/Camejo campaign has filed a challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire after receiving numerous complaints from voting rights activits. Below is Nader's letter to New Hampshire requesting a recount. Also, below is Nader's view on electronic voting without a paper trial. In addition, the Nader/Camejo campaign offered our campaign to poll watchers who wanted to be credentialed to be inside to monitor electronic voting. Hundreds of democracy activists in Maryland working with TrueVoteMD.org were credentialed to monitor polling through the Populist Party which was created by Nader-Camejo supporters in Maryland.
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November 5, 2004
Via fax: 603-271-6316
To The Secretary of State of New Hampshire:
The Nader/Camejo campaign requests a hand recount of the ballots in the presidential election in New Hampshire. Numerous voting rights activists have requested that we seek a recount of this vote.
We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire. These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected. Problems in these electronic voting machines and optical scanners are being reported in machines in a variety of states.
We are requesting that the state undertake this recount or a statistically significant sample audit of these vote counts.
We would like to make sure every vote counts and is counted accurately.
Sincerely,
Ralph Nader
Important sites to review:
www.ralphnader.com
www.blackboxvoting.org
www.therandirhodesshow.com
www.airamericaradio.com
[ edited by rustygumbo on Nov 6, 2004 03:53 PM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on November 6, 2004 04:18:24 PM new
Rusty, I'm in your corner but, ya know, the WORLD knew how faulty the Diebold machines were and not enough people cared.
The head of Diebold publically told bush he could give him Ohio, which he did.
Good for Ralph but he's fighting too much money, greed, evilness, and power of the "christian" right.
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shagmidmod
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posted on November 6, 2004 04:25:08 PM new
[ edited by shagmidmod on Nov 6, 2004 04:25 PM ]
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rustygumbo
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posted on November 6, 2004 04:26:25 PM new
crow- don't give in just yet. keep in mind, even if Bush keeps his office, which will more than like be the outcome no matter what, the point here is to not let this happen, and continue to happen. Apathy is the inaction that leads to complacency.
If you cannot afford or don't care to contribute money you should at least send Ralph a fax to encourage this. If he know enough of us are there supporting him, then we may have a chance to prove the Republicans are what we expect they are... cheaters. And when the next election roles around, no one will be willing to put up with this kind of fraud.
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replaymedia
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posted on November 6, 2004 04:41:30 PM new
Where in Ohio were these electronic machines? Here in Dayon, I had the ancient stick-a-pin-through-the-hole kinda card, just like 20 years ago.
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Libra63
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:18:18 PM new
I will tell you one think if Kerry had won I would not come into to this board and cry foul like all of you had. I am only speaking for myself as I feel that what the majority of the Americans want is what I will take.
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Libra63
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:19:56 PM new
In our area we had the toggle machines. They never fail.....I think they have been around for years also.
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rustygumbo
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:27:18 PM new
The point is that the election exit polls are only skewed where these electronic voting machines are located. Here is a link to a website that shows some of the states and how skewed these are.
http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/todays_show.html
Some still show Kerry the winner in blue states, but the point is how many votes were counted as wrong? America should want the truth, and if fraud has been found in these machines, then they should be investigated.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:33:44 PM new
Libra says one think, " will tell you one think if Kerry had won I would not come into to this board and cry foul like all of you had. I am only speaking for myself as I feel that what the majority of the Americans want is what I will take."
YOU would, libra, roll over like a well trained dog. But others are not so cowardly. I will not change my values or character to sink to the level of george bush.
Just because so many people were stupid doesn't mean I should be, too. But you're perfect for the part, so sheep like.
BAA for now!
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:33:58 PM new
The exit polls has kerry winning... so are you saying they were cheating in his favor...
That is all it could be...
I wonder if kerry had won, would we be hearing about this? I think not... but hey everyone needs a windmill...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND... 
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:40:42 PM new
Twelve says, "The exit polls has kerry winning... so are you saying they were cheating in his favor... "
No, stupid, when the exit polls (that's when people are leaving, twelve) say that Kerry is winning but the vote count shows bush winning it makes it look like there is some form of discrepancy.
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Twelvepole
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:42:49 PM new
No sh!t... and it has been talked about since the election how the exit polls... wanted the public to think kerry was winning so maybe they would not come out and vote after all...
Exit polls are a media stunt... nothing to do with the republican party...
AIN'T LIFE GRAND...
Bigotry and prejudice -- these are assertions, not arguments. This is name-calling, not case-building.
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dadofstickboy
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:50:57 PM new
Did you ever stop to think, maybe just maybe the people exiting just said Kerry to avoid conflict?
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Libra63
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posted on November 6, 2004 05:53:51 PM new
You know crowfarm I thought you had given up that childish thinG about spelling but since you can't get me on anything else you use that silly nonsense.
I for one am sick and tired of all the crap that you accuse people of. All you are is a atheist who follows the leader of Madeline Murry O'Hair, who is dead. Even her son denounced his mother.
Maybe if you lose another 9% of your salary you will be off to Canada and I will say don't let the door hit you on the way out. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 6, 2004 06:02:23 PM new
Libra's score in missing the point and not addressing a post....100%
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Libra63
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posted on November 6, 2004 09:36:30 PM new
So what. Just read the rest of the threads and you will see the same thing. i.e. Women and Breast Cancer is a good one. I tried to start a nice thread but it well to the dogs fast.
I did read the black box or what ever it is and all I read was a white disgruntled reporter married to an african american with a broken toilet and can't afford to get it fixed. Hit that PayPal button and donate so she can repair her house. I hope she has a good treasurer who keeps good books so she can explain where all the donations are going to.
Oh and by the way Crowfarm "christian" right. What's with that.
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kiara
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posted on November 6, 2004 11:54:51 PM new
[ edited by kiara on Nov 7, 2004 04:45 AM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 05:10:41 AM new
Libra what the hell are you talking about.........read your statement in the light of day and let me know if you think a rational person wrote it...........
"" did read the black box or what ever it is and all I read was a white disgruntled reporter married to an african american with a broken toilet and can't afford to get it fixed. Hit that PayPal button and donate so she can repair her house. I hope she has a good treasurer who keeps good books so she can explain where all the donations are going to. ""
Libra, what are you on?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Libra63
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posted on November 7, 2004 08:31:16 AM new
Good Morning Crowfarm I see you got up on the wrong side of the bed...
Answer mine first crowfarm... and I am not missing the point. When you come in and correct me I have a right to answer. Your comment was not addressing the point.
Oh and by the way Crowfarm "christian" right. What's with that.
I think you better read what you wrote.....
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bootclan
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posted on November 7, 2004 08:46:16 AM new
Seems as though crowface is more "testy" than normal. Could it be that she is wearing thin from a long line of incorrect predictions. I guess if I had her recent "track record" I would hate the world also.
HA HA HA HA
[ edited by bootclan on Nov 7, 2004 08:48 AM ]
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 08:56:34 AM new
Oh, Libra, oh wise one who can avoid the issue by "seeing" the mood of someone through a computer screen.......if you don't know what "christian " and right mean why don't you look them up in a dictionary....that's a big book with lots of words in it.
Can you explain,
""" did read the black box or what ever it is and all I read was a white disgruntled reporter married to an african american with a broken toilet and can't afford to get it fixed. Hit that PayPal button and donate so she can repair her house. I hope she has a good treasurer who keeps good books so she can explain where all the donations are going to. ""
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 08:57:31 AM new
bootlick, what predictions?
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bootclan
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posted on November 7, 2004 09:17:36 AM new
Wow crowface, now your memory is gone also!
Sorry I can not help you.
You might want to seek help from your nearest mental health facility
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 09:42:51 AM new
Well, bootlick, seems YOU can't remember either.
You said something about my predictions and when I ask you about it you can't answer which proves your post was a lie.
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bootclan
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posted on November 7, 2004 09:50:58 AM new
crowface - do not drive to the nearest mental health facility as you are a risk to others as well as yourself.
Your diagnosis will be this:
You are NUTS!!
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 10:10:19 AM new
bootlick, you have none.
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bootclan
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posted on November 7, 2004 10:15:43 AM new
crowface - your next intelligent post will be your first.
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crowfarm
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posted on November 7, 2004 10:39:44 AM new
bootlick, I hold out no such hope for you.
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bootclan
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posted on November 7, 2004 10:44:14 AM new
Seems as though I have got in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
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maggiemuggins
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posted on November 7, 2004 11:13:41 AM new
Bootlick...put all your wits in one hand and sh!t in the other and see which one fills up first..Maggie
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